Blob Gretz: Herm deserves 2nd chance
 

http://www.bobgretz.com/

So what about Herm?

Early Wednesday evening the Chiefs will introduce new GM Scott Pioli during a press conference at the team’s facilities. Pioli’s hiring was officially announced Tuesday evening by the club, as he steps into the football role held for the previous 20 years by Carl Peterson.

One of the first questions that will be fired at Clark Hunt and Pioli will be the status of head coach Herm Edwards. Throughout Tuesday evening, that was the new No. 1 question floating through the NFL grapevine now that Pioli is on board.

Assumptions have been made by national media types that the hiring of Pioli means that Edwards is out and a new head coach will be coming to Arrowhead. Some have speculated that New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo is now the No. 1 candidate to join Pioli. Others believe the new head coach could be Pioli’s good friend, University of Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz.

No GM should have a head coach handcuffed to him, and it’s doubtful that Hunt will do that Pioli. But there’s also little doubt that Edwards was part of the discussions with Pioli leading up to an agreement between the two parties. Remember, when Hunt announced the resignation of Peterson, he said he would decide on Edwards’ future, with input from his new GM.

Hunt has said he supports Edwards and the job he undertook in trying to rebuild the team. The Chiefs also made it clear in their annoucement Tuesday evening that Pioli “will have final say over all football operations … “ Obviously, the head coach is part of football operations.

Edwards deserves a chance to keep his job. Many of his decisions in the last year were based on the support he was receiving from Hunt. It’s safe to say that if the head coach had known he was going to be on shaky ground in the rebuilding process, he would have approached things in a different manner. Every move that Edwards made came with the belief that Hunt was in his corner.

And here’s a tidbit that a lot of people don’t know. One of the people in the league that pumped up Edwards during the long ‘08 season was New England head coach Bill Belichick. He encouraged Edwards in a pre-game meeting before the season opener between the teams. When the holiday season rolled around, Edwards received a Christmas card from Belichick, who expressed support for the manner in which he was rebuilding the Chiefs with a hand written inscription.

Remember, this was from Bill Belichick, who is not one of pro football’s happy-go-lucky, chatty, back slapping guys. That he twice took the time to encourage Edwards, who has no connection to him, is revealing. It’s a good bet that at some point in time, he and Pioli had discussions on what was happening in Kansas City.

And this might be stretching the point, but remember this as well: when he was coaching the New York Jets, Edwards knew the Patriots were filming the Jets sideline during the game. In fact, at one point Edwards waved at the cameraman. But unlike the coach who replaced him with the Jets, former Belichick protégé Eric Mangini, Edwards did not turn the Patriots in to league security.

Life is not always fair and no place is that more true than professional sports. It seems a long shot that Pioli will give Edwards the chance to finish the job. That will be unfair, because after suffering the pain of the ‘08 season, Edwards should get the opportunity to enjoy possible success in the coming season.

No matter what the decision, it figures to come quickly. If a change is going to be made, then Pioli needs to interview and lineup potential replacements. Next week is the Senior Bowl, what amounts to an annual NFL job fair. If a change is made, the Chiefs will be looking to fill a coaching staff. Should Edwards survive, expect changes in his coaching staff and he’ll need to find some new bodies.
This needs to be settled before everybody heads to Mobile.

It sounds like one Chiefs assistant coach may already be gone. Secondary coach David Gibbs has been in Houston talking with the Texans about moving there. His father, former Chiefs assistant coach Alex Gibbs is now coaching on Gary Kubiak’s staff.

What a lot of people don’t know is that when Gibbs joined the Chiefs in 2006 – leaving Auburn where he was defensive coordinator – he was offered the coordinator’s job by Kubiak. He could have gone to the Texans then, but Gibbs decided to honor his commitment to Edwards and Chiefs defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham.

I'm shocked. Shocked.

And Gretz deserves the shocker.

I think Pioli will consider Herm, but likely will go in a different direction if he can get one of his 3 amigos to pull the trigger and come to KC.

**** Gretz and **** Herm! I really thought Gretz would come out with some whatever decision Pioli makes will be the correct one type of ass-suck.

He'll consider him for about 3 seconds.

Herm's gone.

Hey Gretz:


GFY

gretz loves failure more than any human alive not named kcjohhny

Good lord...Laughable.

Does Herm have pics of Gretz or something??

He'd better stay sucking up to Pioli. Herms not taking Gretz with him.

Of course Belichick wants Herm to stay in the league. He'd also love to see Rich Kotite back in New York and that Lions coach who didn't make the overtime call right. Belichick is no dummy.

Both Belechick and Pioli thought he was joke when he was coaching the Jets

These guys are techically peers. Gretz makes it sound like the president sending cards to wounded soldiers "with a handwritten inscription". Give me a break.

