810 vs 610 on Thigy
 

So this afternoon I am driving around and I hear KK going off abou tThigy not being the man and such. Ok, commercial comes so I flip to 610. On 610 they are arguing that Thigy deserves a shot and pointing out the stats pre and post Thigy and such.

You almost wonder if they plan this shit? Anyhow, if KK is so staunch in his opposition of Thigy then I say we definitely need to give Thigy a shot.

So this seems it will be the ongoing argument over the next several weeks. Some people are going to be very pissed off come draft time when we make our first selection.

Why?

Herm's ass is outta here.

We will draft a REAL QB. He will put Thigpen to shame in camp.

Kill yourself.

Someone needs to tell 610 that Carl is gone, and they need to stop sucking up to the Chiefs.

Why would we not want pigpen and his mid 50's fourth quarter QB rating?

KK is being a smart ass about Thigpen....

9 of the 12 remaining in the playoffs this year are all 1st round picks...

I can't stand KK, but I'm almost to the point where I can't listen to Neal anymore. "Do you think Tyler Thigpen is the man, yes or no? Give us a call."
"Um, I think he's the man, cause he runs around."
"No, he's never gonna be an NFL QB"
repeat 50 times
Same thing with Herm. "Should Herm be fired, yes or no? Give us a call."
For 4 hours, come on.
I know today is different because there's an expectaion that Herm could be fired but Neal's topics for discussion are so limited. When you listen to shows in other markets people can call in and discuss a variety of topics: baseball, NBA, other football teams in other cities. But for some reason in KC it's "This segment we're talking strictly about ___." It gets tedious.

Thigy has a better TD-INT ratio than both Rothlisberger and Delhome. Is Thigy a Manning? Probably not. Do we need a line to protect whoever is the QB more than a new QB? Hell yes! Do we need a defense to keep the lead Thigy or other QB's hand them? Hell yes!

Will we win a superbowl with Thiggy pen?

With our defense we aren't going to win shit. If Dilfer can win a SB Thigy can. A 1st round QB is nice if he has a team around him to protect him and keep the leads. Right now all we will do is get the guy hurt and be running out our 2nd and 3rd string guys every game.

You realize both Carolina and the Steelers have a running game and solid defenses. I do not know how a QB, no matter how good he is, is going to win anything without either a solid running game and a solid defense to support him?

I tried to listen to KK a few min ago, and my god. How does he get that job? He's horrible. I had to turn it off. He's a douche to anyone that doesnt really agree with him, then when they dont, he goes, thanks for the call and cuts them completely off. lol I heard him say, if Stafford is gone you draft Bradford at number 3! You dont get scared, but you just pull the trigger. lol

Anyways, i rather just watch espn over listening to his ass and i hate ESPN now days.

What round was Trent Dilfer Drafted in? Hint he was drafted in 1994 by Tampa Bay...

chosing between keeping Neal or Marty was a losing proposition
they still chose the wrong one
Neal "I want to be controversial" Jones sucks mucho ass

Agree to a point.... And its okay to disagree....

Yeah, Neal Jones is a fuqtard, no doubt about that. Not that KK is any better...

But it's too risky. There's only a ~50% chance you'll get a Pro Bowl QB with your top five pick.

TYLER THIGPENS QB RATING IS LOWER THAN JAMARCUS RUSSELL'S!!!

Jeebuz folks, what more needs to be said? His line is better than Oaklands, his offense was better suited for passing than Oakland's, his WRs are better than Oaklands and still JaMarcus Russell had a better season.

JAMARCUS. RUSSELL.

Scared money don't make money.

And the Chiefs of the '90s show that the inverse is true, as well.

We should just trade down and take a tackle.

What a frigging disaster they are. Seriously. They're worse than the Lions.

:clap: That's funny because you nailed it.

He does do that crap a lot.

I kinda like Chris & Cowboy's show on 610 from 9-11. Their arguments seem to make more sense to me.

I'm not a huge fan of KK but I agree with him on his Thigpen and drafting a QB thing.

I assume you wil say 1st round. But I would hardly say he was the proverbial 1st round type once he played in the NFL. But I could say, what round was Brady drafted in?

It's playing the odds 16 of the last 29 QB's to win a bowl are 1st rounder...6 of the 13 that aren't are accounted for by 2 players.

It's basically a 99% chance that a 1st round pick will win the the bowl this year upping the number again.

I hate to pile on but Neal Jones is a homer deluxe and not very insightful, when it comes to sports.

