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Mecca 02-10-2009 04:53 PM

What's with the Thigpen fixation?
 
Now I fully admit it isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be on this forum but I've yet to figure out this fixation with him. It's really bad at some other unnamed forums..

I honestly have no way of comprehending what it's about. It's like everything people said about Croyle has now been lumped onto Thigpen. "Well um he's the guy we don't need another QB"

The worst part is the people who don't want a QB this year then say well if Thigpen doesn't work out we can just take Bradford or McCoy, it's like peoples brains fell out.

doomy3 02-10-2009 04:55 PM

Seems you have the biggest Thigpen fixation of all.

MIAdragon 02-10-2009 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477038)
Seems you have the biggest Thigpen fixation of all.

No shit, I was just going to post this.

Mecca 02-10-2009 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477038)
Seems you have the biggest Thigpen fixation of all.

When you read that same shit every single day it becomes draining....

I never in my life thought I'd see a portion of a fan base think a guy who had to run the spread who has awful feet a blah arm and shit accuracy was the future of the franchise.

It's just not fathomable to me in any sort of logical way.

beach tribe 02-10-2009 04:57 PM

NO DEEP BALL.

doomy3 02-10-2009 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477043)
When you read that same shit every single day it becomes draining....

I never in my life thought I'd see a portion of a fan base think a guy who had to run the spread who has awful feet a blah arm and shit accuracy was the future of the franchise.

It's just not fathomable to me in any sort of logical way.

So you decided to start a whole new thread about it?

Brilliant!

beach tribe 02-10-2009 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477043)
When you read that same shit every single day it becomes draining....

I never in my life thought I'd see a portion of a fan base think a guy who had to run the spread who has awful feet a blah arm and shit accuracy was the future of the franchise.

It's just not fathomable to me in any sort of logical way.

I hope we keep him as the BU.

bishop_74 02-10-2009 04:58 PM

I just trust Pioli's judgment more so than anyone else on this board. I am not going to cry either way. If Pioli keeps him, I assume he sees promise in the boy, and I will support.

MIAdragon 02-10-2009 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477043)
When you read that same shit every single day it becomes draining....

I never in my life thought I'd see a portion of a fan base think a guy who had to run the spread who has awful feet a blah arm and shit accuracy was the future of the franchise.

It's just not fathomable to me in any sort of logical way.

Yes man we get it, you dont like him, you want to draft a QB, anyone one who thinks anything else is a reerun......

beach tribe 02-10-2009 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477051)
So you decided to start a whole new thread about it?

Brilliant!

ROFL

CupidStunt 02-10-2009 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477038)
Seems you have the biggest Thigpen fixation of all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 5477042)
No shit, I was just going to post this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477051)
So you decided to start a whole new thread about it?

Brilliant!

Truth.

Dude needs to learn how to f'ing ignore shit, like people have to with his garbage.

MIAdragon 02-10-2009 05:00 PM

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beach tribe 02-10-2009 05:00 PM

This thread does have a certain aura of irony to it. Wouldn't you say?

Mecca 02-10-2009 05:01 PM

LOL..awesome doomy comes out to tell me I suck and the typicals follow, I should start some more threads.

Basileus777 02-10-2009 05:01 PM

I think the Thigpen love is just a product of the QB phobia some fans have. Some people just expect perfection from QB prospects and are deathly afraid of drafting a QB high. No NFL prospect is perfect and if you are looking for an excuse not to draft a player, you are always going to find it.

stevieray 02-10-2009 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477051)
So you decided to start a whole new thread about it?

Brilliant!

you know it's love when the sc girls get replaced with a teen idol sig.

doomy3 02-10-2009 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477069)
LOL..awesome doomy comes out to tell me I suck and the typicals follow, I should start some more threads.

What do you want? Quit sucking so much.

Hammock Parties 02-10-2009 05:01 PM

Who?

beach tribe 02-10-2009 05:02 PM

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|Zach| 02-10-2009 05:02 PM

Why can't Thigpen improve?

MIAdragon 02-10-2009 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477069)
LOL..awesome doomy comes out to tell me I suck and the typicals follow, I should start some more threads.

suck a dick, it gets old its the same diatribe with you, it never ends.

beach tribe 02-10-2009 05:03 PM

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MIAdragon 02-10-2009 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 5477073)
you know it's love when the sc girls get replaced with a teen idol sig.

LMAO

doomy3 02-10-2009 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5477070)
I think the Thigpen love is just a product of the QB phobia some fans have. Some people just expect perfection from QB prospects and are deathly afraid of drafting a QB high. No NFL prospect is perfect and if you are looking for an excuse not to draft a player, you are always going to find it.


