Sanchez will throw at combine.
 

Okay, I have been critical of this kid from the start. I really want a franchise QB, but I don't want the Chiefs to reach. There are a lot of QB's that go high under the theory that 'this may be our 'best' chance to get a franchise QB'.

But, with ALL things, I try to be fair minded. I love the fact that this kid is willing to do the full workout at the combine. That shows confidence. That shows courage.

Now, it may also show a lack of level headed decision making. And, at the QB position, you want a guy that doesn't force things. But, I must admit, that I like this move.

Workouts are only going to help him physical talent isn't even a question.

No it's the little experience on an elite team that's a question.

Matt Stafford isn't throwing...he has no balls.

Are you aware what "elite" talent he was playing with, really list for me all the stud offensive players Sanchez was playing with...

Oh Jesus. USC consistently recruits the best players in the country. Don't try and pull that crap. With those explosive RB's, it wouldn't matter is Ashley Lelie was his starting WR anyways.

You mean elite RB's like the massive disappointment that is Joe McKnight?

Their recruiting stars don't mean shit when they get on the field.

You like balls.

First of all, they play in the PAC 10. All other schools except USC have been a disappointment. Look at the rankings of that conference on offense and defense. The D's are terrible and it is not because of the great offenses, because those are also pretty week outside of USC. Point being, you don't need to have elite talent to compete in that conference. USC has RB's that ride their bench that could start for many other programs. Joe McKnight was part of a three headed monster I believe. He averaged 7.4 yards a carry. He's far from terrible.

You didn't watch him every game like I did my reaction to Joe McKnight coming in is, ****..

And now we're right back to this "pac 10 sucks" argument, people need to get over that.

I have the sneakiest feeling he's going to work his way into being seriously considered at #3 overall...but a big piece of the Pioli/Haley ideal seems to be toughness and team-oriented.

What little I've seen him in interview scenarios, he's seems confident, but sometimes to the point of arrogant...they say the biggest part of the combine is actually the interview processes and tests - that may be where he seals his deal with us or not.

He has them but they are flat.

Tom Brady is confident on the line of arrogant, just sayin.

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thats exactly what I want my QB to be.

Stafford's character worries me more than Sanchez'.

I think this is a good decision and ultimately will help him. Maybe someone will post a video of the workout after it happens

Reality or not, that is the perception, even among scouts. Did you catch the analysis of Sanchez from nfl.com?

Analysis
Positives: Ascending talent whose intangibles for the position are just as impressive as his physical tools. ... Cerebral. ... Reads defenses well and rarely throws into coverage. ... Goes through his progression quickly and takes what the defense gives him. ... Recognizes the blitz very well for a player of his experience and often targets the defenses' weak link when being blitzed. ... Good setup and a smooth, over-the-top delivery. ... Legitimate NFL arm strength. ... Capable of making every NFL throw, including the deep ball. ... Rather than relying on pure arm strength, Sanchez combines good velocity with rare anticipation, especially for a player of his limited experience. ... Consistently releases his passes before his receivers have even made their breaks, giving the defense little time to react. ... Distributes the ball all over the field. ... Good short-, medium-, and long-range accuracy. ... Consistently places his passes where only his receiver can get it and throws a very catchable ball. ... When healthy, showed very surprising mobility for his size. ... Can evade the pass rush and will scramble if the defense gives free yards. ... Rare accuracy on the rollout. ... Squares his shoulders and can fire the ball with consistency and accuracy. ... Team captain. ... Blue-collar work ethic.



Negatives: Only one season as the starter and leaves USC with just 16 career starts. ... Career record of 4-2 outside of the state of California. ... Undeniable tools, but isn't yet a finished product. ... Runs a bit hot and cold and has a tendency to score touchdowns in bunches. ... Characterized by those close to the program as a very cerebral player who makes the right read, but many of his touchdown passes went to receivers with five or more yards of separation between the next closest defender, opening up some questions if USC's dominant athletes and the team's aggressive play-calling helped him look even better. ... Suffered a dislocated left knee cap prior to the season opener and his mobility was limited.



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NFL.com has some clips of the 2009 combine on their website.

You can watch live.

Which is funny because Patrick Turner is in the draft and may not even get drafted and that was one of his starting WR's.

It's like a complete contradiction.

Are you seriously arguing that USC doesn't have talent?

They have talent but it's very young talent or guys who never lived up to what they were suppose to be, it's nothing like people assume it is. There's no Reggie Bushes or Williams or Jarretts there.

Patrick Turner was a major disappoinment, Damian Williams is good but he's not a star, they have a bunch of RB's who are solid but no one is dominant.

