Texas busts taken in the top ten...
 

Someone posted a list of University of Texas players taken top 10, who all turned out to be busts. Anyone know where that was posted, or could refer me to a good source?

let's see...

michael huff
leonard davis
mike williams
cedric benson
quintin jammer
roy williams (hasn't produced like a top ten pick)

that's off the top of my head.

Vince Young

and jammer hasn't been the 'game changer' he was billed as. not necessarily a bust, but not 'all world' like he was supposed to be.

GAH. knew I was missing somebody.

you can't say vince is a bust yet. QB is tough and some of these guys don't figure it out for several years. its not lookin' good though.

kerry "glassjaw" collins beat him out. young=bust

Soon to be added Senor Orakpo.

CHRIS SIMMS
PRIEST HOLMES
RW MCQUARTERS
CC BROWN
CiCi's PIZZA

Texas is just one of those schools that doesn't prepare players very well.

I believe all the top 10 guys were covered...if you take it to just 1st round or the school in general the list is not impressive...

They prepared pretty well for the 2006 Rose Bowl.

And that has what to do with the NFL?

It's called a joke, USC fan.

Roy Williams is a multiple pro bowler, and now that Davis has switched to guard he has been to a pro bowl and is a top five guard.

Not a Texas fan at all. (CU) but ill bet this thread seemed like a good idea in theory, but when researched it wasn't as loaded with big name busts like imagined. Jammer is decent enough to have been labeled a minor probowl snub and Leonard Davis is a recent probowl guard. Benson is gonna be a starting HB somewhere next yr and Vince Young will get a few more chances before eventually busting. Meanwhile Roy Williams has turned out better than most recent top 10 WRs, he's part of the better case scenario discussion.

Pretty piss poor list that makes the point the other way. HSN1 if I may ask. Who is your favorite college team?
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what is the deal with being named Mike Williams. Cedric benson will work out eventually even if it means getting garbage stats.

There isn't a team in the league that would go into the draft hoping to find a pro bowl, or even top 5 guard in the league, with the #2 overall pick.

I've heard Mike Mayock describe Texas players under Brown as being soft and ill prepared for the NFL. Like it's a country club atmosphere down there. :shrug:

That's pretty much how everyone describes it. On the other hand, that country club atmosphere seems to keep some guys from leaving for the NFL before their senior year.

Quentin Jammer was a bust for his first 4 years in the league, but now he is one of the best DBs in the league.

He's become a good corner, but you're taking it a bit far.

People don't take guards #2 generally, but Davis is at worst, still the 4th best player of that particular top 10 (depending on how you rank Vick and if should still be considered a better choice). LT, Seymour, Vick, Davis, Andre Carter and maybe Justin Smith are the only 6 of that top 10 that shoulda been 1st rounders at all.
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None of that matters.

A #2 overall pick at LT who has to move to guard because he sucks ass playing LT is a bust, regardless of his success at guard.

what about Ricky Williams????

What is the cutoff point? Early teens? When B. Albert gets. Moved to Guard for good, will he be considered a bust? I concur. You are absolutely right, my apologies.
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First, Branden Albert is not going to be moved to guard.

Second, even if he were moved it wouldn't be a bust because in the end it would have to be viewed as a failed project, whereas Davis was supposed to be the next great LT.

Moran.

I concur.

The list doesn't mean much unless you compare it to other schools with players taken in the Top 10. How have Ohio State, OU, Florida, or USC players taken in the top 10 done?

The point I've been trying to make is that this is just a weak thread. If I open a bust list thread, I expect an Art Schlicter, Ryan Leaf, David Klingler, or Curtis Enis to be waiting there. Not a list containing scattered starters and an occasional Pro Bowler. Just seems to me that someone(s) got carried away with Mike Huff and decided to force everyone else from that school into the bust discussion.

That's a wonderful spin on the "failed project" vs "bust" tag, It reminds me to set my DVR on saturday when NFL network is running their "Top 10 Failed Projects who are absolutely not busts because they are on my favorite team" show.

I know about project picks in the later rounds (Antonio Gates, Eric Crouch, Brad Smith, and others ) But, KC must be the only team taking "projects" in the top 15.
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I don't recall him being a multiple pro bowler. He was an alternate one year that was moved to the active squad due to injury, IIRC.