Same could be said for the "anti-Thigpen" crowd too, I would guess. :shrug:

Mecca 02-10-2009 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5477070)
I think the Thigpen love is just a product of the QB phobia some fans have. Some people just expect perfection from QB prospects and are deathly afraid of drafting a QB high. No NFL prospect is perfect and if you are looking for an excuse not to draft a player, you are always going to find it.

Thanks for logically answering the question instead of you know saying I suck.

I might have some more respect for the other guys opinions if they read the draft forum enough to have a reasoned draft take.

Mecca 02-10-2009 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477079)
Why can't Thigpen improve?

Show me the success rate of spread QB's in the NFL...

MIAdragon 02-10-2009 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477086)
Thanks for logically answering the question instead of you know saying I suck.

I might have some more respect for the other guys opinions if they read the draft forum enough to have a reasoned draft take.

:spock:

doomy3 02-10-2009 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477089)
Show me the success rate of spread QB's in the NFL...

Really, what do you want from this thread?

Isn't this the exact thing that has been discussed a million times?

What is the point in this? Just didn't get a chance to call people reeruned enough today?

Mecca 02-10-2009 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477093)
Really, what do you want from this thread?

Isn't this the exact thing that has been discussed a million times?

What is the point in this? Just didn't get a chance to call people reeruned enough today?

I want a logical opinion as to why he should be the QB....I frankly don't understand it.

But obviously starting a football thread sucks, I should start threads about poop or how KC is a shitty place to live or something like that.

beach tribe 02-10-2009 05:07 PM

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MIAdragon 02-10-2009 05:08 PM

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ROFL

beach tribe 02-10-2009 05:08 PM

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Basileus777 02-10-2009 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477085)
Same could be said for the "anti-Thigpen" crowd too, I would guess. :shrug:

Perhaps some people are demanding too much from him, but I still don't know how anyone can think that Thigpen has shown enough to pass up on a potential franchise QB. He's only played out of the spread, and he has horrible footwork and accuracy. He certainly has room for improvement, but I don't see franchise QB potential in him. I think that if you don't have a franchise quarterback, you cannot pass on one in the draft.

beach tribe 02-10-2009 05:08 PM

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Mecca 02-10-2009 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5477103)
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Having fun?

beach tribe 02-10-2009 05:09 PM

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|Zach| 02-10-2009 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477089)
Show me the success rate of spread QB's in the NFL...

You didn't answer my question.

Why can't Thigpen improve?

Other QBs get allll the patience in the worlllldddd. Yet Thigpen gets 8 games where the whole offense was changed in the middle. A suspect line. A suspect running game. And he gets the ball the endzone. Makes plays makes things happen...never even had a training camp as more of an after thought.

Every other young QB gets years of patience and Thigpen gets 8 games.

Why can't he improve?

doomy3 02-10-2009 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477098)
I want a logical opinion as to why he should be the QB....I frankly don't understand it.

But obviously starting a football thread sucks, I should start threads about poop or how KC is a shitty place to live or something like that.

People have stated their opinion on this for the last several months, you just don't agree with the answer.

Both of those things are fine.

People thought our offense improved with him back there last year, he showed more poise in the pocket than we've seen in awhile, he is decent sized, has a pretty strong arm.

There are some flaws for sure, but the people who want to give him another chance think those flaws can be worked out.

|Zach| 02-10-2009 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477098)
I want a logical opinion as to why he should be the QB....I frankly don't understand it.

But obviously starting a football thread sucks, I should start threads about poop or how KC is a shitty place to live or something like that.

You are a sensitive.

MIAdragon 02-10-2009 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477098)
I want a logical opinion as to why he should be the QB....I frankly don't understand it.

But obviously starting a football thread sucks, I should start threads about poop or how KC is a shitty place to live or something like that.

He should be the QB because hes the best one we have on the roster today. If we should draft one or pick a FA up then let the best man win. Is that enough logic for ay?

beach tribe 02-10-2009 05:10 PM

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doomy3 02-10-2009 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5477105)
Perhaps some people are demanding too much from him, but I still don't know how anyone can think that Thigpen has shown enough to pass up on a potential franchise QB. He's only played out of the spread, and he has horrible footwork and accuracy. He certainly has room for improvement, but I don't see franchise QB potential in him. I think that if you don't have a franchise quarterback, you cannot pass on one in the draft.

And I tend to agree with all of this. I hope we draft a QB if Pioli and Haley see a franchise QB at #3. No question about it.

There are obviously some that don't feel there is one. Same way you don't feel that Thigpen is one.

Both opinions are just that.

Mecca 02-10-2009 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477114)
You didn't answer my question.

Why can't Thigpen improve?

Other QBs get allll the patience in the worlllldddd. Yet Thigpen gets 8 games where the whole offense was changed in the middle. A suspect line. A suspect running game. And he gets the ball the endzone. Makes plays makes things happen...never even had a training camp as more of an after thought.

