Biggest 10 needs in '09
 

1. RDE (no pass rush whatsoever)
2. RT (McIntsuck gives it up at least 3/4 times every game)
3. MLB (wanna buy someone who can tackle!!)
4. LDE (Hali should be a backup)
5. OLB (wanna buy someone who can tackle)
6. QB (thiggy looks good but ....... )
7. Center (Niswanger just can't seem to get any push at all)
8. CB (Flowers is hasty,Carr is a viable nickle, we need an athletic #1 guy)
9. Safety (Morgan? McGraw? geesh ... we need a stud back there)
10. RG/DT a tie ... we still need more talent in our interior lines


opinions?

RT 2nd really?

If this team used a 1st round pick on a RT I'd lose my mind.

If this team had even an average front 7, they win at least 3 of the last four games.

I think we have bigger needs than replacing Hali right now. Niswanger is another player we can get away with without replacing this year. Carr isn't a nickle, thats why Flowers used to play nickle when we went to that when Surtain started. I wouldn't give up on Morgan yet either, hes only a rookie...

You would think that someone with as many posts as you would know a thing or two about football and rookies. Just because they don't look great their rookie years doesn't mean they wont emerge in another year or two like most other football players do.

You're stretching. He didn't say use a first round pick on a RT and you can;t deny we have a gaping hole on the right side of our line.

Sure but we have other more important positions with worse players at them.

The three biggest needs are DE, MLB and RT.

From there it's OLB, RG, C, and CB.

:clap:

More important positions, yes. Worse players? That's debatable. Other than RE and probably MLB, I don't see where we have a worse player than McIntosh.

Remember when last year everybody said we needed to get about 2-3 new starters for the O-line?

Carl & Herm essentially didn't address that outside of Albert in the draft and here with the same thing and it sucks.

Center, probably RG & RT could all use replacements.

did i say we should take a RT with our 1st round pick?

please .... don't start with you twisted,bullshit analysis of how if it's our 2nd need and all the RDE are gone then that means i think we should take a RT

you always yell about not drafting for need yet your gonna bring this bullshit up



i didn't say that, dumbass

but the biggest need on defense is RDE and the biggest need on offense is RT.

but it doesn't mean you bypass all draft slotting to take the need

Don't forget about Waters.

Unless we want to go through another Wille Roaf situation.

Other than Albert, there's not one guy on the OL you can COUNT on for 2009.

And that's coming from a fan of Herb Taylor.

you could of just said you agreed with me :D

No doubt.

so he says the bascially the same thing as i do ... you applaud him and give me this
*cough*****you*cough*

I agree with all of this except for the defensive secondary. I think we are set in the back of our defense. We need 1 maybe 2 DE's.

Brian Orakpo

Brandon Spikes

Trevor Canfield

you know ...... **** you guys LMAO

dane said almost exactly the same thing as me, you bastards.

Laz ---- Dane
1. RDE - DE
2. RT - MLB
3. MLB - RT
4. LDE - OLB
5. OLB - RG
6. QB - C
7. Center - CB
8. CB
9. Safety
10. RG/DT

I think it's ****ING AWESOME that after drafting a safety damned near every year in the 3rd round or above we STILL DON'T HAVE ANY ****ING LEGIT PROBOWL ****ING PLAYERS AT THE ****ING POSITION!

AWESOME!

Morgan will be good. His health has affected his growth this season but he will be a good one.

I'll bet you my avatar for a year we draft a safety in the first four rounds.

1. DE (L or R)
2. LB (Outside/Mike)
3. RT (I would like someone to be picked up and have them compete with Herb for the starting spot)
4. RG (Jones plays at about the same level at G as did Welbourne, post roids suspension)
5. C (I like Niswanger but he is too tall to play C and gets no push off the line because of it. He is a smart guy, going to be a doctor post NFL, maybe he can try at G?)
6. K (I've been saying this all year. If there is a sure thing at K available when we pick in the 3rd or 4th round... we better damn well take him)
7. S ( I'm just not convinced that Page & Pollard are gonna pan out. Get another safety and let the 4 of them fight it out)
8. CB (Carr and Flowers have shown loads of promise. still, we are in need of a nickle and I would not mind getting someone who could possibly even fight for a starting spot. 3 way competition and let them sort it out as to who starts)
9. LS
10. Special Team Players (I would love for the Chiefs to pick up a couple of guys... even if they are "specialists")

Damn good thing. Too bad he's too small to take Pollard's spot. Pollard's play makes me cringe. He can't tackle aguy 1 on 1 unless it's right after aguy catches a ball, and doesn't see him coming, and sometimes he can't even pull that off(see Eddie Royal)

Can we draft Taylor Mays now?

1. QB
2. head coach
3. defensive coordinator
4. DE (two, probably)
5. RT
6. MLB
7. RG
8. OLB
9. Safety
10. RB

Milkman and I discussed that option that Taylor should be given a shot as a center.

