Michael Ash decapitates the anti-Haley crowd
 

Boom shaka-laka.

http://kan.scout.com/2/837471.html

<table><tbody><tr><td valign="top">When I first heard Todd Haley’s name being tossed around as a candidate for the Chiefs’ head coaching job, I dismissed him without a second thought.
</td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="3">
When it came to the Chiefs’ next coach, my mind was occupied with thoughts of the more publicized candidates. Names like Mike Shanahan, Steve Spagnuolo, Rex Ryan, and Jim Schwartz were on my list, not some anonymous Arizona coordinator, no matter how well he was doing in the postseason.

Little by little, though, most of those other coaches began to take other jobs. I wasn’t worried – there was little to no chance that Scott Pioli would leave New England without having a near-certain idea of who he’d want to coach his new team. So when the Spagnuolos and Schwartzes of the world began finding other employment, I interpreted it as Pioli letting them walk. After all, if he was interested, he’d have gone after them.

At the same time the coaching pool was drying up, the Cardinals kept winning playoff games and Haley’s national profile continued to grow. After a while, it was only natural to pay more attention to him, and eventually seek out information about a coach whose name kept coming up in regards to the Chiefs.

The more I found out, the more I liked him. Once it became clear that the ESPN-spawned frenzy around Shanahan didn’t have much substance to it, Haley became my favorite candidate.

But over the last week or so, as we drew closer to the point where he was hired, there was a fair amount of negativity circulating towards Haley. The funny thing about his candidacy for the job was that some people genuinely seemed frightened by it.

Haley has no head-coaching experience, so the portion of KC’s fan base that never wants to take risks – and it’s a substantial portion – wanted nothing to do with him. Whether they were brainwashed by Carl Peterson or Carl was just playing to his audience, I’m not entirely sure. But there are some who are just dead-set against the Chiefs doing anything that involves rolling the dice, whether that means hiring a first-time head coach or taking a quarterback high in April’s draft.

Then there are those who had their hearts set on the team making a “big name” coaching hire, like Shanahan or Bill Cowher. Haley didn’t fit that description, so all discussions of him were greeted with blanket rejections and dismissals.

Now that Haley has officially become the Head Coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, many of those who wanted no part of him are grudgingly accepting the fact he was hired. Others, though, are sticking steadfast to their original story that hiring him would be a mistake.

Knowing all that, I’ve identified the three biggest concerns people have over Haley.


Concern #1 - Nobody considered Haley to be a potential head coach before the playoffs. He’s only been hired because the Cardinals had three good playoff games.

It’s certainly true that the public at large didn’t consider Haley a hot head coaching prospect before the playoffs. But that doesn’t mean his name wasn’t known in NFL circles. A year ago, Bill Parcells wanted Haley to interview in Miami.

Haley got his start under Parcells with the Jets in the late 1990's – a point when Scott Pioli and Bill Belichick were also in New York – and he joined Parcells’ staff again in Dallas.

After retiring from the Cowboys, Parcells stayed out of football for a year before taking over the football operations in Miami. And a year before the Cardinals even dared to dream about playing in the Super Bowl, Parcells wanted to talk to Haley about being the Dolphins’ head coach.

We don’t know what Parcells was thinking – perhaps Tony Sparano was his man all along. On the other hand, maybe he wanted Haley to lead the Dolphins and had to settle for Sparano when Haley opted to stay in Arizona.

Either way, the notion that Haley’s name only began to surface for head coaching jobs over the last month has no merit. This is especially true when you consider that Pioli – a friend of Haley’s – would have known about him even if the Cardinals had missed the playoffs altogether.

Haley wasn’t just considered for a job a year ago, he was being considered by Parcells, someone who clearly has an eye for coaches. Just look at Sparano, certainly a good choice.

Upon Parcells’ retirement in Dallas, Haley also interviewed for the Cowboys’ head coaching job. As an existing member of the staff, though, that interview may have been little more than a courtesy rather than any real consideration of Haley getting the job. But we’ll talk more about that in a moment.


Concern #2 - Everywhere Haley goes, he ends up fighting with his players. He’s a hot-head. The team won’t respond to him.

Of all the things I learned about Haley, his temper concerned me the most.