Every other young QB gets years of patience and Thigpen gets 8 games.

Why can't he improve?

The fact that he has to play in the spread is a giant issue..it's why spread QB's fail at such a high rate. Thinking a guy can just learn to play in a normal offense in the snap of a finger is not realistic. Many guys, some taken top 10 couldn't learn to do it to think this guy can is banking on a such a long shot..

And for doomy he's really not decent sized, by NFL QB standards he's short.

beach tribe 02-10-2009 05:13 PM

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Mecca 02-10-2009 05:14 PM

You have an awful lot of pictures on your PC.

|Zach| 02-10-2009 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477125)
The fact that he has to play in the spread is a giant issue..it's why spread QB's fail at such a high rate. Thinking a guy can just learn to play in a normal offense in the snap of a finger is not realistic. Many guys, some taken top 10 couldn't learn to do it to think this guy can is banking on a such a long shot..

And for doomy he's really not decent sized, by NFL QB standards he's short.

You still treat the NFL game like math.

Was it rational for the Cards to go to the Superbowl?

Mecca 02-10-2009 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477130)
You still treat the NFL game like math.

Was it rational for the Cards to go to the Superbowl?

Considering their talent level...

So you should just buck trends and buck odds.

You must hate when I say things like you play to the rule not to be the exception to the rule. But hey that's fine you'll just get burned more often than not.

|Zach| 02-10-2009 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477136)
Considering their talent level...

So you should just buck trends and buck odds.

You must hate when I say things like you play to the rule not to be the exception to the rule. But hey that's fine you'll just get burned more often than not.

I don't hate anything you do.

You overestimate your role in almost everything.

HemiEd 02-10-2009 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477043)
When you read that same shit every single day it becomes draining....

Oh, the irony. ROFL

Mecca 02-10-2009 05:19 PM

Playing to be the exception has really worked for this team, like signing a RB to a 2nd contract.

Basileus777 02-10-2009 05:20 PM

The NFL has become like college basketball and the MLB, whatever team gets hot in the postseason wins it all. In that regard, the Cardinals run isn't so unbelievable.

Though I don't see what connection it has to banking the future of this franchise on Thigpen beating the odds and developing into a franchise QB.

Mecca 02-10-2009 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5477149)
The NFL has become like college basketball and the MLB, whatever team gets hot in the postseason wins it all. In that regard, the Cardinals run isn't so unbelievable.

Though I don't see what connection it has to banking the future of this franchise on Thigpen beating the odds and developing into a franchise QB.

Some sort of underdog thing I'm sure, this market loves underdogs and puts unrealistic hopes in those players.

|Zach| 02-10-2009 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477147)
Playing to be the exception has really worked for this team, like signing a RB to a 2nd contract.

We could be another team that drafts a USC player high that busts.

Mecca 02-10-2009 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477153)
We could draft another bust USC player.

It'd really suck to have Troy Polamalu, but hey atleast USC players get drafted.

|Zach| 02-10-2009 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477154)
It'd really suck to have Troy Polamalu, but hey atleast USC players get drafted.

Well it looks like you don't mind bringing up exceptions either. ROFL

Mecca 02-10-2009 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477157)
Well it looks like you don't mind bringing up exceptions either. ROFL

Yep Carson Palmer he blows too right, or Steve Smith what a bum...

Lets draft Chase Daniel the spread is the future! :rolleyes:

kstater 02-10-2009 05:26 PM

I see an "I'm leaving" thread coming.

RealSNR 02-10-2009 05:28 PM

Oh good Christ.

Somebody bring Deberg in here. Mecca needs to be "entertained"

Mecca 02-10-2009 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5477166)
Oh good Christ.

Somebody bring Deberg in here. Mecca needs to be "entertained"

I'm always entertained.

OnTheWarpath15 02-10-2009 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477130)
You still treat the NFL game like math.

Was it rational for the Cards to go to the Superbowl?

If they had a front office worth a shit, they could have gotten there years ago.

They've wasted more Top 10 picks in the last 10-12 years than any other franchise in the league.

OnTheWarpath15 02-10-2009 05:33 PM

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What's with the Thigpen fixation?
I've seen a lot of name calling, and misdirection, but I've yet to see anyone actually answer this question and state a case for Tyler Thigpen.

I've seen several people make a case against him, but have yet to see anyone actually state a case.

Anyone?

|Zach| 02-10-2009 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477170)
If they had a front office worth a shit, they could have gotten there years ago.

They've wasted more Top 10 picks in the last 10-12 years than any other franchise in the league.

Going into the season or even the post season if I would have talked about the cards going to the big game Mecca would have droned on about how that wasn't rational and how my brain seeped out of my head. Same thing for last year's SB Champion Giants.