The Chiefs biggest needs next season will be DE and MLB.
Nothing in the cupboard there. No one to evaluate.

Right Guard and Right Tackle fall right behind those two spots, but...
We have a couple young guys there we must assess before the year's out.

The next 7 games this coaching staff needs to evaluate Richardson and Taylor on the Right Side of that line. See what they have. It's possible that they could fill in well at RG/RT. It is an absolute priority for this team to see what they have at those two spots. That will make our off-season program easier to figure out come the opening of the Free Agency period.

You know they won't do that so you might aswell not even ask.

If Herb Taylor is a RT then RG becomes a bigger need that RT.

A RG that can run block....

Yeah we need a safety, but worse than a pass rusher, or MLB?......please.

I'm trying my best to stay positive about this football team.
The three biggest jobs for this coaching staff the rest of the year is to keep a close eye on Thigpen's progress to determine if he's their starter next year and to evaluate Richardson and Taylor.

If I can identify that as a priority for this football team...
They have to know this is vital to having a successful off-season program.

Please Herm...
Put Richardson and Taylor on the field the rest of the way and see what these players have. If they don't have it in them... We'll know it and have to identify a RG/RT in the draft and FA.

I was being kind of a smartass but it depends what pick we have and who the other players are.

Spending a top 5 pick on a safety...brilliant.

Upgrades at certain positions will have to wait.
Niswanger needs to get another year. We can't afford to add Center to our list of needs for next year. Same thing with Safety. Say what you will about Pollard and Page, but they do make plays. And you invested a pick in Morgan. I think Safety can wait too. Would be nice to add another Corner, but I would want a veteran guy in the mix. Carr and Flowers are my starters next year.

I make exceptions for very very rare players....

FYP

Spending a top 5 pick on a safety who isn't a playmaker or gamechanger is silly.

If you really play that I favor USC players card you don't pay much attention.

And I've explained to you 52 times why Mays doesn't have 10 INT's. Do you have a thick skull?

At this point, while I'd like to test players on the o-line, the #1 priority is to get Thigpen out of this season alive. The o-line needs improvement, but they're playing well enough to keep Thigpen on his feet.

I don't see any value in Richardson and i'm surprised so many keep pushing for him to start. The Chiefs have been quick to play young players. If he's not on the field, I guarantee it's because he's not very good. Says a lot when the Chiefs are willing to switch our emergency backup LT to RT because they don't trust Richardson.

The good news is, we've cut down our priority list significantly. We went into the season with 13 immediate needs, and I think we'll end up the season with about 5 (only 3 of them being desperate needs--MLB, RDE, and at least one very good right-side o-lineman). The rest of our needs are secondary--we could use upgrades in those areas, but it's not going to break our football team if we don't.

I know what you said. But you can only justify taking very very rare safety prospects that high, players like Sean Taylor who have the physcial potential but also the ability to have game changing impact on the game. Taylor Mays is big and fast, but he's not worth a top 10 pick.

Considering who coaches this team, that might be the single dumbest thing ever said on this forum.

I don't think safety is nearly as much of a priority.

As I've always said, safeties are the players hurt the most when your front 7 doesn't do their job. When you don't have a pass rush, your safeties have to guard a lot more field. When you don't fill in your gaps, then safeties (who are supposed to be the last line of defense) end up becoming the first line of defense.

I agree. Safety is a secondary need. I think that our safeties would improve markedly if our front 7 did their job.

Sean Taylor also had a hard time adapting because he was a reerun that knew nothing of scheme discipline and just freelanced...

Every single SC player gets this knock "oh why do his stats suck" because it's the best god damn defense in college football and they all play their assignments and have discipline.

Hell the USC defense might be better than the Chiefs defense is.

I have to disagree.

If we are gonna be a team that wants to close out close games and can actually convert at 3rd & 1. I want the ability to run up the middle to get the 1st and run out the clock at the end of the game.

Niswanger simply does not provide any sort of consistent push in run blocking and does not inspire any confidence in pass blocking.

In a cover 2 scheme...your safeties have immense pressure on them...especially in todays game with pass catching TE's everywhere and teams constantly in 3 wide.

NEIN!:cuss:

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9951/gtfo12zb1.jpg

Add to the list new coaching staff, new front office, and new owner. I am not particular what order they come! :cuss:

LOL, I wonder what'll happen when he's a superstar and people look back at this...

The Chiefs have started Carr and Flowers over Surtain, Albert over McIntosh, cut Sams and Novak, demoted Devard Darling, demoted Alfonso Boone, they're testing out both Savage and Robinson at returner, pushed Napoleon Harris out for Pat Thomas, pushed Edwards and Reed out for Tank and Dorsey.

Not all of those moves panned out. But you pretty much have no argument if you're suggesting that the Chiefs haven't given lots of opportunities for young players to win jobs, and haven't pushed players who underachieve out of the starting lineup (when there's a halfway adequate replacement for him).