His issues with T.O. were well-documented in Dallas, and his sideline spat with Anquan Boldin became news during the NFC Championship. Back during his time with the Cowboys, he almost fought with a ref, prompting Parcells to practically punch him and drag him away.

I like a coach who shows some fire, but this issue was troubling. The Chiefs have had their share of coaches in recent years – specifically on the defensive side of the ball – who thought that yelling at players was a substitute for teaching and coaching them.

That doesn’t appear to be the case with Haley. When you investigate his career, you inevitably end up hearing about the players he’s improved and the differences he’s made.

During his first stint as a receivers coach in New York, Haley worked with a young Keyshawn Johnson, the top overall pick in 1996. Their paths also crossed again a few years later in Dallas. Johnson has a longstanding reputation for being a typical “diva” receiver, but he’s been one of Haley’s biggest cheerleaders in recent weeks and fully credits his former position coach with helping him become a better player.

Upon leaving the Jets, Haley worked with the receivers in Chicago from 2001-2004. It’s been noted that the two best seasons of Marty Booker’s career – including his one and only Pro Bowl season in 2002 – came under Haley.

As you’re surely aware from the Super Bowl hype, Haley has also made quite an impact on the career of Cardinals’ receiver Larry Fitzgerald. But did you know that in addition to coaching the Cowboys’ receivers from 2005-2006, Haley was also the passing-game coordinator? That means he was heavily involved in the emergence of Tony Romo.

With all this in mind, we shouldn’t be worried that Haley is the stereotypical “yells a lot but teaches nothing” hot-head. He’s confrontational, but in a manner that helps his players improve. He has a visible track record of making the people around him better – even players who were already pretty good to start with.

To the best of our knowledge, the only player Haley has worked with that has voiced a negative opinion of him is Owens. And if you’ve watched more than five minutes of ESPN over the last several years, you know Owens eventually seems to develop a negative opinion of everyone he comes in contact with.

Haley’s negative relationship with Owens actually leads to another story that helped sell his personality. When he interviewed for the Cowboys’ head-coaching position, Haley not only told Jerry Jones that he couldn’t coach a team with a player like Owens on the roster, but said the Cowboys wouldn’t win anything with Owens. Jones, of course, was the driving force in bringing the receiver to Dallas, which meant Haley’s comments killed his chance at the job.

Many candidates in that position might have told the owner whatever he wanted to hear. Not Haley.

With the Cowboys experiencing more Owens drama in the second half of the 2008 season, Haley’s comments to Jones have added relevance. According to some reports, the team is debating on whether to keep the receiver on their roster in 2009.


Complaint #3 - Haley hardly has any experience. He was only a coordinator for two years, and besides, it must have been easy calling plays for all that offensive talent in Arizona.

These points are true and cannot be disputed.

But here’s a description of another potential head coach. This candidate was only a coordinator for one season and his team didn’t even make the playoffs, let alone the Super Bowl. They finished 6-10, in fact, and his unit didn’t make any drastic improvements compared to the way they’d played under the previous coordinator.

Would that candidate interest you more than Haley? Or is that coach even more of a risk?

The coach just described was Mike Tomlin at the point the Pittsburgh Steelers hired him. Less than a week ago, Tomlin became the youngest head coach to ever win a Super Bowl.

Tomlin didn’t have much experience or a lengthy track record of successful defensive play calling when he was hired. But the Steelers saw something in him and it’s safe to say their decision has worked out.

There are other fitting examples, but the point is that coordinator experience often means nothing as it relates to someone’s performance as a head coach. Many great coordinators – brilliant playcallers with years of experience – have made terrible head coaches.

You can bet that when Pioli offered Haley the job of coaching the Kansas City Chiefs, he didn’t do it simply because he thought Haley did a good job calling plays for all the talent in Arizona. He did it because he thinks Haley possesses the key qualities that enter into being a good head coach. Playcalling might be one of those qualities, but it certainly isn’t alone.

I’m excited about the hire of Todd Haley as our new head coach, and perhaps this has helped ease some of your concerns. If you have concerns I didn’t address, feel free to share them at the Warpaint Illustrated forums – maybe I’ll take another crack at it.

</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <script> var premiumFlag = 0; </script> <!--end STORY DISPLAY-->

shoulda got shanahan

No body wanted him besides Bill Parcells last year. Also theres plenty of coaches who weren't ever coordinatiors, and Cowher was one for what? Three years?

