Chiefs Going 3-4 -Adam Shefters Blog
 

Posted: Adam Schefter | Adam Schefter | Tags: Glenn Dorsey, Kansas City Chiefs

Kansas City announced its coaching staff this week. What it didn’t announce is that the Chiefs are planning to switch to a 3-4 defense.

Under the guidance of new defensive coaches Clancy Pendergast and Gary Gibbs, the Chiefs are turning to the defense that has done so well for Pittsburgh and is back in vogue in the NFL. The Chiefs are going 3-4.

Now Kansas City is going to have to tailor its personnel accordingly. But what is most intriguing and mysterious about it is where last year’s first-round pick, defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey, fits in. Dorsey might not be stout enough to play nose tackle in a 3-4, and he might not be big enough to play end in that style of defense.

One year after becoming Kansas City’s top pick, there now are questions about Dorsey’s role.

But the changes now are coming fast and furious in Kansas City, mainly on defense.



Discuss

PhilFree:arrow:

I remember before last year's draft they were saying Dorsey aka "Catfish" would make a great end in the 3-4.

Help me make Catfish stay...perfect nickname

I admit I'm not that knowledgable on DL skill-sets. Since he may not be a good NT, is he too "slow" to be an end?

DEs in a 3-4 scheme are meant to take up blockers and allow the the rush backers to get to the QB.

And this doucheschnozzle knows anything how?

It might happen, but I'm claiming that Adam doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. He's guessing.

Good news IMO.

No, the fast guys in a 3-4 are the OLBs. They play hand in the dirt, standing up, and coverage.....

the end in a 3-4 plays in the C-gap area depending on play call, but usually in that area

This draft is deep with rush backers this year. Look for a couple taken in the draft.

Catfish's strength will help him there

Yes it is. Look for some FA acquisitions as well.


PhilFree:arrow:

Hali as a rush backer or an end?

I know we have several picks on the Dline in the past few drafts.......


with this news though we could take BJ Raji from Boston College.

He supposedly will make a dominant 3-4 NT

Bart Scott would be a solid fit.

Tank may be big enough to play NT and is freakishly strong

STRENGTHS
Body Control and Balance
Quickness off Ball
Size
AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT
Change of Direction


Raji is a big, physical lineman who commands a lot of attention. He's a good athlete who has a solid burst off the line, plays with leverage, and bull rushes opponents up the field. He has a quick first step, immediately penetrates upfield and makes plays in the backfield. He displays great strength and has an advantage against the opposition with his initial push. – Chris Steuber, Scout.com Draft Projection: 1st Round

BJ Raji here we come!

I keed, I keed.

This is great news.
And I can now realistically see Raji being the guy.

I think this makes it easier to swallow the defensive hires, especially Gibbs who seems more suited to a 3-4 but ended up having to institute a 4-3 in NO I believe...

Here is news from the Senior Bowl


In the first two days of practice, no player has been more dominant defensively than B.J. Raji, the 6'2" 335 pound defensive tackle out of Boston College. Not only has he dominated in the one-on-one drills against the best centers in the draft, he has also been impressive in the individual position drills. Raji has shown excellent upper body strength, as well as quick feet for his size.

He has a knack for busting through the line and creating havoc in the backfield, and if he continues the pace he is on, he will cement his status as a top 15 pick in the draft.

Hali is a fraud.

who doesn't like Casey Hampton?????


B.J. Raji's Scouting Report
By Matt McGuire


Strengths: Elite size, bulk, and strength to play defensive tackle in the NFL and hold up against the bigger offensive linemen ... Complete wall in the middle of the defensive line against the run ... Somewhat athletic with fluid hips ... End-to-end defender who can make plays outside of the phone booth ... Best pass rush move is the bull rush ... Very strong hands, occasionally manhandles opponents ... Tough and plays through pain ... Solid stamina despite his size ... Able to play the highly valuable 3-4 nose tackle/zero technique.

Weaknesses: Outside of the bull rush, Raji does not have much of a pass rush repertoire ... Does not consistently dominate as much as you want him to as a pass rusher ... Has a tendency to get too high ... Misses easy tackles ... Not much experience.

Summary: Raji is a very talented player with high upside, but his lack of experience worries me. If Gerald McCoy does not declare, Raji is likely the first defensive tackle off the board. Raji was suspended for the 2007 season for academic reasons; however, it was not a GPA issue rather it being with not earning enough credits. This will not hurt his draft status.

Player Comparison: Casey Hampton. Hampton might generate more sacks if he were in a 4-3 system rather than taking on two gaps. Raji and Hampton have a similar physical presence on the line of scrimmage, especially against the run.

He'd have to be a rush backer, but that means he'd have to learn to drop into coverage some plays too, I have no idea what to think about that. He's athletic, sure - so maybe he makes the transition. But he's been losing value lately, either from scheme or personal play ability, on the end in a 4-3, so I gotta think they try it, or cut him.

Excellent.

Opens up the draft choices in the first a little. Raji, Curry and Brown (if they have good workouts) have shots.

Pioli and most smart football people said/say that you build a great football team from the inside out, start with the trenches

No. The switch to the 3-4 pretty much seals Hali's fate. He's too slow to be a rush backer and not big enough to play DE.

If anything....I can see either of these FAs coming into town.

Chris Canty DE
Igor Olshansky DE

Switching to the 3-4 eh?

Welcome to the Dark Side.

agreed....Hali has no place in 3-4

BYE BYE HALI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love it becaus eyou can change from the 30 to 40 fronts so easy.

Casey Weeeeegman was on Sirius radio yesterday talking about how hard the 3-4 multi fron is on a Center

There is no way in hell the Chiefs tie up huge money into another DT with the 3rd pick.

