HALEY SPEAKS. BE STILL MY HEART.
 

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/1041866.html

Nutshell: they didn't announce titles for the coaches because the staff isn't complete yet, and they'll be able to be flexible with the coaches' roles depending on who else is hired. But Bill Muir is definitely the o-line coach.

He hasn't decided whether to call his own plays and hasn't decided on a defensive scheme. The latter will be decided once they evalute all the players. He thinks Dorsey is good enough to play either way.

I like Haley. I wish I could offer something more substantive other than "he sounds like a good coach."

Both good things to hear, I would say.

I wonder what that says about Gibbs and Pendergast
and the friction it could cause latter

“There had been no contact and it was pure speculation, but there were a couple of days sitting in Arizona that I thought maybe I should throw in some tape of Kansas City, just in case. I didn’t do it because I thought it would be a disservice to my team there and my boss there, so I never did it.”

I like this attitude. You go, Todd.

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our front office is at least good at hiring who they want..."so, we want you to come work for us, but we're not sure what scheme were gonna use or what your job is going to be.."


"OK, Im in"

Looks like the only "for sure" position coach locks are Muir (Haley said so) and Dedric Ward (because WTF else would he coach?)

Who knows. The St Loser Lambs won a Super Bowl with co-defensive coordinators, so it's not out of the realm of possibility we could see that here...

I really doubt it.

Well, whatever it is it can't be less effective than last year...

The "this late in the game" comment probably indicates that this season will be one of flushing out himself as well as a coaching staff and player roster. I sincerely doubt that either will be what you see in season two, but it's good to see that he is willing to surround himself with experience to get the job done correctly. I'm all for a three year window for a coach to show progress. It does take time to build a team and as he stated, this is his first go-round and wants to get it as right as he can with the tools being handed to him. And Haley gets the benefit of coming into a 2-14 team. There is room for a lot of improvement.

Seems okay so far.

Uh... I think that Dorsey is gonna get a bonfire lit under his ass this season.

I just hope the guy isn't in over his head.

I think it's amazing that he's able to hire all these coaches without giving any of them titles, knowing they could be anywhere from coordinator to position coach. Yet they all came because they're all connected to the Parcells "family", so to speak.

Who's the mystery coach? Crennel? I haven't been following any updates today, I don't know if he's in the running or not. Who else would he be looking to slide into a DC role?

I think its safe to say Crennel is the wildcard.

Well, they're going to deserve quite a few prop things if they're able to sweet-talk Romeo into joining the club. But, I guess if anybody could do it ...

I've never heard of a franchise hiring coaches in this manner ... we want you to work for us, but we don't know what you'll be doing? Wow.

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The reason I think Krummie was kept was to keep a member of the old staff on board to help the new guys know the players. Heck we only had Gunther and Gibbs as the other defensive coaches and they are gone. Its a crappy reason but you see it alot.

By the same braying ass that taught him nothing last year.

Then why wouldn't you keep Gibbs? Hell, his unit at least played reasonably well, they didn't set an all-time record for futility.

I honestly don't think Dorsey could ever be an effective NT (lack of size AND strength) and not likely to be a great 4-3 DT (unless Krumrie/scheme really were THAT bad).. so if that make him a bust because he becomes a great 3-4 De.. I am ok with that... He lacks the typical height but he plays well in space so... hard to say at this point.

Just as long as he isn't a COMPLETE bust like so many of our other DT picks have been of late... I will swallow that we picked him to high for the role he eventual may fill.

And don't mention TRADE value... unless he proves his worth with US, no one is gonna give up value for him regardless.

I think it's a little early to be talking about Dorsey and his greatness or lack thereof. There's a lot of factors involved in the development of an interior defensive lineman, and the quality of play isn't always easy to judge without knowing what everybody in the front 7 is being asked to do, and how well they're all doing it. It's also not often a position where players hit the ground running.

Very fair.. but I was not sold on him as a top pick last year and was not completely suprised he dropped to us.. I was happy that he did since the guys I wanted were gone and he seemed to be the consensus "steal" at the time...

I still hold out hope that it was amixture of coaching/scheme/misc. that made him look so completely lost last year... but all I'm saying is that I just PRAY that he doesn't end up a complete waste ala Ryan Sims

I'm not sure about it, but I may actually buy into the theory that they quietly asked him to add weight last offseason and it cost him the explosiveness he showed in college. I think he may have played at 315 or 320 even though the roster said 297.

He's never been a fireplug, he's got the makings of an undertackle, a disruptive guy. I think having him take up space and occupy blockers last year was a mistake, regardless of his playing weight.

And he's already worth more than Ryan Sims ever was. We'll see what he turns into.

I sincerely hope you are right.I would love to see us play a hybrid 3-4/4-3 defense with a ton of looks... and IF (big if) Tank can be a passable NT at times (doubt he is an ALL GAME NT) and Dorsey can play DT in the 4-3 and DE in the 3-4... we could do alright.