Actually very few head coaches do not have coordinator experience. When Herm was hired it was something like 29 of 32 coaches had previous coordinator experience. I don't think it's the be-all-end-all of qualifications for head-coaching candidates, but it's clearly an important step in the process of moving up the coaching ladder. If memory serves the only three head coaches who were not coordinators were Herm (FAIL), Marinelli (FAIL) and Reid (FAT).

Seriously? Haley wasn't a serious candidate? Honestly? Where does that guy get his Chiefs news?

Mike Tomlin was a DC for a year.

Mike Tomlin has a pretty similar resume to Haley....

And he sure nails it right on the head with his take of a good portion of the fan base never wanting to take a risk.

I don't think the column said what you think it said.

Also, the trend of comparing columns to brutal acts of violence is starting to get upsetting. I have a sensitive disposition.

*ALSO* I'd like the next column to address a post I saw at WPI where a guy said he hated the hire because there's never been a good head coach named Todd.

BEAT THAT

Was it Nick?

That's premium information, I'm afraid.

Wow i've better articles in my poop.
Posted via Mobile Device

YET...

LOL

Guess wpi was wrong like usual and he ate shit because she works there.

Hey Michael is your source nick athan. Guess you want Herm so you can have a press pass regardless of facts.

Like covering up the LJ lost playbook that wpi taunted as new breaker to have nick suck Carls dick not to break for coverage? LOL

no dick 2 suk now? LOL

wpi is done for lies but I bet they try to forcast BS as usual............?

ass clown...

It's not a bad article.

It addesses the questions that people have regarding Haley.

And really, your shit is unreadable.

So either Nick jumped on ESPN's tail, or he aided the frenzy. Wasn't WPI sure Shanahan was coming?

So where is the beheading?

You get your cell phone blocked from all the telemarketers?

It kills me on so many levels that WPI would allow that sentence in one of thier "articles."

Not a horrible article, actually.

I'll still wait until he hires his coordinators before I'm fully sold.

The one thing I am happy about is the relationship and philosophy shared by both Pioli and Haley -- they're incredibly similar in their approaches to the game, even if Haley tends to display more emotion than Pioli. And we've seen what happens when a coach and GM aren't on the same page (read: One Arrowhead Cluster****), so that's part of the hire that really can't be underestimated, IMHO.

MM
~~:shrug:

THE SENTENCE IS DONE!

MM
~~ROFL

It did up until I stopped reading it: When I first heard Todd Haley’s name being tossed around as a candidate for the Chiefs’ head coaching job, I dismissed him without a second thought.

When it came to the Chiefs’ next coach, my mind was occupied with thoughts of the more publicized candidates. Names like Mike Shanahan, Steve Spagnuolo, Rex Ryan, and Jim Schwartz were on my list, not some anonymous Arizona coordinator, no matter how well he was doing in the postseason.

FATALITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111

Did they report that for free, or did it cost $110?

This paragraph is 100% spot on.

Haley has no head-coaching experience, so the portion of KC’s fan base that never wants to take risks – and it’s a substantial portion – wanted nothing to do with him. Whether they were brainwashed by Carl Peterson or Carl was just playing to his audience, I’m not entirely sure. But there are some who are just dead-set against the Chiefs doing anything that involves rolling the dice, whether that means hiring a first-time head coach or taking a quarterback high in April’s draft.

F**k the rat. He never woulda worked out in KC. I wish him a lot of 10 win seasons in Dallas.

QFT

The True Fan lives on.

Who is Michael Ash and why should anyone care about his opinion?

He's one of Claythan's WPI brothers.

Nick's trouser mouse.

You name the coaches who you think were never coordinators and you're probably wrong. Almost every head coach was a coordinator at one point. Probably the only Super Bowl winning coach in the last 30 years that was not a coordinator was Jimmy Johnson.

It's not a bad article, save the WPI hate for when it is fitting. You'll have plenty of chances.

You probably are right about the winning SB coaches, but Andy Reid, who made it to a SB was never a coordinator.

Wasn't Reid OC under Mike Holmgren while he was in Green Bay?

Asst HC and QB coach.

Edit:He actually spent a year as the O-Line coach before becoming the QB coach.

The exception that proves the rule. I did think of another and that is Dick Vermeil.