Richardson isn't starting because he's not very good. If you think that's dumb, perhaps you should ask why a left tackle from a big-time football program fell all the way to the 6th round. There are 31 other teams that agree that the guy isn't very good.

I'd love a superstar.

But we always draft the Molly Shannon type and not the Polamalu type...

That's true, but you can't do it without any help. The safeties have a lot of field to cover as is. It doesn't help when a QB has all day for WRs to explode deep and it doesn't help when the safeties are doing the job that the front 7 should be doing.

Well they also refuse to play Herb Taylor....

I think the Chiefs refuse to play anyone else on the line because they seem to think the same guys playing together is more important than benching a dude for blowing.

Mays will never be a superstar. And then you'll probably make embarrassing excuses for him and his "scheme discipline," too.

How many times have you seen Mays play...honest question.

At Clemson? He was a LT there.

Ah cool, why don't you argue with me about the Hali Cromartie thing some more too and tell me how wrong I was...

None.

Honest answer.

You were right. I thought he played RG at Clemson, but when I looked it up after I made the post, I found out that I was wrong, so that's why I tried to withdraw my previous comment.

That may be so, but they're rotating him in for snaps at RT. Richardson isn't even sniffing the field. There's probably a reason for that.

Sean Taylor also ended being one of the best safeties in the league before he died. He was playing superbly his last year.

Yet, he was right about Woodson, where you did believe Woodson was a 1st round player.

Just sayin....

Well he's 6'3, 230lbs...and runs a 4.3.....he's been starting at SC since his true freshman season.

Holy $#it I agree with you.

You advocating moving Herb to RT?

I mean, not a real risk there, honestly. Herb can suck for a lot less a year...

I think its obvious, with a top 5 pick we will not take a RT, C or G nor does it make sense to take an LB that high. The best QB should go to the lions so we will,or should I say better, grab a DE with our 1st pick. After that O line is the top priority,

You win some you lose some......atleast I didn't say Woodson was a WR like that one dude did.

Cromartie is so awesome that he's being outplayed by Quentin Jammer and rookie Antoine Cason. He's an athletic dude, but he still can't cover anyone.

How is this an argument? Cromartie was gone. For 50 billionth time.

How many games do you think the Chiefs are going to win...when I say Taylor Mays that's more of a tongue in cheek smartass post I think he'll be a great player but that becomes more of an option if the Chiefs **** around and end up picking 7th.

I'm advocating moving Herb Taylor to C.

Well, I can't comment on his ability to produce at the next level. I know nothing about the guy.

I can say Carl is going nowhere. Herm is going nowhere. Thum is going nowhere.

2 of those 3 have sucked butt drafting safeties for around a decade.

At this point I'd just prefer to not draft one because that's more likely than replacing them with someone who can...

Did you miss those days when people tried to say Hali was actually better than him?

Damn.

For a minute there....almost.

Also SC runs a hybrid cover 2 so he already understands the principles of the defense the Chiefs run.

In the unlikely event of a trade back disregaurd my last post. FWIW I think they will win 2 more.

Well, Rudy at 6'4" is too tall to be a C, and I'm not too overly impressed with him at the C position. I think he can play the G position w/o any trouble.

Taylor, on the other hand, is a idealistic C. In order to be a solid center, one must have leverage. Rudy didn't have much leverage, but Taylor has shown great leverage during his time at the RT position.

And I don't see Taylor as a "protypical" RT type of a player.

So we're gonna pick like 6th.

LBs and Safeties are often taken in that range if they are an exceptional talent. The Packers don't regret for a second taking AJ Hawk, and in hindsight, Jerod Mayo and Patrick Willis are both top 5 calibre--I'm sure there are lots of teams that really regret not valuing those guys higher.

You don't take a LB that high only because he's the best in his class, but you do if you think he's going to be a difference-maker.

Exactly.

Christ, we're talking about a coach that was going to start an 800 year old Eddie Kennison and a guy who's out of the league over Dwayne Bowe from Day One last year.

Thank God Kennison got hurt, or Bowe may have rarely seen the field.

Unfortunately, McIntosh has somehow stayed healthy this year - that seems to be the only way Taylor is going to see any time at RT, where he belongs - for now.

The last 6 games should be played like preseason. Get these guys some work and evaluate for 2009. McIntosh and Jones/Smith bring nothing to this OL, other than sacks and 3 yard losses.

That is a really interesting thought.

It's doable, as the Chiefs can move Wade Smith to center, Niswanger at guard, and Taylor to RT.

I think because of how many QBs they've already killed, that they're going to try not to tinker too much with the line as it is right now. Unfortunately.

You won't get a whole lot of argument with me about that which is why I will bring up Mays I think he's rare and not a typical safety.

Last week you said he ran in the low 4.4s.

Let me tell you about this fish i caught.