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bowener 12-29-2008 08:44 PM

Post Draft assumption Picks for the #3 spot
 
I'm sitting here watching Mizzou look like they are about to mail this bowl game in, and Maclin runs the punt back for a TD.

If he amazes at the combine, can we draft him?

We need a speedster and I just watched him run down the center of the field at a high rate of speed, going from 0-full speed in 1 step. I know we have bigger needs, but if somehow there are no QB's we want, and we have a trade partner for #3 that would set us around #10-13, would it be acceptable? Or, at #3 would it be acceptable?

Say he runs a 4.30-40 and shows great hands.

We know the modern NFL is geared around the passing game, he could really help us out there, of course so could a great QB.


So, for this thread, pick a player that the Chiefs could use that may not be on a lot of the mock lists yet, but might move up after the bowls and the combine.

edit:

I know a lot would fear a Ginn type situation, but Maclin is 6'1" and 200lbs, so it's not like he is a small guy who can't break some tackles.

KChiefs1 12-29-2008 08:47 PM

Nate Davis, QB Ball State

I believe he has all the intangibles but has not faced the competition. I believe that after the bowl game, combine & workouts he will be this year's Joe Flacco.


I misread your post....I was thinking of possible steals later on in the 3rd round.

3rd pick? I'll go with Aaron Curry.

Mr. Laz 12-29-2008 08:49 PM

sure we can draft maclin ......





........... in the 2nd or 3rd round

Mi_chief_fan 12-29-2008 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 5338309)
sure we can draft maclin ......





........... in the 2nd or 3rd round

He'll be long gone by then. No way he drops past Chicago.

Mecca 12-29-2008 08:51 PM

Drafting Maclin 3rd would be like drafting Tedd Ginn in the spot the Dolphins did.

Mi_chief_fan 12-29-2008 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5338312)
Drafting Maclin 3rd would be like drafting Tedd Ginn in the spot the Dolphins did.

Agreed but I think Maclin is a better receiver than Ginn. And I believe Ginn went #9, right?

Mr. Laz 12-29-2008 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mi_chief_fan (Post 5338311)
He'll be long gone by then. No way he drops past Chicago.

why would Chicago draft Maclin when they have Hester?

Mecca 12-29-2008 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mi_chief_fan (Post 5338321)
Agreed but I think Maclin is a better receiver than Ginn. And I believe Ginn went #9, right?

Ginn was a pretty damn good college player and he wasn't in the spread...

To be frank this is a bad WR year, I don't think we should be looking at WR's this year unless someone like Heyward-Bey fell into the top of the 2nd.

OnTheWarpath15 12-29-2008 08:58 PM

Not for the Chiefs, but a guy that I've yet to see in a mock that will end up being a 1st round pick if he declares is Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State.

Mi_chief_fan 12-29-2008 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 5338326)
why would Chicago draft Maclin when they have Hester?

I get to listen to a lot of Chicago sports talk, without a doubt WR is their biggest need, at least on offense. Hester is a complete failure as a WR; the thinking is that somebody like Maclin would be a #1 or 2 (their words, not mine) and Hester can focus more on PR/KR. Because he has hands of stone. They believe Forte will be their RB for a longtime.

Mi_chief_fan 12-29-2008 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5338328)
Ginn was a pretty damn good college player and he wasn't in the spread...

To be frank this is a bad WR year, I don't think we should be looking at WR's this year unless someone like Heyward-Bey fell into the top of the 2nd.

Ginn was surrounded by a lot more talent. This is a bad WR year, I agree with that as well.

Mecca 12-29-2008 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5338342)
Not for the Chiefs, but a guy that I've yet to see in a mock that will end up being a 1st round pick if he declares is Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State.

Yea Todd McShay has him going 5th...problem with that Aaron Maybin is very small for an NFL DE, he's like 235lbs, when he was sitting next to Maualuga at the awards you'd have thought he was the LB Maualuga was significantly larger.

petegz28 12-29-2008 09:02 PM

NO WR's or RB's in the first round, please.

blueballs 12-29-2008 09:03 PM

Macklin is the Chiefs' CB
I learned that yesterday

OnTheWarpath15 12-29-2008 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5338353)
Yea Todd McShay has him going 5th...problem with that Aaron Maybin is very small for an NFL DE, he's like 235lbs, when he was sitting next to Maualuga at the awards you'd have thought he was the LB Maualuga was significantly larger.

