Chan Gailey is the only coach who deserves a job next year
 

It's taken Herm and Gunther three seasons to fix the defense, and they aren't even close to getting there.

It took Gailey one offseason, a few shit games and suddenly our offense is respectable despite an inaccurate n00b at QB, a terrible right tackle and a wide receiver corps that's held together with spit and baling wire.

Does anyone else find it ironic that we've been trying to fix the defense for years, it was made out to be some huge ordeal, and Gailey essentially fixes the offense in a fraction of the time?

Makes Gunther's speeches about "changing the culture" sound like a load of bullshit. Gailey's innovation over the last month has been refreshing. Obviously, I still think the spread is a gimmick, and we need a new quarterback to run a real offense, but I have NO DOUBT when that piece is in place, Gailey is the right guy to go about running it. The pistol today was also a neat little wrinkle.

Anyway, Gailey is awesome.

Hmm.... I wasn't aware that the last 4 games that Thigpen is a inaccurate n00b.

Please advise.

Well, he thought Brodie Croyle was good. That should tell you something about his evaluation abilities.

Brodie Croyle is good. He just can't stay healthy.

Gailey's not "awesome".

Repeated calling LJ's number on the goal line instead of either spreading the offense with Charles in at feature back OR calling play action on the goal line was stupid.

Stupid.

didn't you see that interception?

No, he thought Damon Huard was good. I should also point out that he thought Devard Darling was good as well.

No. He isn't good. Tyler Thigpen is.

Says you.

And only you.

Eh, I ain't gonn worry about the INT, considering the play before should had been whistled for a PF late hit on the QB. So I'm not gonna consider that INT as his fault anyways.

Well, I didn't say he was perfect. But we really haven't seen this level of innovation since Vermeil came here, and hell, even that offense was mostly based around the pure dominating talent we possessed.

I'm not surprised Gailey isn't a part of the Marty tree, y'know?

Yeah it was terrible coaching that made it so Wallace Gilberry, Jason Babin, Rocky Boiman, Weston Dacus, Brandon Carr, Maurice Leggett, and Ricardo Colclough couldn't stop the #1 offense in the NFL.

I regret not paying for this top-notch analysis.

Dane, Brodie can flat out throw the football. He's a good player. He played well this year in camp, in preseason, and in the regular season. He just can't stay healthy. It's sad.

Are you actually defending Gunther? Or his pathetic head coach who has lost 18 of 19 ****ing games? We're talking about an epic level of failure that is RARELY seen in the NFL. I suppose you think we're headed in the right direction now since we're "competing."

Yes, Brodie can throw the ball. In addition to not being able to stay healthy, I am not sure he showed the calm and quick decision-making Thigpen is showing.

I'm in the minority, but I'd like to keep Brodie as a backup next year, but Thigpen is the starter, unless somehow we draft Stafford, which is doubtful.

If we go into camp with Breakie Frayle and Tyler Thigpick as our top two quarterbacks the staff is insane.

By the way, there's no question in my mind that if such a scenario were to occur, Croyle would win the job outright.

One magical night.

Did he let you lick his ass?

Personally, if Thigpen plays like he has the last 4 games throughout the season, he does deserve the QB job in the 09 season. And as for the back-up QB, I'd just release Brokie Croyle, and if Stafford is not there when the Chiefs are picking, I'd pick a QB in the 2nd round, since we'll be picking high in the 2nd round anyways.

And of course, either Gray or a FA veteran to be brought in as well.

Maybe you and Hootie can convince Huard too stick around another year.

I respectfully disagree. We haven't seen enough of Brodie Croyle this year to evaluate him.

He played well during the regular season? WTF? For what, like 2 quarters?

Croyle's one of those guys who shows promise but when it comes to the big stage, he can't deliver.

If the Chiefs coaches keep him next year (regardless of whether or not it's Herm or a new staff altogether), they should be summarily lined up against a wall and shot.

Period.

Huard's done. I thought he was done in training camp. I was right.

What was his excuse last year? How about the year before?

Yeah, you were right.
You figured it out long after almost everyone else did.

Congratulations.

Your and idiot.

Exactly. The man tried, he failed. Time to move on.

Thiggy=QBOTF

Will somebody please ban this douchebag, again. Brodie Croyle is good, shit, in your dreams. Maybe you just have a hard on for Croyle just like you have a hard on for LJ. Tyler Thigpen is a better QB, and in his 2nd year he has done better than Croyle, look what Croyle did in his 2nd year, what 6 TD and 6 INTS.