Ohio State probably has the best track record just going off the top of my head.

I think Cedrick Benson is certainly a dumb**** enough to be called a bust.

How many of those ****s were taken in the last 30 years?

He was a five time pro bowler.

I disagree. The draft is a crap shoot, even in the top five. It's not a certain proposition that a top five pick is going to be better than a 4th or 5th rounder. I think any player that turns into one of the best at his position for several years has to be seen as a success.

Crap! I was thinking of the safety. I'm an idiot. You're right. the wr was only an alternate once.

Nobody's drafting a guard in the top 5. He'd make as much or more in his rookie contract than the highest-paid veteran guard in the league. It's not a blue chip position (ie DE, DT, QB, RB, CB, WR). Same reason tight ends and safeties usually go mid first (although some safeties have gone as high as 6).

Better than bad does not = good.

Roy Williams the safety is proof positive of the idiocy of the Pro Bowl selection process. That **** makes Bernard Pollard look like Troy Polamalu.

But is he a bust?

If he doesn't make it at left tackle, it means you're stuck spending another draft pick and draft pick contract, or free agent dollars, on another left tackle. So you're spending left tackle money on two linemen because he failed to meet expectations. That's a bust in my book.

Same would go for a CB you had to convert to safety. Busted pick.

What about Ricky Williams? He better than some high-end draft picks.

He may have turned into a lazy pothead, but He's better than Rashaan Salaam or Ki Jana Carter, etc. He had a few good years in.

And none of those guys were taken in the top 10

Because, you are looking for, "A few good years" from the most replaceable position in football when taken in the top five.

When you spend a pick that high on a running back, you are hoping for Adrian Peterson, not Ricky Williams.

I'm guessing we've been burned so many times by first round draft picks that we'll consider any success, no matter how small, a quality pick.

Would Earl Campbell do?

Pretty much, it's a good way to sum up why some still don't think Hali was a bad pick.

Larry Johnson has 1750 twice, Priest Holmes had 1500 twice and more than 1400 a third time. It's not like you're talking hall of famer here.

Because I want to spend the #5 pick on a RB who cleared 1500 yards and 10 TDs once in his entire career and who has a career YPA of 4.0

That is a ridiculous argument. A bust is a player who provides no more than minimal value to a team. A disappointment? Yes. A bust? No.

Calling him a bust as a pro is like calling Kerry Meier a bust as a college player. Maybe he didn't reach his full potential as a QB, but he has certainly provided a lot of value even if it is at a lesser position.

What is the title of the thread, you stupid ****?

I'm just hoping for someone better than Ryan Sims. Perhaps our expectations are different...

I think we need to take the original post into consideration, too. You cannot blame Texas, their coaching, scouting or anything else for what made Ricky fall short. Everyone knows it was Ditka who corrupted him... that pothead.

You people need to let Sims go. You don't hope for an average player in the top 5 or 10. You need a guy who is going to be among the best players at his position for years.

I guess that Lawrence Phillips, Ryan Leaf, and Rae Carruth were also derailed by unforeseen circumstances, since they all had the physical talent to play in the league.

A player who fails to produce at the position he was drafted to play is a bust. End of story.

And expectations are even higher for top picks. They're expected not just to succeed, but play at a high level for years

If you draft a guy to play left tackle at 2 and he plays there for 10 years with a few pro bowls, you've gotten your money's worth. If the guy doesn't play at that level, but he's been your starter for a few years (think John Tait, but drafted #2 instead of 14), he's a disappointment, but he's at least produced at the position. If the guy you spent the number 2 pick on ends up at guard, he's a bust. Period.

Robert Gallery is not what you're looking for in the top 5.

No I'm not. No one who drafted any of those guys would have done so had they known about those "unforeseen circumstances" off the field. But guess what--that's why guys drop due to "character concerns".

I'm not the one playing fast and loose with an argument saying that Ricky Williams can't be viewed negatively because he pissed away his talent and that Ryan Leaf, Phillips, and Carruth can.

Ricky Williams will likely end his career among the top 25 running backs in NFL history in terms of yardage. He's a lot of things, but he's not a bust.

8615 yards would put him at number 30 all time. He finished this season with 7771.

I'm seeing a therapist. He just hurt me so much...

