Tradeback ?
 

If we were to trade back with say the bengals or 49ers so that they could get crabtree before Seattle, what kind of compensation would we be receiving? Im just curious because I have seen this discussed frequently on the planet. I know that trades in the top 5 are pretty infrequent, but just been wondering lately.

Thanks

To trade up from #10 to #3 a team would need to compensate with a) next year's 1st plus this year's 2nd b) two 2nd's this year c) a 2nd a 3rd and next year's 2nd.

Something in that range.

Which is why it's unrealistic to expect trades out of the top 3. You will never see a Ricky Williams type trade again.

Wow. I think I'd take that.

thanks appreciate it

If we are gonna trade down we better get ray maualuga and pass on Crabtree.

As is, our O can put up enough points to keep us in a game. Our D could not stop an AFL2 team.

No one is going to want the pick.....the Dolphins wanted to get rid of their pick last year..had no takers.

I doubt that chart is still valid these days.

Because you say so? ROFL

Or their 7th round picks for the next 100 years or so. Don't forget about that possibility.

Think about it. When that chart was made the salaries were no where near what they are today. Why do you think you do not see as many top pick trades as there were in the past?

Sure money plays in but most teams don't want to trade away 8 draft picks.

I doubt they would move up for a WR, it would be for a QB or one of the tackles.

I'm probably calculating this wrong but if say the Eagles decide they want Crabtree before Seattle or Oakland choose him they'd have to give the Chiefs the following:

21st pick - first round
28th pick - first round
next year's #1 pick
53rd pick - second round

That's a lot to give up but if they really wanted him....

From last year's (2008) draft using the draft value chart:

New England trades #7, #164 = 1526.8
New Orleans trades #10, #78 = 1500

Detroit trades #15, #76 = 1260
Kansas City trades #17, #66, $136 = 1248

Houston trades #18 = 900
Baltimore trades #26, #89, #173 = 868.2

I could live with that

LOL, the Eagles are not moving up for a WR, they've drafted exactly 1 first round WR in Reids entire stay there..

They devalue the WR and LB positions....expect them to stand pat and take some OT's as their guys are getting very old and they badly wanted Albert last year.

Unrealistic.

I think it's still useful to an extent, but I don't think any team takes it as a literal value equivalency without considering a lot of other factors.

It was all hypothetical example based upon the Eagles having 2 first round picks in this draft. I wasn't saying they would draft Crabtree.

I was just pointing out their draft strategy, there are some teams that you can easily look at to know what they'd be looking for in the draft.

Freddie Mitchell!!!

I talked about this possibility a few days ago. One scenario that made sense, at least at this point, would be to trade with SF and move down to #10. There we could take someone like Everette Brown to be our beast OLB in the 3-4.

Teams have to pay out the ass for top rookie contracts these days, so I don't think we'd get full value in return according to the value chart.

At this point, I still think one of the QBs makes sense for us at #3. But I can easily see a scenario where Pioli's main priority is trading back to acquire more picks so we can revamp the defense to move to the 3-4.

I would think their 10th and 42nd pick in this year's draft + a #2 next year.

Here's a better question...if you drop to 10, you probably just killed your shot at the top 2 QB's..

So then Tyler Thigpen is the QB again...unless the Chiefs continue their gimmick offense him in a regular offense was one of the ugliest things ever.

Yes, or you pick up a FA QB. You have to at least consider the possibility that Pioli will not value Stafford or Sanchez as high as draftniks and/or other teams do. The Pats have shown a tendency to draft to the beat of their own drummer.

But the Big Chief wants a franchise QB and he sort of keeps bringing it up each time he is interviewed.

Who do you see going QB between 4 and 10?

Be aware of Cincy looking to drop out of their pick, but I think the lowest Sanchez would go provided he's the 2nd picked QB is 10th to San Fran.

I wouldnt mind Brown at 10 but i would rather drop and hope Sanchez falls there. I dont think we will run the 3-4 only. I think we may run a hybrid defense like Philly does if anything.

I only trade back if Sanchez and Stafford are both off the board.

This.