Wasn't that based on Nick Athan's reporting? I thought that Mort originally said Shanahan was close to signing because of Athan.

Technically, we broke the Shanahan news. But there was no frenzy over it. That came over Mortensen's report, which did NOT come from Nick.

The negative thing IMO is it just shows Scott Pioloi really isn't the bad-ass everybody thought he was. If he was he wouldn't make an emotional "media hire" and would've known who he was gonna hire before he even got here. When he (Pioli) got this job Arizona was considered the worst playoff team of all time, their offense had looked like shit 6 of the previous 7 games, and the playcalling was getting trashed on a weekly basis. If they (AZ) lose to Atlanta there's just as good a chance Haley gets fired. But all the sudden the defense starts playing better, Wisenhunt forces Haley to run the ball occassionally, Warner plays well, and loe and behold the Cardinals end up in the super bowl and Haley is hailed as the second coming.

I feel much better about hiring Haley now.

I love true fans, they're great customurs.

Maybe he is the 2nd coming, but basing that on a couple of really good games that are basically an aberration of his previous track record isn't something you'd expect a guy with the reputation of Pioli to do. This smells of a Jerry Jones hire, not a Belichik type hire.

Sadly, you really believe that.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Most of this shit you just pulled from your ass.

reading this article
is like stealing

B_Ambuehl is a well-documented idiot. This time we're exposed to his opinion that Scott Pioli made a hire because ESPN said Haley would be a logical candidate. Forget all the history, forget knowing each other for years. Pioli obviously heard about Haley via ESPN and decided he'd appease the networks with this hire.

Who knows how Haley will do. But he has shown that he is aggressive as both a coach and thinker and his expectations for his players are always high. From what I've seen and read he's not afraid to push people to perform. Whether he can motivate this group (and the players he will have a say in drafting over the next few seasons) to give their best remains to be seen. But I think he's going to have the same high expectations for his coordinators, I think he will attack on both sides of the ball, and I think he'll accept nothing but the best from this team.

Hopefully he gets some FAs on the defensive line, is able to get Dorsey to grow as a player, and will run a scheme where the SS plays SS and the FS plays FS. ;)

nicely said.

Yep. Spit Bubble, superhero of True Fans, is most displeased with that paragraph.

No shit. **** Mike Shannahan; anyone pimping for that burnout deserves a one-way trip to the Blue Oyster Bar and a lifetime ball-gag/dog-collar combo.

The Haley/Holthus interview at KCC.com has more than satisfied any worries I may have had about Coach Haley( sounds good, yes? )being just a "hot-head".
He's a thoughtful, serious-minded football guy who will elevate the game of any player who truly listens to him and takes heed of what he's saying.

This was a great hire, and Kansas City, Romper-Room playtime is OVER.

Finally, Haley WILL take Mark Sanchez; per his own descriptive, Mark is EXACTLY what he's looking for.

FTW!*

*Usage of ORIGINAL "FTW"( **** The World ).

But that's not saying Haley wasn't a serious candidate for the job (which seemed to be your complaint). It's the writer saying HE wasn't paying attention to Haley because he didn't know who he was and he liked other potential candidates better.

Which probably describes a lot of people.

No ****ing kidding.

That guy is honestly the dumbest ****ing poster on the entire planet. I thought before it was KCJohnny, but not even Johnny is as ridiculously stupid as B_A.

Out with the old..retread, in with the new. I am excited!

What a happened to KCJohnny?

He's putting the lotion on his skin in my basement...

Just because I don't buy in to the media hype you guys shouldn't get your panties in a twist. The reality is this is the NFL, which stands for Not For Long. This is a players league and there are no coaching prodigies. Coaching is up an down - All things even out in the long run and right now Haley is up with realistically only one way to go. Seven years is absolutely ancient for an NFL coach, 3-5 years is the norm. History shows here's about an 85-90% chance the majority here will want Haley run out of town within 5 years. So, knowing that ahead of time, I would hope to acquire as much talent on the field as possible, but wouldn't look to any "suit" or headset wearer as a saviour.

THE EVOLUTION OF A COACH

1. Old coach gets fired.

2. New coach gets hired and says "we're gonna do "this" and we're gonna do "that."

3. As long as "this" and "that" is different then the old coaches "this" and "that" the fans get hyped up and say things like "I love this staff", "we're going to the superbowl baby" Rock on!" "now we have this!" Sales of season tickets pick up.