I was putting my "press conference" speak hat on.
Don't wanna ruffle Al Sharpton/Jesse's feather dissin' one of their own.

Gretz is a moron. He should off himself.

Just to let you know I added the rest of the article. His site is extremely slow today and I kept getting database errors.

Oh for **** sake....Herm, good luck and I wish you well but GTFO!

Gretz, you can go too. Herm and Gun must be tossing some salad to get him to write this.

Anything in a desperate attempt to try to hold onto some form of access......

When are Gretz and Dawes going to be fired?

It will be nice to see a clean slate at the website, too.

Gretz is another one of those guys who deserves a blindfold, a cigarette and a spot up against the wall.

Credit to Arrowhead Pride:

A majority of people see Herm is a bad coach. A majority of people see Herm doesn't deserve a 2nd chance.

So why do these sports writers like Gretz, Dawes always write opposite stuff that we fans don't agree on? They do it time after time. They represent the very defination of what an a**hole is.

the pioli hire was done in enough time that there are many many vaible canidates for coaching positions still on the shelf.

herm is a gooner.

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good error messages are for wimps. :)

pandering only sells soap.

This guy needs to be canned along with everyone else.

Wow. I sure hope Denver hires Mike Priefer.


Seriously, do teams even watch film of some of these coaches? Priefer's special teams were absolutely horrid. After Herm, Priefer is tops on my list to be shown the door. And other teams are actually interviewing him? I don't understand how the world works sometimes.

Yep but consider that Denver ST's have always been pretty crappy he would probably be an upgrade.

Gretz is as pathetic as WPI.

They all don't like that a new sheriff is in town.

Keep Herm! He isn't a snitch! Plus, he gets Christmas cards from the Hoodie!

Seriously, this "article," "essay," whatever the **** it is, is an embarrassment.

A change if scenery might do him good. Or, he might still suck.

I remember here in STL, Bobby April was run out of town. The Rams special teams were HORRIBLE in 2002 and 2003.

I'd say April has done a damn good job ever since in Buffalo.

I'm not saying Priefer will do well, but there are a lot of factors to consider.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I would be seeking to update from terrible to good, not terrible to pretty bad. It's not like walking up a flight of stairs. But hey, if the Broncos want him, they can have him.

Re-re-elect George Bush

Herm is a weasel and a virus that instills a losing attitude within your organization... I seriously doubt Pioli will surround himself with losers...


And if Pioli keeps Herm, then Pioli is nothing more than Carl redux and wont ever take this franchise anywhere...

Herm's had his chance.
He needs to be shown the door.

Gretz:

Herm has his $4 million golden parachute.

All thier "inside" sources will be gone.

You're not crazy and I agree with you. But hey it is the Broncos so why do I care if they continue to suck at ST's? :D

Gretz was a decent sports writer when he was at the Star, and he was passable on the morning show on KCFX (at least during football season).

But he turned into such a hack that I want to puke whenever I read his stuff. Giving Herm "a second chance" is so reeruned that I can barely see straight.

My thoughts exactly, cultivate the inept reeruns. **** you Gretz, I get your point about Clark commiting to the rebuild. But Herm is not the leader or football mind to pull this off.

Get the **** out and stay out Herm! Go talk to Al Davis, please.

WHO...


****ING......


CARES!?

And furthermore, his arguments don't even make sense anymore. So what if BB likes Herm? And from what Gretz wrote, it appears BB only likes him because he didn't turn him in for cheating. Which actually means Herm is too cowardly to tell the truth; something we already know.

What does that have to do with being a talented coach? Bob has completely lost it.

Gretz is a bafoon... who takes him serious anymore other than Rufas Dawes ?

I wouldn't mind seeing him get his second chance...


...in Oakland.

The inscription read, Ha, Ha!

Other than being a bad coach, there are a few reasons Herm staying would be very problematic:

1) He's lame duck, so you'd almost have to give him an extension for him to be credible as a coach. No way Pioli does that.

2) He's all about the cover-2. We're not going to be a cover-2 team anymore. How would that work?

Gretz is (to use a phrase from Dick Cheney) a "dead-ender"... he is a Dictator Carl/Herm loyalist who will do everything in his limited power to sabotage the Pioli Liberation.

This is why Germ Warfare must continue. Dictator Carl, Herm and their fanatical loyalists will not go quietly into that good night.

That actually is quite a good description of Gretz.

Maybe I am confused, but wasn't coming to KC Herm's second chance?

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When the holiday season rolled around, Edwards received a Christmas card from Belichick, who expressed support for the manner in which he was rebuilding the Chiefs with a hand written inscription.