However, why don't scouts rate intangibles and intelligence as premier qualities?

Montana didn't have the strongest arm, but his intangibles and intelligence are what made him the greatest QB in history...

Looks like the QBs workout on Sunday - should be all over NFLN - but if you don't have it, someone will get Sanchez on YouTube in no time.

You'd think the fact that his report says "very smart, makes the right reads, rarely throws into coverage, very cerebral" would immediately catch everyones eyes as a hugely important thing.

Compare it to Stafford's scouting report from the same source:

Analysis
Positives: Perhaps a bit shorter than preferred, but has excellent bulk and strength for the position. ... Durable performer who never missed a college game due to injury, despite a leaky offensive line. ... Efficient footwork and depth on his drop from center. ... Quick to scan the field and go through his progressions. ... Elite arm strength. ... Can make all the throws and shows power and toughness getting the ball deep even when defenders are closing and making contact. ... Consistent with excellent accuracy to all levels of the field. ... Consistent placing the deep out on the far shoulder of his receiver, away from the defender. ... Has good deep accuracy and trajectory. ... Lofts the ball high enough to allow his receiver to run under it. ... Aggressive, but has developed into a smarter passer over his career and will take what the defense gives him by dropping to his second and third options. ... Learning to look off the safety. ... Underrated core strength. ... Keeps his eyes downfield and will step up in the pocket and is willing to take a hit to complete the pass. ... Surprisingly nimble in the pocket and can avoid the rush. ... Underrated straight-line speed and will take what the defense gives him. ... Takes his own success and that of the team very seriously. ... Extremely competitive. ... Team captain. ... Undefeated in bowl games.



Negatives: Can get fundamentally lazy... ... Though he has an efficient overall release, should be able to speed it up for underneath screens passes to take better advantage of the surprise to the defense. ... Sloppy footwork. ... Will get lazy and throw off his back foot, which could lead to turnovers in the NFL... ... Willing to throw into tight spots, though more often than not he places the ball where it needs to be... ... Not great accuracy on crossing routes. ... Too often leads his receivers too far or forces them to reach back, slowing their momentum and limiting their ability to generate yardage after the catch.



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I like how that scouting report basically backs up what a ton of us have said about Sanchez being better coached and more technically sound, and guys were exploding saying we weren't scouts and didn't know shit.

I like alot of his positives especially being able to recognize the blitz and adjust accordingly. That is a huge plus.

One of his major negative besides experience is the same thing we ragged on about Bradford

To me that isn't as big of a deal with him because Sanchez has a legit arm in a pro style offense and has shown he can make tough throws.

Bradford got to make a ton of easy throws that was my issue with him.

"...many of his touchdown passes went to receivers with five or more yards of separation between the next closest defender, opening up some questions if USC's dominant athletes and the team's aggressive play-calling helped him look even better..."


It opens up questions, but lets see if he makes the throws.

That is a fair point.

I admit I haven't watched much of USC except in a couple of games so how was their O-Line and did Sanchez get hit or sacked alot?

Someone quickly point out what "dominant" WR he was throwing to...

That's the main reason I actually prefer Sanchez, even though I'm in the minority.

Seems like the first thing they mention about him are the intangibles, quick decisions, intelligence, passion, right before they mention the limited amount of starts, only playing from behind in one game, and the wrong decision to come out early. Then they usually say, "If this guy stayed in school, he would probably be the #1 overall pick next year".

Well, shit, draft the guy at #3 and let him sit and learn. Is he going to lose talent by learning in the NFL? Experience means a lot, but geez, won't experience learning to adjust how the NFL plays be more valuable?

He got hit more than anyone would realize without watching...he will hang in and take hits to make throws pressure doesn't phase him..

Let me put it to you this way the best lineman on the USC line is a true sophomore center...every lineman was an underclassman but the LG who had been injury plagued throughout his career...

They had numerous sophomores playing it was by no means an experienced or great unit.

I think the thing no one mentions that's important is practicing everyday against the most talented defense in all of college football, and anyone that knows anything about SC knows how intense practices are.

You literally can not find a knock on Sanchez other than experience. Top intangibles, physical talent, leadership, smarts, confidence. It's all there.

Thanks and that makes me feel a little better. I just don't want a situation where we draft a QB and they can't take a hit or they haven't faced alot of adversity because in the NFL that happens on a weekly basis not one or 2 times a season.

In the UCLA game he hung in to complete a pass and took a helmet to the chin...when the drive was over he got patched up on the sideline and didn't miss a play.

That is what I want to hear. No more Brodie Croyle's please.

That is probably why alot of people like Thigpen, he took alot of shots and kept on ticking.