4. If he's lucky, the new coach and his team have success actually changing "this" and "that" and pick up some wins doing so.

5. Fans stay fired up. "Yeah can you believe our (offense/defense/d-line play, secondary, qb play, insert whatever you want etc.), it's so much better then it was when ____ was here!"

6. Coach has some success but with each team only having so much moeny to spend there's no possible way to optimize all the possible "this" and "thats" at the same time.

7. Fans don't realize that, they want it all now.

8. Coach says "well we're doing a good job at "this" and "that" (which is entirely different then the last coaches "this's" and "thats") but we need to improve "this" and change "this". We'll continue working towards our goals.

9. Repeat #8

10. Repeat #8 again

11. Fans get tired of #8 and know those "goals" will never be reached.

12. Season ticket sales start to decline.

13. Start over with #1, fire the coach, bring in someone new.

Reality: She's a bitch

The reerun returns.

With your ability to gloss over details and generalize; I know a non-official Chiefs publication and online jerk and spurt that could really use a talent such as yours!

There is a substantial portion of True fans who would have been just fine with the crap pile that Carl Peterson has fed them for 20 years.

"Just beat Denver and Oakland, get us to the wildcard round, and let me keep grillin in the parking lot Carl!!"

I don't know what all the Boom shaka-laka is all about; your reeruned rag seemed to be the only place up in arms about Haley's potential hiring.

THE DEAL IS DONE

First, it was Herm isn't going anywhere

Then it was the Rat

Haley wasn't a consideration according to WPI

The only decapitation going on was due to a collective circle jerk on scout where you were ripping your own peckers off....

It certainly is easy to say that at this time, it rolls right off the tongue. If you otherwise like what Haley represents, a Shanahan hire would have been all that a Haley hire was not. In fact if the Haley hire crashes and burns relatively early, not hiring Shanahan will be looked back on as being the great mistake, or at least the apparent non-pursuit of Shanny. The great caveat, and I think it is great though is, that anyone would assume Shanny would take a job in the scenario that apparently it is in a Pioli Chiefs clubhouse. You could say "shoulda got shanahan," but "it wasn't going to happen."

Atleast when I'm negative my posts center around reasoned thoughts.

Regardless of how Haley works out, I will never look back on passing on Shanahan as a great mistake.

Of all the rumors that circulated, that was the one that scared me the most.

I always knew you were a reerun. This proves it!

No shit.

All of you ****ing "Shanny Hummers" can go choke a MONKEY DICK!:cuss:

Calling people names may distract from the facts but we all remember the guarantees and goofiness. I'll never forget it. Nick Athan is worth at least $5 for the comedy show alone.

I WOULD bet you just about whatever you want that most posters on this board who actually take time to post would agree with elvis

A klondike bar?

honestly man i cant see how you could feel good about yourself while being associated with that rag.

There's a substantive argument. Spin and deflect, dude. I can't wait until your patience with Nick runs out. Frankly, I'm shocked you've taken so long. When you're done with all the pathetic garbage that goes on over there consider yourself hired by myself. I am in need of a new Minister of Information.

you'll just welch anyways.

he's a half assed good writer but his "career" will go down with wpi's ship if he stays attached to them IMO

Chiefsplanet: Your one-stop shop for Chiefs news, dumbassery, and career counseling!

Cowher? http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=2&c...%2f825986.html

The Rat? http://kan.scout.com/2/827395.html

Herm might stay? http://kan.scout.com/2/830350.html

Cowher as part of the "trifecta"? http://kan.scout.com/2/835287.html

Haley not really considered a candidate for the coaching job? http://kan.scout.com/2/835293.html
You're gonna tell me that this isn't some type of "journalistic" circle jerk?

Maybe it is more along these lines...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkgMbU-we1o

ROFL

Further proof that Fat Elvis just doesn't get it.

sorry man i think you are a good guy at heart, but its you that just doesnt get it

I'm devastated.

What he doesn't get is WPI doesn't give a shit about journalistic integrity - just about the cash.

If you didn't come along with all the holier than thou bullshit - no one else woudl care about it either.

WPI is crap, deal with it and move on. Quit trying to convince people here that it is something it isn't.