Olshansky is someone I was high on coming out of the draft. San Diego took him and we got stuck with Junior (spitter) Siavaii:cuss:

Wow, it wasn't that long ago that Raji was kind of a reach for the Broncos at #12.

Well, he did know that Shanny wasn't set to be the next head coach of the Chiefs.

Soon everyone will run a 3-4.

Then a rebel team will come along and run a 4-3 and have success w/ it and then everyone will start switching back...

Copycat league

Olshansky was decent his first 3 years, but I found it very odd that he had his worst season last year during a contract season. I don't think he'll be very good next year.

i'm fine with it even if means an extra year on top of everything to rebuild...easier to find and replace 3-4 LBs than 4-3 DE's.....once you find a NT, that is....

just blow the whole god damned thing up

This could be the guys that have the hard on for Sanchez worst nightmare.

If we do that....there is going to be a HUGE turnover.

The funny thing is......is that Turk would actually fit into our defense...where he didn't before.

Geez. A lot of teams are switching to the 3-4 these days. Will certainly make getting the right players much more difficult.

jesus when did petro become such a whiny bidge.....i wish someone would kill every radio host in kc

Why?

Don't answer.
I already know your answer.

That's just my way of saying it's a stupid ****ing post.

They might need some help switching to 3 -4.

A source close to Romeo Crennel said Tuesday night the former Cleveland head coach and former New England defensive coordinator is not close to joining the Kansas City staff as a defensive coordinator. It is possible, at some point, the source said, that Crennel could join former New England colleague Scott Pioli as a defensive consultant.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0...and-notes.html

HAY I GOT AN IDEA HOW BOUTS WE TRADE HALI AND DORSEY FOR 2 1ST ROUNDERS???

This switch will attract Peppers who want to play OLB in a 3-4

what is he saying?

Someone will take Dorsey for sure. Probably New Orleans.

We could probably only get a 2nd or 3rd for Hali. /first dipshit in/

Why would New Orleans want Dorsey? They already have Ellis tied up in a big contract.

I'll answer anyway, because now there are more options for us to draft at that spot. Raji and Curry are now legit options. Doesn't still mean we won't take Sanchez, but it does lower the percentage.

DJ........Tank...Raji...Catfish.......Peppers
..............Barton.....Scott

front 7

Did you miss the /dipshit/ part of my post?

just bitching about not knowing what is going on....lame lame lame

Curry is still not a legitimate option.

Curry is less of an option in a 3-4 because he's not a rush backer. You don't take a ILB in a 3-4 with a top 5 pick. Raji may be an option if they find a way to get rid of Dorsey. Especially considering that we can grab Brace in the 2nd round to play NT.

Yep I did....sorry...its early.

DJ.......Turk...Tank...Catfish......Peppers
..............Curry....Scott

either way looks better than what we had

Did going to the 3-4 magically transform Curry into a dominant rush backer?

Is that why he's now a legit option? Because I'm having a difficult time understanding the logic.

This switch, if it indeed happens, didn't do anything to alter the value of the players on the board.

He's bitching that the Chiefs are keeping the titles of the assistant coaches secret but telling Schefter that they are switching to a 3-4.

Since, you know, Schefter is now right about everything he posts since he was right about the Rat.

Petro is another that lost alot of access once Carl and his cronies left.

so shefter knows that we are going to the 3-4 but still doesn't know WHO our defensive coordinator is?

:spock:

I wouldn't like that pick either, but it could be more justfiable. If you go defense now, I think Raji is the guy, unless someone like Brown runs a sub 4.5 forty or something crazy.

This is all I see.


$$$$$......Turk.....Tank.....$$$$......$$$$$$
........$$$$$$..............$$$$$$

Scott Wright says Curry could play inside or outside in a 3-4.

It may not make Curry more of an option, but it would make Brown more of an option, depending on the combine results.

I would still rather have Sanchez, though. :cuss:

:LOL:

true but we got 40 mill baby

If they switch to a 3-4 they'll keep Hali. He seems more built (6'3 270) to be an OLB in a 3-4 which is where I'm sure they would move him, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was successful there.

That's fine. And I'm sure he'll be a solid player in the league.

That said, the mother****er has to be a freak of nature to be taken #3 overall as a backer.

Everything I've seen and read suggests he's not this level of freak. The value on the board didn't change.

so does Mayock.

Yes he does, and I respect Scott Wright's opinion.

However it is speculation on his part.

He also says "...Pass rush repertoire is limited...Marginal change of direction skills.."

Could be a problem.

He may be built for it, but he lacks the speed for it.

Hali has no place in a 34.

Mayock also said his only weakness is he tends to over pursue, and cutbacks are a bitch for people who over pursue ESPECIALLY in the NFL

Denvers 1 cut and down hill would be a nightmare for a guy who overpursues

yep. I recall when kevin greene was with the carolina panthers and EVERYBODY and their grandmother ran the 3-4. then, it went back to the 4-3... and now it's back again.

I'm sure they'll try him there to see. He's one of the few players on d right now that fits.

I hope we can see hali getting freed up on the outside when we were in a 4-3 he was getting blocked alot

so, if we get curry, we've effectively tied up 100 million dollars (god, I feel like dr. evil saying that) into a 3-4 DE (who aren't high dollar playes) and an ILB for the 3-4 (once again, not your high dollar players--those would be the rushbackers)

that's ****ing reeruned.

Hali...........Turk...Tank...Catfish........Peppers
.....................DJ.......Scott

less cash version

and still get sanchez

Just because a player can play more than one position doesn't mean they are great at more than one position.

If we go to a 3-4 we aren't going to get a tackle at #3

No he's not.

The OLB has to have the speed to get around the edge, and the primary reason that Hali failed at RDE is that he didn't have the speed to get around the edge, so he was easy to contain.