Dude there is no question that he's tough, he dislocated his kneecap and didn't miss a game.

Didn't he miss three weeks of practice?

Frankly, the more I learn about the guy... I am beginning to think he is a head case.

I initially liked the idea that he was going to throw at the combine.

Now, I think he may be a little too arrogant.

I am sure you know about his arrest, I think in his redshirt Sophomore year because the girl said no and he wasn't hearing it.

Now, he has one good year in college and Pete Carroll tells him he should stay in school and he's not hearing it.

Just have to wonder if he thinks he knows better than everyone else, and has this self titled attitude.

Don't need that on this team.

I was really hoping to find out more about him and get sold on him.... nothing so far.

How are you able to watch every USC game? They are rarely on TV where I live.

He probably has ESPN college football subscription

I'm all for Sanchez, but you don't have to be a nationally dominant WR, you just have to be significantly better than who you're playing against.

And USC WAS significantly more talented than the teams they play at probably every position.

Good grief. Now he's arrogant?

After reading stories about Sanchez coming back from injuries and hard hits, the conclusion that is reached is that...........he might be arrogant and a head case.

Ok.

Is it like NFL Sunday ticket where you can watch any team you want?

Didn't you expect that from him?

Given how much time was being spent on earlier "analysis," I have to admit that I was hoping for a more logical final product.

I will lower my expectations of the Planet populace accordingly.

Ya there's no place for a guy like that on this team. :shake:

You don't ****ing know Mark Sanchez. You deem him arrogant and unworthy of playing for the Chiefs because he shows confidence in himself. You got to be kidding me.

How clueless are you?

It's going to be a rough weekend for Sanchez. He's going to measure in shorter than his listed 6'3". He better hope he doesn't have to throw before or after Freeman because his arm will look like a wet noodle unless he goes into his extra wide "I'm pooping in the woods" stance he needs to get the ball downfield with any velocity. He'll also be all messed up having to throw to WR's that can actually run and catch. All I've been reading is that USC has no talent on offense. Now he's going to be throwing to real prospects for once in his life. He'll probably throw everything behind them since he is used to throwing the ball to clumsy oafs who run 4.8 40s and catch with their forearms.

you're a dumbass.

USC has talent on offense, i think everyone will agree on this. It's just not the all-world talent that some people believe they have. Mecca's just saying that Sanchez hasn't had the luxury of getting by on other people coat tails. Sanchez is who he is because of his own talent and hard work, not the other people around him.

You catch on quickly.

I'd guess the Chiefs' chances of selecting Sanchez with the #3 pick are about 2%.

I hope he can work under center behind 1st and 2nd round centers. I'm sure he's used to his center stepping on his feet and missing blocking assignments half the time.

Why?

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No need to worry about Sanchez. According to another CP thread today, the Lions will pass on a QB, so now we're set to get Stafford.

It's a...

DONE DEAL!

That's a problem I would love to have, choosing between 2 potential franchise QBs...

I'm sure someone's going to follow this up by suggesting "Hey with both on the board, maybe we could trade down..."

ROFL Predictable lot, ain't they?

How about this: trade our #3 overall down to Philly for one of their #1s and Donavan McNabb.

Or, trade down for NE's #1 + Cassel!

IT CAN WORK! :D

LMAO That would be sooooooooo Car...I mean "cool"!

I hope like hell your right, but if not Sanchez is a solid prospect to take at #3. Really there is no one else to take at that spot and if we pass on Sanchez and can't find a team to trade down with, there's not much to do in that position.

Didn't he miss three weeks of practice? Not sure but he didn't miss a game.

Frankly, the more I learn about the guy... I am beginning to think he is a head case.

I initially liked the idea that he was going to throw at the combine.

Now, I think he may be a little too arrogant.

I am sure you know about his arrest, I think in his redshirt Sophomore year because the girl said no and he wasn't hearing it. He got Kobe'd, she figured she could get some money out of him if this is the case.

Now, he has one good year in college and Pete Carroll tells him he should stay in school and he's not hearing it. He's not hearing it because everyone else is saying your going to go very high. Just because Carroll said to stay doesn't mean anything. He could have stayed and gotten insurance like lionheart but why? He's going high first round and can learn in the NFL

Just have to wonder if he thinks he knows better than everyone else, and has this self titled attitude. Pretty sure he's doing whats best for him and his family, you don't know whats best for them.

Don't need that on this team. Would love his attitude and leadership on our team. It's not like everyone is saying he's a prick like Leaf.

