****Official NFL Scouting Combine 2009 Thread****
 

With the Combine starting today, I thought it would be nice to have a thread with all updates from the Combine all in one place. Any player discussion from Indianapolis is welcome here.

I'm excited to see how the rush backers do, and if there will be a guy in the second that we will be as pumped about as we were about Flowers being there last year.

The way I understand it nothing starts until Saturday

Beat me to it.

I'll get this stickied for the weekend.

Should be fun.

Not having the NFL Network anymore sucks. I enjoyed watching the combine and getting the analysis that went along with the drills.

This and a couple of games is about the entire reason I get the NFL Network.

Do they show weigh ins or anything today?

I'm in a temporary apartment situation right now, so all I can get is time-warner. I wish I had an alternative.

Thursday, Feb. 19

Offensive linemen, tight ends & kickers/punters: Measurements (height, weight, arms, hands), physical exams, Wonderlic Test, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Quarterbacks, wide receivers & running backs: Pre-physical exams and X-rays, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Friday

Offensive linemen & tight ends: NFLPA meeting, Wonderlic Test, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Kickers/punters: NFLPA meeting, workouts (40, 3-cone drill, 20-yard and 60-yard shuttles, bench press, vertical jump, broad jump), interviews with NFL team personnel.

Quarterbacks, wide receivers & running backs: Measurements (height, weight, arms, hands), physical exams, Wonderlic Test, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Defensive linemen & linebackers: Pre-physical exams and X-rays, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Saturday

Offensive linemen & tight ends: Workouts (40, 3-cone drill, 20-yard and 60-yard shuttles, bench press, vertical jump, broad jump).

Quarterbacks, wide receivers & running backs: NFLPA meeting, Wonderlic Test, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Defensive linemen & linebackers: Measurements (height, weight, arms, hands), physical exams, Wonderlic Test, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Cornerbacks & safeties: Prephysical exams and X-rays, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Sunday

Quarterbacks, wide receivers & running backs: Workouts (40, 3-cone drill, 20-yard and 60-yard shuttles, bench press, vertical jump, broad jump).

Defensive linemen & linebackers: NFLPA meeting, Wonderlic Test, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Cornerbacks & safeties: Measurements (height, weight, arms, hands), physical exams, Wonderlic Test, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Monday

Defensive linemen & linebackers: Workouts (40, 3-cone drill, 20-yard and 60-yard shuttles, bench press, vertical jump, broad jump).

Cornerbacks & safeties: NFLPA meeting, Wonderlic Test, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Tuesday

Cornerbacks & safeties: Workouts (40, 3-cone drill, 20-yard and 60-yard shuttles, bench press, vertical jump, broad jump).

The Chiefs do have reps there

Oher says he talked with several teams at combine
Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:22:26 -0800

University of Mississippi OT Michael Oher said among the teams he as talked with at the NFL Scouting Combine are the Cincinnati Bengals, the Chicago Bears, the St. Louis Rams and the Kansas City Chiefs.

Michael Oher somehow only managed to check in at 6'4" and above 300 pounds. This is strange because he measured in at nearly 6'6" at the Senior Bowl. I know this sounds far fetched, but it's reported all over the internet.

Herman Johnson has lost nearly 20 pounds since the Senior Bowl, weighing in at like 364 pounds.

Eben Britton checked in very well at 6'6" 310 pounds

Eugene Monroe checked in at 6'5" and a shade under 310

Max Unger checked in at 6'5" and a shade under 310

Andre Smith did check in at the rumored height and weight at 6'4" 332

Jason Smith checked in at 6'6" 310 pounds as well

A lot of these lineman came to the combine very well prepared, but Michael Oher's situation is pretty awkward, but I'm sure it will be clarified soon enough, because nearly 2 inches is a drastic difference when it comes to this kind of deal.

Alex Boone: 6'8", 328

William Beatty gained 16 lbs since the Senior Bowl weighing in at 6'6" 307

How is that even possible? Talk about shrinkage.

His entire body must be made of penis skin.

Great size, he should be the first lineman taken.

Chase Daniel should get measured today. What's everyone's guess? I'm going with 5'11 3/4"

5'9 1/2"

haha

ROFLROFLROFL....that might be generous.

Sanchez and Stafford are just about the same size.