Don't you think he'd be a rush backer in a 3-4 scheme?

Otherwise, he's gonna have to put on some serious weight to play DE.

beavis 12-29-2008 09:08 PM

I'm as big of a Mizzou fan as anyone, but if whoever our next GM is takes Maclin at #3, we should have kept Peterson.

Mecca 12-29-2008 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5338368)
Don't you think he'd be a rush backer in a 3-4 scheme?

Otherwise, he's gonna have to put on some serious weight to play DE.

That's possible although rush backers are generally bigger than he is, either way no matter what he's gonna need to add 15-20lbs.

OnTheWarpath15 12-29-2008 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5338383)
That's possible although rush backers are generally bigger than he is, either way no matter what he's gonna need to add 15-20lbs.

I think he could get by adding 10 or so.

Harrison of the Steelers is one guy I can think of off the top of my head that is 240 or under.

DaneMcCloud 12-29-2008 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5338312)
Drafting Maclin 3rd would be like drafting Tedd Ginn in the spot the Dolphins did.

And then trading away Dwayne Bowe in the process.

Why Miami traded away Chris Chambers AND Wes Welker, only to replace them with Ted Ginn at #9 overall is way beyond me.

And should also tell you that Clark Hunt should NEVER, and I mean NEVER consider Randy Mueller for the GM position.

Mecca 12-29-2008 09:13 PM

I think Selvie is the guy who would rank out best in making the move to 3-4 OLB, of all the guys I've seen this year.

Mecca 12-29-2008 09:20 PM

Also if you want a WR what kind of WR do you want because I can think of some guys that will probably be in the draft that will be productive players.

Chiefaholic 12-29-2008 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 5338309)
sure we can draft maclin ......





........... in the 2nd or 3rd round

He'll never make it out of the middle of the 1st round, much less the 2nd or 3rd. The guy is a freak that'll downgrade Bowe to the #2 WR position. Do I want him.... HELL YEAH!!!... Will we get him?... Not likely, we have too many needs at multiple other positions with the 3rd pick in the draft. We've got to be thinking BAA at QB, DE, and MLB.... In that order.

Mecca 12-29-2008 11:32 PM

Jeremy Maclin is not a 1...he'll get picked high because of his 40 time but a 1 in the NFL, that's a long shot.

DaneMcCloud 12-29-2008 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 5339074)
He'll never make it out of the middle of the 1st round, much less the 2nd or 3rd. The guy is a freak that'll downgrade Bowe to the #2 WR position. Do I want him.... HELL YEAH!!!... Will we get him?... Not likely, we have too many needs at multiple other positions with the 3rd pick in the draft. We've got to be thinking BAA at QB, DE, and MLB.... In that order.

So you think that Macklin is a #1 WR in the NFL and that he'll gain nearly 1,000 yards and have more than 80 catches per season?

Seriously? Those are big numbers. I think he'll be an impact player but I highly doubt he that type of NFL player.

Mecca 12-29-2008 11:35 PM

Maclin will be a really nice complimentary special teams player but I'm not sure that is worth the spot he's going to get picked at...he's super fast but I can name guys who are more ready to play the WR position that'll go much later.

Chiefaholic 12-30-2008 12:07 AM

The guy is a playmaker who catches everything near him, has blazing speed, and is AMAZING on punt and kick returns. He'll get picked in the top half of the first round and will be THAT kind of guy in the right offensive scheme and a QB that get's the ball in catchable range.

BossChief 12-30-2008 01:11 AM

If we draft a WR, crabtree is the only one worthy of a top five pick.

We should Sign Peppers, and Suggs in FA to start with....after that we should draft Crabtree in the first and Mack in the second, slide Rudy to RG, and start Herb at RT from the start of the season.

That should get our pass rush jump started s well as our Oline fixed. From there, we should trade back into the second and take the best MLB available to start for us, what cover 2 MLBs are there in this draft worthy of a second/third rounder?

Thats a start...

SPATCH 12-30-2008 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 5339345)
If we draft a WR, crabtree is the only one worthy of a top five pick.

We should Sign Peppers, and Suggs in FA to start with....after that we should draft Crabtree in the first and Mack in the second, slide Rudy to RG, and start Herb at RT from the start of the season.

That should get our pass rush jump started s well as our Oline fixed. From there, we should trade back into the second and take the best MLB available to start for us, what cover 2 MLBs are there in this draft worthy of a second/third rounder?