I was really hoping to find out more about him and get sold on him.... nothing so far. I'm sold on him being the 2nd best QB and if Matthew is off the board, I'd love to have him as a member of the KC Chiefs.

Somone quickly point out what "dominant" WR Bradford threw to.... Someone quicky point out where those 4 SR Olineman are going to get drafted if they do.......

Robinson and Loadholt will both go in the 2nd to 3rd round.

Iglesias is going to go by round 3.

Jermaine Gresham will probably be a top 15-20 pick next year, and is far and away better than any other tight end in this draft.

Their right tackle this year is a better prospect than Loadholt.

Murray and Brown were both dynamic running backs who will stick in the NFL.

Other than that, nothing.

Robisnon will go in the 2nd. Loadholt will not be gone anywhere near round 3. So 1 out 4 will be drafted in the 2nd round. Not exactly elite talent.

Iglesias won't be gone by round 3. He is a 4th or 5th round prospect at best and is waayy to slow.

They have solid backs, but so does USC. Murray may get drafted in the first few rounds, but not Brown.

Gresham is good, but not better then Pettigrew.

So we have probaby a 2nd, and 2 5th round picks this year coming from this loaded offense that carries Brafdord. Right..... Freaking MU will have more players taken in the top 2 rounds off their offense this year then OU will!!!! So how elite is that?

Walter Football:

Murray 1st/2nd round
Brown 3rd Rown
Trent Williams: Top 20 Pick
Jermaine Gresham would definitely be the #1 TE on anyone other than Mike Mayock's board. He's such a better receiver that it's not funny. He's taller, nearly as thick, and much faster.

This year:

Robinson: 2nd-3rd
Loadholt: 2nd-3rd
Iglesias: 2nd-3rd.

All from Scott Wright.

So, if 7 of the 11 people that Bradford plays with (counting 2 RBs) being projected to go in the first 3 rounds doesn't account for elite talent, I don't know what the **** does.

You're completely full of shit.

I do love this argumentative style though.

"Those guys from Oklahoma won't go there."

Please provide proof.

"Because I said so!!"

This is good for us if he looks for real then there will be less complaint about the pick. If he doesn't look for real then we will know to go another direction.

I still don't think there was much talent around Bradford, and the differences in offensive systems between OU and USC don't matter.

Next year is going to be an epic quarterback class. Visions of '83.

1883, however. Like the Brooklyn Bridge stampede. I still can't believe that mother****er held.

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Bradford had all world talent around him. He didn't face any pressure on a single drop back and his receivers never had a defender within 5 yards of them. Sanchez on the other hand had the weight of the world on his shoulder - literally. They made him walk to the stadium up hill both ways in 120 degree heat before games. They wouldn't give him water. Each game was like an Indian vision quest for Sanchez, but instead of having to deal with wolves and bears and small pox infested blankets he had to deal with a bad OL, reeruned WRs, no running game and a crazy emotional head coach. It's a wonder the kid didn't break.

I'll bookmark this and after the draft and we will see where Iglesias and Loadholt get drafted. If they have 3 guys in the top 3 rounds I'll man up. But some teams have 2-3 guys off an offense drafted in the first round! That's elite.

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Is their anything to the smoke being floated that Detriots going OL?

If so - I'd guess Stafford falls to #3.....

If you read Don Banks this morning...Sanchez lovers will have a fit. He said he almost guarantees the Lions do NOT take a QB with their #1 overall pick...rather one of the top OT's. That means St Louis will probably take the other OT...leaving us drafting Stafford, Curry, or Sanchez...IMO. If Stafford is passed on by the Lions...he's going to us rather than Sanchez.

Awesome. What I like the most about this thread is hearing fans trash their own teams. I wish I was a Georgia fan, so I could really join in.

"Stafford often played with 10 year olds on his offensive line and his wide receivers are both missing an arm and a leg. Not to mention the overrated running back who is really quite awful and will be proven as a complete fraud in the NFL. Go BULLDOGS though..."

Of course they will. Because most of the people hoping that the Chiefs select Sanchez are so myopic in their analysis of the relative value of the quarterback position that there is no way that these same people could understand the positive qualities of Stafford and his allure to a franchise.

No way.

Those ****ing dumbshits, who when discussing the upside (note this word, those who like to misconstrue posts) of Stafford and Sanchez have been comparing the two to Elway and Aikman, will certainly shit themselves.

Excuse me while I go wipe. ****.

Yeah, I don't think I've seen too many people say they want Sanchez and only Sanchez. Most are merely making an argument for Sanchez since it was believed that Matthew would be off the board. Thats been my take at least.

Stafford is my top choice, and would JIMP if we able to land him, but would also be thrilled to have Sanchez.