The Chiefs made the mistake of letting Carl dictate that Grbac started instead of Gannon in the playoffs. Otherwise we could of won. Hell even with Bono if the damn kicker makes 2 FG's we win. It can be argued both ways, for sure. But I think if we stick a top rated QB in our offense right now we are going to see our 2nd and 3rd string QB's anyway.

Too many nightmares of our line allowing Huard to get sacked as soon as he took the snap.

I don't disagree. But odds are just that. I am not saying to ink Thigy as the starter. Just give him a fair shot in the offseason to compete.

You know why Carl wouldn't draft a QB high right? Picks like that if they don't work out get people fired, he played it safe and then talked up the fear of it so people would buy into it.

The same #1 pick Jamarcus Russel?

Then how come Thiggy is still standing? That's an awful big assumption. I would think the Chiefs will lean towards FA and the draft, to assure themselves that money man gets protected, so they can develop their guy.

Cause we changed to the spread. Which I have argued from day 1, has helped the O-line more than Thigy.

Did you see LJ getting tackled as soon as he got the handoff yesterday? That was from under center. Our offensive line cannot block for an under center style of offense. What makes you think they can?

Yes.

Nobody has ever said that a #1 pick is a surefire winner. However, the odds are much better for those guys than they are later picks.

Additionally, JaMarcus Russell was a first rounder because Al Davis is a moron. Russell was no better than a high 2nd rounder based on his actual ability. Combine that with his 2 cent head and evident disregard for actually learning how to play NFL football and you have a 5th round pick.

And he outperformed Tyler Thigpen.

Just sayin'

Have you seen the last few raider games? He played pretty well. He was complete crap for half the season though. WE will see what he has next year as it would be his 3rd year.

Oh yeah, they also have a running game and dont have to rely on only passing. We do.

The same JaMarcus Russell that every makes fun of constantly? The same as everyone made fun of Vick....

Funny how things change so fast.

Depends who is everybody. I dont usually make fun of other players. Not my style. Even if they suck, they are still getting paid alot. So they did something right.

Jamarcus Russell should be made fun of. He's a number one pick who has sucked.

Again...I would think the Chiefs will lean towards FA and the draft, to assure themselves that money man gets protected.

Granted the O-line was less than stellar this year, but I can't say for certain, that a rookie would automatically be injured like you imply.

JaMarcus Russell playing better than the QB of our team and the Raiders having a better record should put all of his in perspective for the some who don't seem to see it.

In the words of Chiefsplanet "hes basically a rookie!"

He's the reason we're picking #3 in the first instead of #2. He absolutely gave us the Oakland game.

That was about a month ago.

There is no favorable comparisons to be made when the other side of the 'V.' is JaMarcus Russell.

Shouldn't he, and shouldn't they?

Compare him to the good QBs taken lately and get back to me.

I don't even like JaMarcus Russell but when the team that we have all made fun of a million times dumbass fat QB is better than ours that puts perspective on this.

I would agree, if Jamarcus was actually winning games for them. He's not. Its their running game. We have none. Thats not Tylers fault. Hell, we havent had a solid running game in 2 years. Raiders are winning because of their running game and their defense isnt 31st in the league.

I dont give a **** if Tyler is the starter or not next year. Thats not for me to decide, the coaches and Gm will take care of all of that, but saying the Raiders have a better record because of their QB is just stupid.

With the very slight difference that the Chiefs didn't piss away a NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK on theirs.

The Raiders are playing the way Herm Edwards said he wanted the Chiefs to play....it's really bizarre to be honest.

I think anyone, rookie or otherwise, will get inured with this line if we go under center. Our entire right side cannot block for an under center offense.

They ended their season on a positive note no doubt. Thats what i wanted to see from the Chiefs, but we collapsed. I said i just want to see the team win a few games at the end of the season and for the team to be getting better. It didnt happen. We showed only flashes at time, but then after them flashes HUGE HUGE mistakes. Its like they take 1 step forward then go right back to where they were.

Anyways, We will see what happens.

I don't agree with that plenty of guys take hits and don't get hurt...the Chiefs just happen to have injury prone QB's...cmon Croyle and Huard?

You didn't win a Super Bowl with Trent green, Joe Montana, Warren Moon... Defences, kids. If you have a defence that can make stops and your offense puts up points on a consistent basis and your coaches aren't frickin morons, you win. Period.

After the past few weeks I'm for a QB, Stafford or Bradford would be great.

This.

How many games do we have to play with getting one 1st down in a half before you realize our O-line cannot block for an under center style O?

How many times prior to the spread were we in 3rd and 8+ as opposed to 3rd and less than 5?