Thats a start...

you are drunk, sir

Frazod 12-30-2008 01:16 AM

I'd love to see the Bears draft Maclin - I know he won't land here, but it would be cool to have him play for my red-headed NFC stepteam.

BossChief 12-30-2008 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula (Post 5339350)
you are drunk, sir

I dont think so....ROFL

David. 12-30-2008 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5339110)
Maclin will be a really nice complimentary special teams player but I'm not sure that is worth the spot he's going to get picked at...he's super fast but I can name guys who are more ready to play the WR position that'll go much later.

You're nuts if you think Maclin is only going to be a special teams player. He's going to be a very good #2

Joe Seahawk 12-30-2008 01:27 AM

I can see it now, you fockers will draft Crabtree right in front of us to get us back for Shaun Alexander..

Ultra Peanut 12-30-2008 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Seahawk (Post 5339375)
I can see it now, you fockers will draft Crabtree right in front of us to get us back for Shaun Alexander..

Ugggh. I was so devastated in 2000, because I was really starting to think we would get him.

Poor SlyMo.

SPATCH 12-30-2008 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 5339372)
I dont think so....ROFL

oh........ oh well then ur just dumb

smittysbar 12-30-2008 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 5339345)
If we draft a WR, crabtree is the only one worthy of a top five pick.

We should Sign Peppers, and Suggs in FA to start with....after that we should draft Crabtree in the first and Mack in the second, slide Rudy to RG, and start Herb at RT from the start of the season.

That should get our pass rush jump started s well as our Oline fixed. From there, we should trade back into the second and take the best MLB available to start for us, what cover 2 MLBs are there in this draft worthy of a second/third rounder?

Thats a start...

Peppers and Suggs?????? Good luck with that, I doubt we get either, but to get one would be a miracle. Two WR's with the first two picks....WTF, got to have someone throw them the ball. Cover 2???? Herm won't be here, so what does the cover 2 have to do with it?

Hootie 12-30-2008 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mi_chief_fan (Post 5338343)
I get to listen to a lot of Chicago sports talk, without a doubt WR is their biggest need, at least on offense. Hester is a complete failure as a WR; the thinking is that somebody like Maclin would be a #1 or 2 (their words, not mine) and Hester can focus more on PR/KR. Because he has hands of stone. They believe Forte will be their RB for a longtime.

I wouldn't call Hester a complete failure at WR...I think he has potential to be a poor man's Steve Smith in a year or two...he is definitely a formidable deep threat.

Mecca 12-30-2008 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by David. (Post 5339374)
You're nuts if you think Maclin is only going to be a special teams player. He's going to be a very good #2

That's what I meant by complimentary player, a complimentary WR and special teams player.

BigRedChief 12-30-2008 07:07 AM

Everything I've heard says McCalin in a solid top 10 pick.

tmax63 12-30-2008 07:50 AM

It would be cool to go from 3rd to 8-9th and get Maclin and a couple draft picks to boot. The returner problem would be solved and a couple of other spots could be fixed as well. No more Robinson or whoever is the pick of the week returning kicks.

Mi_chief_fan 12-30-2008 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5339552)
I wouldn't call Hester a complete failure at WR...I think he has potential to be a poor man's Steve Smith in a year or two...he is definitely a formidable deep threat.

Yeah, that's who Lovie kept comparing him to in the offseason, thought he would be similar to Steve Smith. He only lacks 2 things: good hands, and heart. He's just not very tough, certainly not when compared to Smith. He's got speed and he's elusive, but he gets his ass kicked constantly by opposing DBs.

I think, at this point, you can call him a failure,and the Bears (I think Frazod would agree) are better with him sticking to being a returner. The other WR, Rashied Davis, is also a failure.

In hindsight, maybe they should have kept Berrian, but I think Minnesota overpayed by a lot for him, so I don't fault them for that.

MIAdragon 12-30-2008 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tmax63 (Post 5339606)
It would be cool to go from 3rd to 8-9th and get Maclin and a couple draft picks to boot. The returner problem would be solved and a couple of other spots could be fixed as well. No more Robinson or whoever is the pick of the week returning kicks.

Yes lets use our first round pick to fill some of the lesser problems on the team, are you kidding a KR/ 2nd wideout!? Thats a move you make when you pick 31st. Robinson can hold his own in the return game, I think we will have more than a few surprises’ when new coaching comes to town.