"The QBs were compared and Stafford 6.2 1/4" 225 and Sanchez 6.2 1/8" 227 were about the same size but it was noted how much smaller they looked compared to Josh Freeman 6.5 3/4" 248 who looked big and prototypical. "

Ouch.

Those watching, feel free to update those of us without the network.

6'3" 230.

Macklin said Daniel
measured in at 6'
at the combine http://www.nfl.com/combine/players?f...&filterCond=QB

Look at that the people who questioned Sanchez size, he's bigger than Stafford is.

OK here are the bench results:

TE
Beckum 28
Casey 28
Gronkowski 26
Morrah 24
Richard Quinn 24
Jared Cook 23
E. Williams 23
Pett 22
M. Branson 22
A. Hill 21
Ingram 21
David Johnson 21
John Phillips 20
K Sperry 20
Nelson 19
D Drew 17

OL
L. Vasquez 39
T. Bright 34
Garcia 34
Felix 33
Boone 33
J. Smith 33
Shipley 33
J. Cooper 31
J. Meredith 31
R. Feinga 30
Fletcher 30
Burggeman 30
E. Wood 30
Urbik 29
Canfield 29
C Lewis 29
Fulton 27
Beatty 27
Joel Bell 27
Cadogan 26
Luigs 26
B Walker 26
Murtha 25
Helms 25
Isdaner 24
Britton 24
Tupou 24
Parker 24
Caldwell 23
Brewster 23
Kemp 23
Monroe 23
Olsen 23
Levitre 23
T Green 22
Unger 22
E. Williams 22
Gus Parrish 21
H. Johnson 21
Kropog 21
M Miller 21
Oher 21
CJ Davis 21
Foster 20
J Thomas 20
Reynolds 19
Link 19
G.ay 18
Watkins 18
Fanaika 15

The USC kicker Buehler repped it 25 times...so he did it more than several linemen.

Maclin was interview a little while ago, and he plans to participate in all the drills, including the 40-yard dash. His personal-best time is 4.31 seconds and he said his goal is to run 4.29. He does that here, and there will be conversations concerning him as a top 10 pick.

Maclin measured 6 feet, and he cited Santana Moss and Steve Smith as players that play the game the way he would like to. In 2007, Maclin scored on a run, a pass, a kick return and a punt return and was the only player in Division I-A to do that.

LeSean McCoy weighed in under 200 lbs at 197, he does have the flu but it may scare some teams off, and with Moreno at 217 he's got the ideal frame for someone who can step in with 20 carries a game.

Moreno is doing everything right leading up to the draft he is absolutely pushing Wells for the #1 RB taken title.

As Stafford was speaking, Sanchez ran in and appeared from nowhere, blurting out from among the mass of media: “What do you think about Sanchez, the other quarterback in the draft?”

A grinning Stafford then instructed Sanchez to, “Get out of here dude. I’m getting you back!”

A couple guys with a sense of humor.

Donald Brown 5'10 1/4 210
Chris Wells 6'1 235 exactly

from yesterday...

Phil Loadholt 6'7 3/4 332. Fairly light for Big Phil.
Herman Johnson 6'7 364, attempting to get down to 350-355.
Chase Coffman 6'6 245.
Ramon Foster 6'5 328
James Casey 6'3 246.

Michael Crabtree wasn't quite as tall as expected. He measured 6-1.25, 215 pounds. He doesn't plan on running at the combine, instead waiting until next month.

Crabtree is starting to remind me of Peter Warrick...

Maryland WR Darrius Heyward-Bey has reportedly been cracking the 4.2s during test runs at the Athletes' Performance Institute.
Heyward-Bey ran 4.23 as a freshman in college. He's bigger than he was then, but the high 4.2s should be about right. DHB will draw a lot of attention this week. It will also be interesting to see how tall he actually is Thursday.

First group of O-line bench numbers:

Player School Reps
LOUIS VASQUEZ TEXAS TECH 39
TRAVIS BRIGHT BRIGHAM YOUNG 34
JUAN GARCIA WASHINGTON 34
ALEX BOONE OHIO STATE 33
ROBBY FELIX UTEP 33
A.Q. SHIPLEY PENN STATE 33
JASON SMITH BAYLOR 33
JON COOPER OKLAHOMA 31
JAMON MEREDITH SOUTH CAROLINA 31
ROB BRUGGEMAN IOWA 30
RAY FEINGA BRIGHAM YOUNG 30
ALEX FLETCHER STANFORD 30
ERIC WOOD LOUISVILLE 30

None of these guys hurt themselves with their numbers.

