I hate John Gruden!
 

I know he is one of the most promising young coaches in the NFL, but I if I see this cocky bastard jumping up and down in the middle of arrowhead one more time I will break my TV!!!:mad:

He is going to make it that much sweeter when we actually win a game against the Raiders...Though it may be along time.

No Class.

I'll take him as coach of the Chiefs anytime.

Dax - Would have been fun to toss him a ball at the time and let Willis take him out as well.

lol

No matter how cocky he may be or seem, the Raiders won

I tried to get a Gruuuuuuuu den taunt going in the stands, but it didn't really get past the few people in our section. Then the PA started playing loud music and there was no way it was gonna catch on.

Wish I could have seen some of y'all. I was sitting in Row 126 to the left of the Chiefs. Good seats - - nice weather

When other teams win, they're coaches act like they were supposed to win...

Gruden jumps up and down like a teenager. Barring everything else I feel about the guy, I think it's unprofessional...

I remember Marcus Allen once saying that he thought all the celebrating after a touchdown was bogus. He said, "When I take it to the house, I hand the ball to the official. I want people to know that I was only doing my job. I meant to score."

I agree that Gruden shows a real lack of class with his celebrating, at times. And, yes, I readily admit that he is a great young coach...but still.

I have NO problem with a coach pumping his fist or throwing his hands up in excitment. But, to dance all over the field, jumping up and down, looking foolish for all of what seemd like five minutes is going a little overboard.

And what's more...he did it TWICE! He went nuts after Janakowski made his game-winning field goal, but that wasn't enough. He had to do it AGAIN when Trent threw the ball downfield with seconds left, resulting in an interception.

Annoying.

Whose the toughest team that Oakland has to play? Do they play the Chargers? I just want someone to beat 'em, like they stole money from the bank

Ethyln - The play the Chargers tiwce and the Donx twice, both teams want to kill them and last season the Donx swept them and the Chargers came darn close to beating them with no offense at all.

Okay - The Raiders have always been the "Bad Boyz" of Football. But Darn It - I want someone to blitz the stuffing out of Gannon. How many intentional grounding calls did he not get. Our defense could have stopped that last drive, when Tim Brown caught that pass.

There are many if's, but we're just gonna have to play better. Listen at me saying we, when I don't step foot on the football field.

Ethelyn - It is all part of being a fan, when you want the team to win so bad that it feels like your part of it.

Morphius
Realtes with the "we" and wants Gannon hurt badly.

The thought of Chucky Gruden dancing like a ferry on arrowhead stadium instantly pisses me off!! The Chiefs had better when in Oakland or I will lose it.

Hate? Naw...
 

I hear you. Maybe that's his motivation.

I think Gruden is the type of guy you only like if he is on your side. I like my head coaches to be a little more reserved and dignified. HOWEVER, if he coaches KC...I love him. (Well, like him a lot anyway)

it is irritating
 

But the more I think about it, it's really a compliment. Beating the Chiefs at Arrowhead IS a big deal. If he really thought we sucked, I don't think he would be celebrating. These victories mean something to him. And rightfully so.

That sounds like jealousy.

Gruden is a very good coach. Beat him, and you wont see the obnoxious dance. Things changed in Oakland when he came on board (it helps that they took Gannon from the Chiefs and gave them Chester and Gunter). Thats the kind of guy the Chiefs need. A diciple from a successful program (Green Bay). Steve Marucci, Andy Reid, Mike Sherman, and Jon Gruden were all coaches under Holmgren in Green Bay. All have winning attitudes, all know what it takes, all are young. Gruden turned Oakland around, Ried has turned Philly around, Marucci has rebuilt the 49ers, and Sherman is 10-7 since he took over Green Bay.

Sherman going 10-7 didn't prove anything except maybe that he is no Ray Rhodes...

What the hell are you talking about! I started the thread by saying he might be one of the best young coaches in the NFL.

I could've been jealous if we still had Gunther and no sense of direction, but Vermeil is a proven coach. He has done it not once, but twice! (How many rings has Gruden gotten as a head coach?).

Even if Gruden turns out to be better in the long run, I prefer Vermeil with the situation we are in right now. We don't have much time to turn the franchise around, so we needed the best, and Vermeil has proven to be the best at turning franchises around in short periods of time.