Hootie 12-30-2008 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mi_chief_fan (Post 5339608)
Yeah, that's who Lovie kept comparing him to in the offseason, thought he would be similar to Steve Smith. He only lacks 2 things: good hands, and heart. He's just not very tough, certainly not when compared to Smith. He's got speed and he's elusive, but he gets his ass kicked constantly by opposing DBs.

I think, at this point, you can call him a failure,and the Bears (I think Frazod would agree) are better with him sticking to being a returner. The other WR, Rashied Davis, is also a failure.

In hindsight, maybe they should have kept Berrian, but I think Minnesota overpayed by a lot for him, so I don't fault them for that.

Steve Smith was nothing more than a return man his first few years...give Hester another year or two...but yeah, I doubt he ever turns into Steve Smith...but they were really similar when Steve Smith was starting out.

smittysbar 12-30-2008 09:58 AM

Did Steve Smith ever have hands as bad as Hesters? I thought Smith always had good hands.

MIAdragon 12-30-2008 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5339813)
Steve Smith was nothing more than a return man his first few years...give Hester another year or two...but yeah, I doubt he ever turns into Steve Smith...but they were really similar when Steve Smith was starting out.

he was a starter at WR his 2nd year.

KevB 12-30-2008 10:13 AM

Smith was also a very good WR in college....Hester never had a position.

Hydrae 12-30-2008 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mi_chief_fan (Post 5338343)
I get to listen to a lot of Chicago sports talk, without a doubt WR is their biggest need, at least on offense. Hester is a complete failure as a WR; the thinking is that somebody like Maclin would be a #1 or 2 (their words, not mine) and Hester can focus more on PR/KR. Because he has hands of stone. They believe Forte will be their RB for a longtime.

The WR problem in Chicago is kinda strange. They had Muhammad there for a few years and he could not do crap. He used to tear it up in Carolina and is showing signs of that now that he has returned. I mean seriously, when was the last time the Bears had a top notch WR?

beach tribe 12-30-2008 10:18 AM

Willie Gualt FTW.

Hootie 12-30-2008 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 5339859)
The WR problem in Chicago is kinda strange. They had Muhammad there for a few years and he could not do crap. He used to tear it up in Carolina and is showing signs of that now that he has returned. I mean seriously, when was the last time the Bears had a top notch WR?

Marcus Robinson was an absolute monster...A LA Randy Moss one year in Chicago...and then he blew out his knee and was never the same...I think Booker had 100 receptions one year as well.

But yeah, Marcus Robinson was a stud.

The problem with the Bears is this:

Curtis Enis, Cade McNown, David Terrell, Cedric Benson, etc...

They have missed on all of these high picks in the last decade and really only have Urlacher and Tommie Harris to show for all of their high first round picks.

I mean..Grossman, Salaam, Colombo...more later 1st round picks that were total busts. I'm probably even missing a few...

The Bears are in the same boat as every other shitty team...poor QB play.

Hootie 12-30-2008 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 5339835)
he was a starter at WR his 2nd year.

Yeah, it appears as if you are right...

Me, I don't know...I live in Chicago, I see a lot of Bears games...I don't think he was a 'flat out' disappointment this season...he dropped some passes, but he was also an above average deep threat IMO...he drew a lot of penalties, big penalties, against DB's this year...but he did almost have 700 yards receiving...

I don't think he'll ever be Steve Smith...but he's definitely surpassed the value of the #57 overall pick in a draft...easily. He could retire tomorrow and still be a good draft pick for the Bears.

Mi_chief_fan 12-30-2008 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5339874)
Yeah, it appears as if you are right...

Me, I don't know...I live in Chicago, I see a lot of Bears games...I don't think he was a 'flat out' disappointment this season...he dropped some passes, but he was also an above average deep threat IMO...he drew a lot of penalties, big penalties, against DB's this year...but he did almost have 700 yards receiving...

I don't think he'll ever be Steve Smith...but he's definitely surpassed the value of the #57 overall pick in a draft...easily. He could retire tomorrow and still be a good draft pick for the Bears.

I'm not saying he has no value, he could be used like Ginn or Dane Hall as a gimmick, but he's a WR bust because Lovie elevated him to the status of #1 WR, and he clearly will not be. His value, as a KR, is off the charts, but trying to fit a square peg like him into a round hole is just going to further stunt his time as a KR.

Also, I watched a few Bears games, ad he dropped a crucial pass i each one I watched, and also got laid out a few times by opposing safeties. He's a little to small & soft, IMO.


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