Yet a young QB who makes plays happen without much of a support system that has only started 8 games can't get better.

|Zach| 02-10-2009 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477179)
I've seen a lot of name calling, and misdirection, but I've yet to see anyone actually answer this question and state a case for Tyler Thigpen.

I've seen several people make a case against him, but have yet to see anyone actually state a case.

Anyone?

So you didn't read my first post?

You can disagree with it. Thats fine.

Don't act like it didn't get written.

Basileus777 02-10-2009 05:35 PM

No one is saying he can't get better. But to pass on Stafford/Sanchez you have to expect drastic improvement. There's a world of difference there.

Mecca 02-10-2009 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477181)
Going into the season or even the post season if I would have talked about the cards going to the big game Mecca would have droned on about how that wasn't rational and how my brain seeped out of my head. Same thing for last year's SB Champion Giants.

Yet a young QB who makes plays happen without much of a support system that has only started 8 games can't get better.

That's kinda funny seeing how I liked Arizona's talent quite a long time ago...

|Zach| 02-10-2009 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477186)
That's kinda funny seeing how I liked Arizona's talent quite a long time ago...

Yea liking someone's talent sounds like saying they will go to the SB.

Its no big deal really...I would have deserved flac for saying the Cards would have gone to the SB and the Giants would have won it the year before.

Sports are not empirical.

Sports is sports.

Red Beans 02-10-2009 05:37 PM

It's partly because he's a great story. Coastal Carolina, poached from the Vikes practice squad...it's a nice underdog story.

|Zach| 02-10-2009 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477186)
That's kinda funny

Not particularly.

MIAdragon 02-10-2009 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477179)
I've seen a lot of name calling, and misdirection, but I've yet to see anyone actually answer this question and state a case for Tyler Thigpen.

I've seen several people make a case against him, but have yet to see anyone actually state a case.

Anyone?

For the last goddamed time, there is NO FIXATION (though you could make a case for the camp that is on the "we must draft a QB no matter what!!11ONE11" wagon, Thiggey is the BEST QB we have currently on the roster. Now I love to dream about having the next Marino or Elway but you always (well most of us) wake up. Should we draft a QB then great lets see who wins the job. Until then it is what it is.

|Zach| 02-10-2009 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Beans (Post 5477190)
It's partly because he's a great story. Coastal Carolina, poached from the Vikes practice squad...it's a nice underdog story.

Not its not.

Its because he made plays and made the Chiefs get into the endzone. I don't care about his story.

Mecca 02-10-2009 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Beans (Post 5477190)
It's partly because he's a great story. Coastal Carolina, poached from the Vikes practice squad...it's a nice underdog story.

So it goes back to the whole underdog thing where it's more about blue collar hard working guys than guys with real talent...

I've kind of thought that for awhile after I've seen some real no name players get blown up like they were big deals.

|Zach| 02-10-2009 05:39 PM

Yea, people try to shit on Thigpen and other people respond but the fake fixation is on the pro Thigpen people.

Mecca 02-10-2009 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477195)
Not its not.

Its because he made plays and made the Chiefs get into the endzone. I don't care about his story.

He sure didn't in the 2nd halves...or in Cincy for that matter.

MIAdragon 02-10-2009 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Beans (Post 5477190)
It's partly because he's a great story. Coastal Carolina, poached from the Vikes practice squad...it's a nice underdog story.

This is just not true.

OnTheWarpath15 02-10-2009 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477182)
So you didn't read my first post?

You can disagree with it. Thats fine.

Don't act like it didn't get written.

You mean this one?

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477079)
Why can't Thigpen improve?

Forgive me, but I fail to see how you ignoring Mecca's question and asking one of your own is stating a case for Thigpen.

|Zach| 02-10-2009 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477201)
He sure didn't in the 2nd halves...or in Cincy for that matter.

And the QB you draft won't have any room to improve after he starts 8 games?

And that would even be comparing apples to oranges...your guy would get a training camp to work in the offense.
ROFL

|Zach| 02-10-2009 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477207)
You mean this one?



Forgive me, but I fail to see how you ignoring Mecca's question and asking one of your own is stating a case for Thigpen.

Nah...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...4&postcount=37

Mecca 02-10-2009 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477207)
You mean this one?



Forgive me, but I fail to see how you ignoring Mecca's question and asking one of your own is stating a case for Thigpen.

I think what gets me is there are several well reasoned arguments that can be made for why he isn't the guy, pointing those out is somehow bad and asking for just 1 reasoned one in return isn't cool either.

I don't get that.

Mecca 02-10-2009 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477209)
And the QB you draft won't have any room to improve after he starts 8 games?

And that would even be comparing apples to oranges...your guy would get a training camp to work in the offense.
ROFL

Atleast my guy could properly drop back from center and operate in an NFL offense.


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