Here are the Comparisons :

Brodie Croyle
2006 - 3 for 7, 23 yards, 2 Ints, 11.9 QB Rating
2007 - 127 for 224, 1227 yards, 6 TDS, 6 Ints, 69.9 QB Rating

Tyler Thigpen
2007 - 2 for 6, 41 yards, 1 Int, 18.7 QB Rating
2008 - 123 for 230, 1337 yards, 10 TDS, 5 Ints, 76.3 QB Rating

So overall, who has been the better QB thus far, huh Claythan ?

not even the same system, for a more accurate comparison you should look at how thigpen played before we started spreading it out vs. croyles stats

Comparing the shit offense that Croyle was forced to work with last year to the one Thigpen is working with this year is completely illogical.

While true, the argument could be said that if Croyle did play the same offense that Thigpen did play, Croyle would have been easily snapped in half. And the shotgun does expose the QB to the D-linemen more often than not, because of the fact that he's already back there, and roughly D-Linemen will have their ears pinned back and going after him.

Hell must have frozen over.

little Roy just made a cogent point.

You talking about something illogical is hilarious.

I dont care if its not the same system or not, point is that Brodie Croyle did not get the job done, he had his chance, now its time to pass the keys over to Thiggy, and lets just see how he does from here on out.

Brodie Croyle's days as a Chief are history. Period. If he has any chance left to be a Chief it'll be to keep him around as a backup. Period.

agreed. Playing your old ways (Herm) cost you a TD

In the regular season? WTF? He didn't even last a full game, combined. We have no idea how he would have performed in the regular season. Based on last year, it wasn't real good.

Thigpen, over the last 4 games, has shown to be light years ahead of Croyle, the practice field All-Pro.

Ah yes a Gunther excuse for every year he sucks right...

This defense sucked balls when all the starters were playing, they have a bunch of high picks on the line oh and not to mention Pollard who Gunther loved, the guy has 0 ability to judge players.

If Gailey was so awesome, the Chiefs would have started the season running this type of offense instead of trying to run behind a line that can't open holes and trying to drop back and pass behind a line that couldn't protect.

Changing things up for the third-string QB because you already got the first two guys killed is not a sign of genius. It's a sign that you don't have any other options. And what's hilarious is that if you're talking about Herm, people will point that out all day long. But then the exact same people line up to teabag Gailey.

There are those that would argue that Herman ****ing Edwards cuffed him, and didn't allow him to open up until he got desperate.

In the end, I don't really give a rat's ass.

When the flushing is done, if he gets flushed with te rest of the turds, I ain't going to cry about it.

This defense has been nothing but average at best (and that's being generous for 5 years under Gun's watch).

Can you blame it on players? No. He's had 9 first day picks in that time, he was given a blank check (he decided on Surtain, Bell, Knight, Hall)
Can you blame it on the head coach? No. He's served under 2 (Vermeil/Herm)
Can you blame it on the assistants? Maybe on the D-line. But he blamed Don Blackmon for poor coaching and had him canned, and now he's doing even WORSE than Blackmon
Can you blame it on him being in the booth? That's been covered--he's failed both on the booth and on the sidelines


This is a man who has blamed everyone and everything for his shortcomings, from his assistants, to his head coach, to the players underneath him. This is a man who has moved in and out of the booth because he thinks that's affecting his ability to coach. And while we can blame players, I've seen the coach on the other side of the ball, Chan Gailey, get significant improvement from a 6th round pick QB, a patchwork o-line, 4th string RBs because he designed a scheme that fits the players' talents.

The excuses are over. The good news is, hopefully the addition of JOhn Bunting as defensive consultant is a pretty strong signal that Gun's days are numbered.

I actually wholeheartedly agree with a Chiefzilla post. Wow.

WTF
did those stats come from

Except for the Bunting part, because that implies that he's fine with Herman ****ing Edwards as the HC (which, of course we know that he is).

I'm dreaming of a giant enema at Arrowhead.

Lets not give Thigpen the keys to the castle yet...

last I checked neither Crodie Boyle nor Thigpen has won an NFL game as a starter yet.

Although, Thigpen is looking pretty damn good out there.

Gun will positively not be back next year. Unless he moves down to linebackers coach, which knowing Gun, he may.

**** that. He needs to go. Love the fire, hate everything else.

This TEAM needs an enema!

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milkman won't get this joke, because he doesn't watch movies. skip towne won't be able to see this writing, because he needs new bifocals

You know where I stand on that. I do think Herm is on the blame chain. Right now, I have it at:

#1) Carl Peterson
#2) Carl Peterson
#3) Gunther Cunningham
#4) Carl Peterson
#5) Herm Edwards

I just think Peterson and Gun were big problems well before Herm rolled into town. That's not to say Herm isn't to blame, but I think he's a much smaller problem than those two guys. Like I've always said, I'm fine with Herm in 2009, but I really, really hope he has a very, very short leash in 2009.

Our LBs have gotten really bad under his watch. Time to cut him loose entirely.

People can say that about the playcalling all they want. But about the offense in general, it's a moot point. Was Georgia Tech out there running the spread in Gailey's six some years on campus? It's not like this kind of offense is what he does.