NFLDC still has the Chiefs taking Aaron Curry at 3...exciting eh?

I'd be greatly disappointed if they drafted Curry over one of the Top 2 QB's.
If they're both gone though I wouldn't mind the pick so much.

I don't think we waste our top pick on a QB, we need OL and DE, and LB Pioli does have a pretty good record of finding starting QB's in the later rounds and there will be some there to pick (Chase Daniels I know he's not tall enough but neither is Drew Brees and he's tough and a leader, and K-states QB says he leaving all the experts say he is the prototype NFL QB ) I don't really see any free-agent QB's out there that you want to build a team around, but it doesn't really matter until we have a big, strong, nasty OL like we had not to many years ago.

He has Stafford 1 Monroe 2 Curry 3....Sanchez goes 10 to the 49ers..

Even in his right up he basically says he'd likely take a QB as he doesn't feel Thigpen did enough but "I'm not the one making this pick"

I like his takes but he normally has some wack mocks up until about a week before.

ROFL

And the Chase Daniel shit is back again...waste it on a QB..

The noobs lately really suck I tell ya.

He says in his writeup...

Up until about two months ago everyone had this pegged as a quarterback spot but it looks like Tyler Thigpen may have played well enough down the stretch to make the Chiefs feel comfortable moving forward with him as their starting signal caller. Personally, I don't know that Thigpen has done enough to justify passing on a top quarterback prospect but I'm not the one making that decision.

Daniel looked horrible and very uncomfortable under center during the Shrine Game.

I'd like to see the Chiefs pass on a QB this year. Spend 4-5 picks on OT's, and hope they're in position to draft Reesing next year.

I hope I never hear about Chase Daniel ever again, if someone wants to throw out mid/late round QB prospects throw out a legit one.

ROFL I love the new demonpenz type posts out of you.

Chase Patton. In the 7th.

The complete overvaluing of OL on this forum at times is laughable, you don't need 5 1st round OL's hell most of the good teams have 1 or none...

And yes I know you're being tongue in cheek but it's in reference to that other guy, people should study up on this stuff before they post about it.

We've been trained well in the art of fearing failure and risk.

Sure seems that way..

Every time the Chiefs have a pretty high pick there are tons of threads and people that want to trade down in the worst way, trade down and take offensive lineman.

You might be right, but I'm not convinced that the 49ers would take him. He's one of those guys that a lot of teams have graded as a 2nd rounder. Yes, SF needs a QB, but if they are one of the teams that sees him as 2nd round talent, they aren't going to pull the trigger.

The only other team in picks 4-10 that I could see drafting him would be Seattle. If Cincy is going to lose TJ and Ocho Cinco, I could see a scenario in which they traded with the Chiefs to draft Crabtree. I'd be a little nervous that Seattle might take Sanchez in that scenario, but I would still put the odds at less than 1 in 3.

Other than that, the rest of the teams in those spots are pretty well set at QB. I would really love to see a swap with Cincy and then trade back again with Jacksonville. Under that scenario, we could still get Sanchez.

Yes.

"Head Coach: Herm Edwards" is as far as I could re.......







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Dude. I had no clue you won a Super Bowl. You should apply to the Chiefs.

didn't I tell you? I'm really bill cosby...errr..... cowher.

Mayock saying that he doesn't see Stafford or Sanchez as Top 10 talent. Said he doesn't see a Ryan or Flaco in this draft.

Very interesting. He nailed Ryan's pre-draft evaluation last year.

Don't know if I agree with him, but just watched, On the Road to the Draft, on NFL Network. They are at the Senior Bowl.

He said Staford has a real strong arm and can make every throw you want but is inaccurate at times and makes poor decisions. He said Sanchez worries him just because of his starting experience, but that he has a pretty big arm himself. Just don't see a Ryan or Flaco in the Draft right now. He said, "I am not ready to say that they are top ten talent"

Neither will do what Ryan or Flacco did this year next season but I see them as better prospects than Ryan.

At this point last year Joe Flacco was a nobody so lets be realistic about this..

And no draft guy no matter how good is going to be 100% correct.