Lots of ifs at this point....

If we go 3-4, Tank's development may be the most important thing for the defense this offseason.

Because even if Dorsey can work successfully like Seymour does, we still (badly) need a Wilfork. And I don't think we can afford to do it early on someone like Raji, not a year after using the 5 on Dorsey and with the best chance we may ever have at drafting a franchise quarterback, assuming we believe there's one and he's there to pick.

I honestly believe Tank could do it in a PART TIME role... I just don't think he has the endurance of the "great" NTs out there... but who the hell knows until he tries it

It would probably help his endurance if the defense could manage to get themselves off the field occasionally.

touche

I can't wait to see what Haley can do with D-Bowe. I mean, Haley actually made Fitzgerald better. That is some awesome ****ing coaching ability if you can make Larry ****ing Fitzerald better than he was previously.

I think it is amazing that people honestly think that these guys don't know what the situation is. I am sure the parameters have been laid out as to what will decide who does what.

I am not questioning his honesty, because I believe him when he says that things aren't 100% decided. But, they aren't a bunch of guys in a room drawing straws to see who is coordinator.

I also believe Haley when he says he hasn't made up his mind about the defensive scheme. The thing I like about him is he is willing to do what his players do best. That is why he and Gailey will work well together.

He is at least playing coy a little as far as defensive scheme because the only way they go 4-3 this year is if free agency and the draft doesn't go the way they'd like.

Otherwise, they will be a 3-4. It helps too many defensive players already on the roster not to go to it eventually.

Honestly, Dorsey did as well as many top DT picks have done over the last few years. To compare him to Sims is laughable.

I think he will handle the transition to the 3-4 much better than people think.

Dorsey constantly took up blockers in college. There is no lack of strength that you speak of. He is agile and strong. It will be interesting to see what the Chiefs do with him because he can bulk up and play NT, or go outside and play end.

I think the reason that Krumrie was kept is because both Jared Allen and Aaron Schobel had their breakout years under his coaching. I think he was kept because he is very well respected in the league.

I am not saying that he won't eventually be replaced. Or that there isn't a better coach in the league. I just think the typical fans opinion of him, much like the typical fans opinion of Dick Curl, isn't shared by the professionals that actually play and coach football for a living.

How about they use some of those prop things to prop him up on the sideline and coach us a defense...one hip, two hips, whatever.

I'm guessing most of these guys were out of work, so some paycheck is better than no paycheck. But I would assume there is a rank and file order within that paycheck system with the DC making more than the LB coach. Let's hope we get honest evaluations out of these coaches, and not have a competition for who gets the most money.

Seriously, we will wheel him wherever his port-a-bed needs to be...all he needs out of the gate is time with film....we'll wait a few months for him to get his hands dirty.

Can you read? The man flat out said that they're not all clearly defined, and that they have at least one more hire they're considering...the bulk of these guys know what they'll do, but Gibbs/Pendergast seems to be legitimately swaying some...but they're likely equals...if we end up without Crennel and just these two - they'll be co-DCs.

There is SOME sway, but the reality is that these guys are not clueless as to how it will all play out. They know that if x happens, I will have this job. And, if Y happens, I will have that job.

:shrug: I thought I could. :sulk:

I think Crennel still comes in ans serves as the defensive guru.

Oh man, I'm sorry, that unjustifiable morning spite was directed elsewhere I believe, I think I quoted the wrong post, I meant to quote the one about everyone being idiots for thinking they actually didn't have titles yet...just because that's exactly what the guy said....apologies! o:-)

I like the philosophy in building a scheme around your football players and not trying to make your players fit into your scheme, like Herm did. Herm ran a scheme and made his players try to fit in on Offense and Defense. I think he finally realized that wasn't going to work any longer when Thigpen became the starter and LJ was out of the lineup. I like what I am seeing so far. Bring in Crennel!

ROFL you were doing fine until you mentioned Dick Curl:doh!:

Sanchez isn't a franchise QB.

Isnt he taking off a year or something because of a surgery he had?

No problem! :thumb:

You are awful nice to the n00bs.

[QUOTE=King_Chief_Fan;5507118]ROFL you were doing fine until you mentioned Dick Curl:doh!:[/QUOTE

Odd how Dick Curl has a job in the NFL again so quickly. I mean, what with him being SO incompetent and all.

Meanwhile... is Terry Shea employed?

Now that we have a coaching staff that knows how to coach and use receivers I would be happy with Crabtree at #3. Under Herm it would have been a wasted pick.

Exactly what keeps entering my thoughts. Pioli said he wanted coaches and players that can put their ego aside and all work together in the same direction. The way they are going about assembling the coaching staff sure seems to reflect Pioli's philosophy.

I expect we will see these same attributes in the FA's they sign. People who can put ego aside and work as a team.

I sure hope so. I'm tired of the Johnsonesque "They don't deserve me" attitude.