But this draft pick is going to be MUCH better *optimism*

And he got all those yards seeing double from the bong resin. That's gotta count for something, like Mickey Mantle hitting most of his homers while seeing three baseballs coming at him. :-)

Ryan Sims being brought up, this fan base really is motivated by fear.

Nobody's arguing that he's a good pick who lived up to his draft position...just that he's not a bust.

Yes, I would call a player a disappointment that succeeds in a lesser position than for what he was drafted. But a bust to me is a player that isn't starting or is staring but clinging to his spot out of the league in a few years.

Casey Hampton wasn't even a 1st round pick so let's not start skewing shit here.

Are you guys talking about the same Roy Williams?

A top 5 pick failing as a OT and then playing guard makes him a bum.

Hampton was, Rogers wasnt.

If I'm spending a top-5 pick on a running back, I want LaDainian Tomlinson, not Ricky Williams. Regardless of where he falls on the all-time yardage list, nobody is ever going to include his name in any historical running back discussion. Unless it's a bust discussion.

Keep in mind that this is the guy for which the Saints traded away an entire draft, and they got 3000 yards out of him. Total.

That's a bust if there ever was one.

Billy Ray, thats not the point of this thread.

That might be true for a player drafted in the middle or late rounds. We're not only talking first round picks, we're talking high first round picks. They're expected to produce at a high level.

Clearly you don't understand the difference between a bust and a disappointment.

If you go out with a girl you've heard is slutty and only get a handjob afterwords, that's a disappointment. If she orders the most expensive thing on the menu and then leaves with Tony Gonzalez, that's a bust.

Ok I confused him with the other fat guy from Texas....it happens.

That's not a bust. Ryan Leaf was a bust. Tony Mandarich was a bust. Todd Blackledge was a bust. Akili Smith was a bust. Cade McNown was a bust. Mike Williams was a bust.

A guy who will finish his career with 9,000 rushing yards and 60 touchdowns is not a bust.

Show me where I said he was a bust. What he is, is a goddamned disappointment.

Left tackle is one of the most important (and expensive) positions on the roster. Teams do not spend premium draft picks and high-dollar rookie contracts on players thinking "gee, it'll be okay if he fails at LT, we can just plug him in at guard". Guard is a position filled by mid- to low-round players and journeyman free agents, the highest-paid of whom don't make as much as Jake Long did last year in his rookie contract. A player drafted to play left tackle who ends up at right tackle is a disappointment. A player drafted to play left tackle who ends up at guard or anywhere else is a bust.

I'm not going to waste any more of my time arguing with someone who can't grasp that simple truth.

The Saints gave up the 12th pick, the 71st pick, the 107th pick, the 144th pick, the 179th pick and the 218th pick of the 1999 draft, AND the 2nd and 64th picks of the 2000 draft for Ricky Williams.

That's EIGHT picks for one player.

That's why he's not only a bust, he's one of the most monumental busts in NFL history. You can't even discuss him the same way you discuss other picks. Because a team traded their entire draft for him. You don't do that for a guy who gets suspended twice and spends a year playing in canada, a guy who only once in 9 years surpassed 1500 yards and/or 10 TDs.

You are a flipping idiot. Jake Long is one of the highest paid players at any position in the NFL. Does that then mean that anyone who makes less than him is a bust if they were taken in the top 5 of the draft?

A Guard is nowhere near as important as a Left Tackle, but it's a clearly HOF worthy position. It's not a Long Snapper or a Holder or a Kicker or a Punter. Hell, I'd draft Will Shields over Tony Gonzalez right now if you gave me the chance.

If I drafted a player number 3 to be Willie Roaf and he turned out to be Will Shields, I'm laughing at the guy who drafted a player at number four to be Peyton Manning and got Ryan Leaf.

I'd call that a waste of a draft pick, since we drafted a left tackle in the middle of the first round last year. And he played at a high level.

A guard is not a position you spend a top-5 pick on, as I mentioned in the post you quoted.

If you can't participate in the discussion like somebody over the age of 5, than I've got not use for you. Welcome to ignore.

I'm sure Green Bay shares your sentiment, given that they could have gotten Derrick Thomas, Barry Sanders, or Deion, and went the safe route and selected Mandarich.

I would, I could get a productive guard that makes a fraction of what Smith makes rounds later while also getting another player in the top 5.