He deserves credit for doing a good job of adapting to it. But adapting at a point when he had no real choice and didn't have much to lose isn't a reason to hold him up for praise.

Do Gun or Herm really KNOW anything? It seems they are strictly motivational speakers.

They really are motivational speakers.

Everytime they open thier mouths, I get the urge to kill.

Gailey sucks as much as Goon. He flat out sucks , Herm sucks, Carl sucks, Gun sucks, Clark sucks, everything sucks.

Successfully masking talent deficiencies is nothing to scoff at. This is the best 4-game stretch for the offense since the Vermeil era.

I'm pretty much on boards.

Herm can go to the CFL
and coach the icebacks

Come on. There's no way Herm would have allowed that. Imagine this conversation.

Herm: So, Chan, I hear you like to run the ball. Do you play to do that here?

Chan: No, Herm. I've reviewed our personnel and don't think they're suited for that type of offense. We need to spread out the defense, become a pass-first offense and use the running game as a complement. We'll be in the shotgun a lot, a lot of throws on first down. Larry Johnson will have to come off the field a lot because he's not really suited for this kind of offense.

Herm: Thanks for coming, Chan. We'll be in touch. Carl, can you get me Paul Hackett on speed dial?

You're forgetting the Damon Huard era...

Are you Eric Draven or wtf just happened?

Croyle was playing good. Ws just made of glass.

Gailey has always been a run-first, throw-second guy. None of his QBs in the NFL have ever thrown for over 3,500 yards.

I've said this 1,000 times. The Gailey hiring clearly illustrates everything that is wrong with Carl Peterson. Gailey was hired the right way--there was an open audition, lots of candidates interviewed, and the best candidate was chosen. Carl Peterson has a history of refusing to interview anyone outside of his network (that includes: Herm, Gun, Solari, Vermeil, Gun again).

I have to think that the hiring of Gailey shows that Peterson isn't in as much control as he used to be. It must have been killing him to know that someone outside of his network was being interviewed for a coordinator position.

Yeah that whole 2 quarters was great

Remember that scene in the Matrix where Neo sees the black cat?

Croyle wasn't playing good. Croyle hasn't been good in KC, ever.

Unlike you and Hootie, some of us could see what a fluke Huard's "success" was. Throwing up ducks against the pathetic NFC West, and Gonzo or Kennison making circus catches. I am not sure I've ever seen such a lucky streak by a quarterback. Thigpen is making the throws, and has no support from the running game.

Croyle wouldn't last 2 plays in this offense, and he couldn't run it anyway.

When Huard was firing lasers it was like Camelot...Arrowhead was full, Larry was dominating and I believed in Herm...if only we could have signed Huard when he was in his prime...we could have had a dynasty. Dammit Carl!

The Chiefs DID sign Huard when he was in his prime

wow ..... goatboy just got his azz kicked by roy jr.


how embarrazzkin'

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Exactly.

and Hutard couldn't either.... Bootleg is not his in his skill set.

Chan has done a decent job the last month .. hopefully he'll be kept around ...

Yes I am trying, thanks for bringing it up....:cuss:

well, I agree that Gailey has been awesome but the LT play has been great and he has Tony Gonzalez, Dwayne Bowe, Mark Bradley, Brad Cottam, Larry Johnson and Jamaal Charles to work with...with a mobile QB who is perfect for Chan's new awesome...

I agree though, I want Chan back next year....100%.

That's true, but the conversation assumes Gailey recognized the need for any of those changes. What I'm saying is that I'm aware of nothing to support that idea.

The guy was on the job for 9 months before the first game of the season. Is there any point where it looked like he thought the offensive line wasn't cut out to run the offense he designed? He was running the same offense before Croyle got hurt, after Croyle got hurt, and after Croyle came back. Even if he secretly knew it would be a disaster and was waiting to have the evidence to convince Herm that they needed to change, wouldn't he have been able to make a pretty good case by week 2 or 3?

Let's also not forget that Gailey and his opinions on offensive linemen were a big part of the offseason decision making. Every time talk would rise up about a FA lineman, we'd hear how he didn't fit Gailey's "profile" or whatever. By not saying "Holy Christ, Carl, get me anybody but these bunch of stiffs", he was tacitly endorsing the group of guys we had here.

Gailey has done a great job of designing an offense to fit Thigpen's talents. And it also fits the offensive line's talent (or lack thereof). But it took half the season for him to do that, when that very issue... designing an offense around the players, not forcing players to fit into an offense... was one of the main items he talked about when he got the job. An offense is as only good as the offensive line, and he spent half the season having the line playing in a scheme they could hardly execute.

I think I remember Gun saying awhile back hes wanted to get our DB coach Gibbs on the staff for awhile but they wouldn't bring him in or something like that...

Tyler Thigpick?

You do realize that he went 120+ throws without an INT, right?