Was Gretz going through Herm's stuff on his desk?

Hard to go through his desk when you are under his desk preforming your daily services...

he will ....... Gretz will start sucking Pioli as soon a Herm is gone.

until then is full-on knee pads

I was listening to Herm on Sirius radio the other day talking about Dungy and how they came into the league together. I was thinking it would be great if they left the league together.

Hell NO! :cuss:

Yes, that 15-33 record certainly is a bright spot on his resume.

Ever get the feeling it's all a game and the writers are just as much a part of it as the guys they're reporting on? I mean, you can't actually take what any of these guys say as the truth. Rarely does someone do what they say. So even though Clark said he wanted to keep Herm, we all knew that he'd be gone when the new regime came in. Why even try and think otherwise - let alone write about it?

Gretz is the guy that was sitting in the hidden spider hole with Sadam Husein, telling him "don't worry it's not over" ......

Maybe as a peace offering we can offer Herm to the Patriots. Just so there's no hard feelings.

this is the reason herm goes

Despite his reputation Belichick is a pretty classy guy. But just because he tried to cheer up Herm doesn't mean Herm deserves to or has a chance of keeping his job.

herm has had three chances. he had a chance in 2006, and his team choked on his incompetence in the playoffs. he had another chance in 2007, and he turned the team into a joke. in 2008, he had yet another chance for reasons unbeknownst to mankind, and turned the chiefs into one of the worst teams in all of sports.

teams like the jets and broncos fire their coaches when they win 8 or 9 games. yet the chiefs, who won 2 games, are sitting here with their thumbs up their asses.

i cannot fathom how anybody could possibly think he deserves another chance.

You cannot fathom it, because You have not been swallowing Carl's man juice year after year.

Bob Gretz is clear evidence that swallowing Carl's man juice has a side effect of making you an incompetent reerun.

"...they should let you stay president...."

A lot of you guys are classless and deranged.

The inspiration of my avatar.

If you had to play Herm first game of the season what would you tell him?

A Christmas card reference??? WTF kind of article is this???

Yep, but Clark is on our side. :D

I have just the thing for herm...

There's nothing to be gained from not blowing the whole staff up.

Gretz Quote: "But there’s also little doubt that Edwards was part of the discussions with Pioli leading up to an agreement between the two parties."

WTF? So Clark invited Herm to sit in on the Pioli interview and negotiations and then give his approval of Pioli. Okay. God forbid this organization ever has to fire anyone.

I like how Gretz spends the entire article repeating that it's doubtful that Pioli will keep Herm but then gives us all this supposedly inside information as to why Herm may get to stay. It's articles like these that make me want to bludgeon Gretz with a pitchfork.

Talking Can mentioned that Gretz must be a big fan of failure. I totally agree. All this guy does is promote ideas and people that are absolute failures. Then he goes to the HOF presentations and the first thing he mentions to the voters is why Derrick Thomas was a failure at being a run-stopper, but that he belongs in the HOF despite that.

fuck you, Gretz.

Herm being there was a negotiating tool for Clark.

He wanted Pioli to know just how much of a "clean slate" he'd be working with in Kansas City.

I'll consider it only after Rufus Dawes has told me to.

Hey Gretz,

Herm already got 2 chances. One with the Jets and one with the Chiefs.

Guess what? He brought both franchises into the pits and made them losers. What else more does he need to prove? A 3rd chance?

Point #1 is exactly right. Pioli MUST decide Edwards is the dog he wants to hunt with. If he brings him back he HAS to give him a contract extension. Why?
If he doesn't and:

---KC gets off to a bad start (again), Herm is the definition of a lame duck and may even get the axe mid-season. Players are unlikely to play for a coach in that situation.

---KC actually improves and makes the playoffs. Now what? Do you re-sign him? Fire him after getting to the playoffs. No.

So it is quite simple. If Herm isn't let go, then he will be with the team a long time.

I believe what Gretz mean't to say was the Herman ****ing Edwards was a subject in the discussions between Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli.

I believe that portion of the discussion went something like this:

Clark, "So what are your thoughts on our current coach in KC?"

SP, "What was Carl on when he traded a draft pick for that dumbass?".

I have a feeling, that Bob Gretz is circling the drain next to his good pal Herm Edwards.

Meth?:shrug:

i was wondering who hacked his site -- ROFL

I would say the definition of an asshole is expecting other people to do their jobs by catering to whatever it is you want to hear.

This blows my mind. You really can't do worse than Priefer did here. And he did not have the same relative talent deficit as the offense and defense did. This doesn't speak well for Josh McDaniels who I already suspected will be out of his element as a head coach. Mike Nolan stinks too.