Oher only had 21 reps of 225. To put it in perspective Jason Smith had 33 and Travis Beckum (yes, the flex tight end) had 28. That big of a differential can't be just because of slightly longer arms. Oher is on the brink of falling into the 20's. Senior bowl wasn't too kind to Oher. I looked and his arms are about average with other OTs, not too long. Disappointing # for Oher, 28-30+ would've been expected, 21 is really low for a lineman. I compared him to Beckum, but 28 reps for Beckum is really really good.

Arm lengths..

Phil Loadholt - 36 1/2"
Andre Smith - 35 3/8"
William Beatty - 34 3/4"
Jamon Meredith - 34 1/2"
Jason Watkins - 34 3/8"
Eugene Monroe - 33 7/8"
Michael Oher - 33 1/2"
Eben Britton - 32 3/4"

Andre Smith pretty impressive for his height. Beatty helped his case too. Britton's is pretty disappointing for being 6'6.

Also, Monroe came in with the biggest hands at 11 1/8". Tupou had the lowest with his Alex Smith-esque 8 3/4".

Herman Johnson did 21.
Gus Parrish did 19.
Jason Watkins did 18.

How does a guy as big as Johnson only rep it 21 times?

Britton did 24 reps.
Monroe did 23.
Caldwell did 24.
Levitre 23
Green 22
Unger 22
Kropog 21
Reynolds 19

Some of these are disappointing.

Kenny Britt is only 6'2 despite being listed at 6'4.

Going through combine numbers no one helped themselves more than Travis Beckum, he was always thought of as a small H/Back receiving TE type that couldn't block like a WR/TE hybrid..

He came in 15 lbs heavier and did more reps than alot of the offensive linemen.

Hakeem Nicks came in at just over 6' so he's a bit taller than Maclin and not even an inch shorter than Crabtree.

Percy Harvin came in at 5'11..

Nate Davis came in at 6-1 3/4, 226 pounds

Pat White is up to 197 he must be eating alot of cake.

That's bigger than I expected.

Thanks guys. Good info here. There are lots of guys blowing ass at bench...

Not to be an ass, but this reads like post # 58 on the this link:
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...t=30291&page=3

at least you could do is post the link that you getting the information.

I was copying the info parts....

It's not like combine stuff is just posted everywhere. People want that info so i went somewhere that it would be posted.

that's understandable, just put up the link where it came from. Its a top draft site. Give Scott his due by pimping his site. It comes off as if its your post when its not.

I pimp that damn site all the time, so much so the last time I posted a link I got a response like "what do those ****s know"

Moreno's only chance to push Wells is if he beats him significantly in the 40. I don't see it happening.

Oher, Herman Johnson, Max Unger, Britton, and Tupou really hurt themselves on the bench.

I'd be most concerned about Unger, Johnson and Tupou's terrible numbers. They aren't playing positions where technique is always paramount. You can't really look at Unger as a RT with that kind of bench. Really, You might have to just consider him a center.

Kropog has good enough feet that I wouldn't be too worried about his bench.

I think it's pretty clear that Jason Smith and Monroe are the cream of the tackle crop, and Smith is starting to look like a ****ing monster. Strong as hell, and big. I'll be interested to see how he runs in the first ten yards and his shuttle/cone splits.

Jason Smith will be athletic he played his freshman year as a TE..

Problem is he has very little to no experience lining up with his hand on the ground he was always in the 2 point stance and rarely run blocked.

This is true. With that being said, run blocking technique isn't as tough to teach as proper pass blocking.

It's becoming clear that he might have more upside than any tackle in this draft, while Monroe is clearly the most pro ready.

heh, as good as Scott is, he is wrong sometimes also.... shit happens. It's what happens when you try to predict something unpredictable.

Its the one thing running a spread offense can be good at, developing tackles. IMO, Monroe is and will stay the top tackle, ASmith everyday appears to more like Gallery, not to say he wont be productive, but clearly RT might be his final resting place in order to prolong his career. Oher is the one that you cant figure out, game film he excels, measurables, not so much. A case of functional strength being a more tangible attribute.