Let's see what happens when the Raiders fall short of the superbowl again, and Mr. Al "Nuts" Davis goes berserk against Gruden, will see if he can handle the pressure! We might see him jumping like a freak again, but into the bay. :)

I never said he was a bad coach, but his behavior is just dumb, and arrogant. Maybe, like some people said, if he was on our side I might look at him different. Maybe Dick Vermeil might try the jumping thing after each win, but I am afraid he may break a hip or something. :)

Yea, jealousy that the Chiefs dont have him. As far as Vermeil, he would be a great coaching choice for the Chiefs if he were 15 years younger.
You said he is the Chiefs best choice because the Chiefs "dont have much time to turn the franchise around". Are the Chiefs in jeopardy of moving? Why is this so urgent?? I seriously doubt the Chiefs are turning anything around while Dick Vermeil is here. The Chiefs need draft picks. And the top two draft picks were used on a backup QB and Vermeil himself. Thats not the most efficient way to build a winner.

Ken,

Check out how many draft picks DV had when he took over Philly. And that was before free agency when the draft was even more critical. I foresee you bringing DVs age into this so please include Marv Levys turnaround in Buf. when you do.

God, since Ken guaranteed me that I don't have to monitor him anymore, I put him on ignore.

The only time I have to deal with him now is if someone complains...

Blond,

I am not saying Vermeil doesnt have a great track record. He does. But I doubt he will be able to turn this team around before he is 70 years old. They just dont have any young talent. Gonzalez is great. I hear how Edwards is great too, but I just dont see it. Given Carl Peterson's draft record, and his record of pssing away draft picks, AND his recrd of letting productive players walk for nothing (Gannon, Grbac, Horn), I just dont see a Chiefs team challenging for a ring under him. You and I both know he will be here as long as he wants. Hes not going anywhere as long as the seats are full.

Marv Levy had incredible talent at Buffalo. Can Vermeil get the same type of talent? I dont think so. Not with Peterson.

I would have loved to have seen the Chiefs player that knocked out Biekert go lay a good one on Gruden at the end of the game. I think that pretty much tells you how I feel.

PF...I would agree that taking Chester off Oakland's hands was a mistake...but not Gunther...he was hired as our DC and our D was pretty solid under his tutelage (not to mention..fun to watch)...hiring Gunther later as the head coach was the mistake (at least with what he ultimately was surrounded with anyway)...

I can't stand Gruden either and it has nothing to do with jealousy...I just can't stand his mug period...no real reason...other than the little "Hitler jig" he has taken to performing when they beat us...emotion is one thing...(ie pumping your fist, hugging players, slapping high fives, etc.)...running down the sideline like a little leaguer who got his first hit just strikes me as plain bush league...but of course it will just be sweeter watching him go postal when we do beat him, and things will turn eventually...even our 90's dominance over greasy Al turned when it seemed it never would...

Payback is a bit#h!

Htmsque,

I never "guaranteed" you anything. Quit the BSing. If there is one thing that wont change, its my candor. If you do have me on Coward, I mean Ignore, thats good for me and the rest of the board.

BTW, I thought it was your "job" to monitor the board?? Did you get fired again?

Dont talk out of both sides of your mouth. There are to many smart people here that will call you on it.

Va Chief,

Gunter's defenses in Oakland stunk. He had some players here in KC. He blitzed the hell out of teams and it worked. But you have to have personnel to do it and the Chiefs did. His hiring as the DC ultimately led to his hiring as HC. Both were bad moves, IMO.

Snore
 

Donnie once again led with 10 tackles, and recovered the forced fumble by Patton.

On another note, I once again want to toot John Browning's horn, with six tackles, because of all the talk of a weak interior line. Hicks and Clemons? Sacks? Tackles?

Gannon? Wasn't he a career backup? QB's like him can be had for free every day.

Grbac? Productive? What difference does that make when it's all about wins and losses. You did say that didn't you?

Horn? OK, you got one right.

Pack,

Now you are comparing GMs. As a coach who recognizes, develops, and wins with the talent he is provided Vermiel is every bit the head coach Gruden is and Chiefs fans have no reason to be jealous. Our coach is as good as he is and he has proven it as recently as 2 years ago. Your point about the Holmgren tree is valid though Holmgren is really a branch of the Bill Walsh tree.

Who was the youngest coach to win the SB? I'd also wonder what the average age is for SB coaches over the last 35 years?

PF...He was instrumental in changing schemes to fit the Chief's personnel (including focusing on more agressive play, and speed)...maybe I miss interpreted, but it seemed "he blitzed the hell out of teams" was used as an excuse for the success he had as DC...isn't taking advantage of your personnel strengths a sign of a doing a good job of coaching?

His success may have led to his hiring as head coach...but I don't think we go 13-3 and one holding call away from beating the eventual Super Bowl champs with Dave Adolph as DC...I understand the logic you are using...I just don't think it is fair to say it was wrong to bring Gunther here as DC...his eventual hiring as head coach should not factor into whether the initial move was a poor one...