Our O-line simply cannot block for an under center offense. They needed the spread worse than Thigpen did, imo.

That's way to simplistic it requires a mix, you aren't gonna win the bowl with a great defense and a game manager offense either, reference the Chiefs 90s for that.

I seen a few times where it took Thigpen a few seconds to collect himself before he got up. He's much tougher then Broken Croyle or Damon Huard, but even the best QB's in the league can get hurt. Our oline just increases the chances big time.

I thing that pisses me off is that when we run the ball, last year and this year, is when the RB gets the ball, there is already 1-3 defenders that are already penetrated into our backfield. It happens so many times, i sit there and am like wow. WTF seriously. Then i see the other team on 3rd and 1 or 4 and one fall forward for 4 yards. lol

Its embarrassing.

That means you think the Chiefs have some of the worst talent in the history of the game then because even 0-16 Detroit lined up normally.

Tell that to Baltimore or Pittsburgh.

JaMarcus - V Young - M Vick -T Jackson
may open the black QB debate again
how's the Redskins QB doing

Well, considering we just had the worst team in Chiefs history.......:hmmm:

Ravens, Steelers and Buc's did it. They did have first round QB's, but Dilfer was already a bust. Brad Johnson was about 36 years old and been passed around, both guys were just game managers. Steelers were mostly a ground and pound offense as well and Ben was in his what 2nd year?

All 3 teams QB's were game managers though.

Do you realize how good Baltimore's defense was? Also do you really want to build to be the 1 and done team?

After 40 years, if the Chiefs could do it next year, i think 99 percent of the fan base will love it.

I would like to get the 1 before we worry about the done.

QFT

I'll give those teams credit for taking advantage of the situations they were in. But right now it's gonna be hard to do that because there are great QB's there every year.

The chiefs lined up in the spread and didn't take the collar; what's your point?

The Chiefs talent at the skill positions isn't AWFUL; the entire right side of the o-line couldn't block a sea turtle in the middle of the desert.

The entire premise of the spread is to try to use a scheme to even out talent when you are less talented because in college usually even the best teams don't go 4 and 5 deep at CB, in the NFL it let the Chiefs not get blown out but didn't net them any great results.

I know, our 32nd ranked defense had nothing to do with blowin 2+ score leads in the last minute of games.

It didn't net them any results because they had an awful defence! Unless you want Tony G lining up at LB and D-bowe playing safety with Albert clogging up the middle, allowing dorsey to move over to left end, the blame for a lack of wins falls squarely on the defence's shoulders.

What I told you last week, happened again this week when the defense gives up less points the offense is worse...it's the entire team being bad not just one side.

I agree with KK 100% on this

Yep, Mecca never acknowledges defenses. Only offense and if you can score on the last drive of the game. He doesnt care if the Defense is ranked 31st or not. I just dont get it at times. Defense defense defense. Defense just cant be corrected overnight as he thinks. We been trying for going on 9 years now.

Yea Tyler Thigpen is the worst 4th quarter QB in the NFL...the Chiefs offense in the 2nd halfs in general was complete garbage.

Explain to me why they could only score 30 points when the other team had 38 or 50? So then when the other teams got 22 or 16 they could only muster 20 or say 6.

It's called the entire team being bad.

Don't let the stupidity of the Chiefs fool you here, fixing a defense is much easier than finding a top QB and building an offense especially when you are at the square 1 point the Chiefs are.

So fix the aspect of the team that was the most god-awful. Look, if you have a car with two flat tires and a windshield wiper motor that doesn't work, what are you going to fix first? The flat tires, because otherwise your car's a useless hunk of metal. the Chiefs defence turns this team into a useless hunk of metal, not Tyler Thigpen. Who, by the way, is a rookie in almost every respect except he's got one year of practice roster time. Look at Eli's first half-season as a starter. Hell, look at his career until last year. He was a slower, stronger-armed Thigpen. Now he's a super bowl champ. And don't tell me 'At least he was accurate' because prior to the playoffs last season he struggled to get his completion % above 60.

I consider QB the most important thing on the team building without that is like building a car with no engine.

Regardless, it still hasnt been fixed in almost 9 years. I thought as did many others, if nothing else Herm was going to at least bring a solid defense to th is team. Hasnt happened.

I think we have to fix that defense. I dont even care if its through free agency. I thinkwe have enough young guys that we can add 2 good free agents to help. Are whole starting 2ndary is drafted. Our whole Dline has been drafted. 1 of our linebackers has been drafted. A few vets wouldnt be bad, but we also need better coaching.

Well that's what they get for keeping Gunther around.