When you are on an island every play, you definitely learn how to operate in space. What it doesn't help out with is inline blocking from interior linemen, especially if they take wide splits ala Mizzou.

He specializes in run blocking and considers himself a mauler.

While it isnt ideal, it leads more to poor fundamentals for the interior guys. Being an OU fan, its the one knock Duke gets, he has poor footwork, while correctable, just makes a guy get drafted earlier than he really should. Puts an emphasis on coaching in the NFL, that 20 yrs ago wasnt an issue. Which is good. NFL has gotten out of the business of coaching guys. Well, the teams that are less successful have.

Uh that's Andre Smith, you're confusing them.

Nope

I'm told that Baylor's Smith is an absolute monster when it comes to power blocking, and the converted tight end loves the part of his job that allows him to manhandle his opponents. He didn't waste much time speaking to that reputation at the combine.

"When I'm on the field, I take a lot of pride in physically assaulting somebody,'' Smith said. "As far as finishing them off, that's just a part of the block. So you don't really think too much of it, because that's what you go on the field to do. It's something I practice real hard at, and I practice real hard at practicing. And when it's game time, it just happens.''

Whoever wrote that is completely wrong...

Jason Smith doesn't even play with his hand on the ground.

JSmith is this years Clady. Monroe is the best T ... and Smith is next. Just because he hasnt played with his hand down, doesnt mean he cant. One of the guys people need to watch tomorrow in the drills.

I'm not saying he can't do it but he's far from a physical mauling player that has major experience run blocking.

Don Banks. Maybe the scheme limited what he could show on the field.

Mecca I'm trying to figure out what you're talking about, but Baylor rushed the ball 481 times last season as opposed to 290 passing attempts. Don't tell me he doesn't have major experience. Maybe the technique is different coming out of a pass-blocking stance if thats really what they did all the time, but that's still plenty of run-blocking experience to learn everything he needs to.

edit: ok, so 173 of those "run plays" were qb runs. I don't know how many draws there were, but I imagine it was mostly scrambling. So that'd be 463 passing to 308 running. Still a lot of snaps both ways.

Did he do what was asked of him? Curry wasnt asked to rush the passer, but had over 50 TFL and 9 sacks in his career. If you cant use stats to explain why Crabtree is a top 10 guy, you cant use stats to discredit what Curry is. Draft is a crap shoot, in the end, you have to put them in the best posibble situation to succeed. The NFL, IMO, has forgotten how to coach.

They ran a spread option. Almost all of those runs were zone read plays. He's not engaging an end head on and drive blocking someone's bitch ass, he's moving laterally and trapping and pulling.

Thanks, obviously I haven't watched Baylor play. I wonder where he gets the reputation then, I tried to find a highlight vid but no dice.

Jesus Pettigrew just ran a 4.85

LMAO

After watching the O-Linemen working out this morning, I still like Urbik and Topou, who I've liked all season.

I also liked what I saw from AQ Shiply and Eric Wood.

Haha, some had him as a 1st rounder too. Blocking TEs don't usually go before the 3rd.

I was not impressed by Topou.

I was very impressed by Jamon Meredith.

Are any of the elite O-lineman working out today?

4.97 second time for Jesus Pettigrew. Mayock still jerking him off.

And yes, all elite O-linemen have already worked out today.

then a 4.97

Meredeth was another that impressed.

As for Tupou, there were a couple of things he didn't do well, but his feet are really fluid.

To me, the most important attributes for O-Linemen are intelligence and graceful feet.

Everything else is coachable.

I'm hating these guys talking over the drills

Has anyone found Andre Smith yet? How do you not show up? Looks like he and Crabtree are the potential fallers so far.

Me too. Love those guys with a little attitude and work ethic. Urbic was nice too.

Yeah, I would like to see them spend time actually talking about the drills we are seeing.

Holy Jesus...

Even the kickers at USC are gifted.

David Buehler:

Bench press: 25 reps. (more reps than 27 offensive linemen were able to post)

40 time: 4.6

I think that makes him a #3 overall pick/true fan

Well shit he IS from SC.

Orakpo's a Raider. Guaranteed.

He is one big mother****er.