Shawn Zobel: Lions are in serious dealings with Cassel
 

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February 20th, 2009 Shawn Posted in Zobel's Blog |

I had the chance to speak with one of my sources down here in Indianapolis. Here’s what he had to say:

- The Lions are currently seriously considering dealing for Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel. According to my source, New England is “actively looking to deal him.”

- Malcolm Jenkins’ 40-yard dash is going to be one of the biggest of the Combine. If he runs a 4.5 or slower, many teams will feel that his best fit at the next level will be safety. There’s talk that he could slide to the middle-to-late first round.

- The Broncos new staff is not going to continue to draft the smaller, quicker offensive linemen. They are looking to get somewhat bigger along the offensive line.

- If Knowshon Moreno runs a 4.4 40-yard dash or faster, he could be the first running back taken…followed by Pitt’s LeSean McCoy.

- Andre Smith’s stock is dropping. Teams are not happy that he decided not to work. Based solely on today, Jason Smith is beginning to look like one of the top tackles in this year’s draft.

- The Vikings talking about keeping both Gus Frerotte and Tarvaris Jackson could mean that they plan on drafting another quarterback this year. With Josh Freeman creeping into the first round discussion, he could be an option.

it's bonertime!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmm Mecca your thoughts?

Moreno as I mentioned in the combine thread is doing everything right, he weighed 217 so he's bigger than was thought, he's pushing Wells.

But McCoy has a problem he only weighs 197lbs...McCoy is going to be the 3rd back taken the question is can he entice a team like Arizona at the back of round 1 to do it or does he fall into the 2nd...

Jenkins 40 time is a big deal, I make no bones about that for any WR or CB that single thing will make or break you.

Do you still think outside a QB he's the only other player worthy of our 1st? If no is it now Vonte Davis?

Depends...there are still factors we don't know..

The fact that Michael Crabtree is reminding me more and more of Peter Warrick everyday, not overly fast, shorter than expected. Isn't helping him either.

Sweet. Stafford is ours!

Sure would suck to go from the Patriots to the Lions...

If he gets a huge contract I doubt he's going to complain to much, and he will have a WR who is athletically comparable to Moss.

He will have 10-13 million reasons a year to feel pretty good about playing in the s*&^ hole known as Detroit.

Yea Id choke a bitch if we took Crabtree with our first.

If what is being said about DHB is true he's going to sky rocket....

He apparently measured taller than Crabtree and is running 4.2's in workouts.

I stopped reading here.

This ****er needs sources to tell him that the Pats are looking to deal Cassel?

No S@#$.

In other news the sky is blue, water is wet, and women have secrets.

That means Brady's knee is on schedule. I'd guess they would deal him for the right price no matter what, but they might not be shopping him if Brady's knee wasn't going according to plan.

Exactly....we all know "The Patriots Way" and it doesn't involve telling "sources" what you're actively trying to do. They're probably just leaking out something to get the bidding started.

Not everyday we get a "The Last Boy Scout" reference.

Nice.

I would assume that the Lions would then take Monroe first overall. Rams would be pissed off.

Hey that is one of the best movies ever.

Absolutely. Perfect mixture of one liners and action. Flawless.

Yep. Underrated.

Rarely get a reference from that flick.

Happy, happy, joy, joy if they trade for cassel and draft a tackle.

They better have a deal worked out with the Pats first
or expect to give up some draft picks

There would be some great Stafford vs. Sanchez threads if this were to go down.

Stafford....thread over.

Either way... the Lions are desperate for a quarterback (Culpepper is DONE) and the Pats know it.

Even with Millen gone, I would not be suprised if the Pats come out with the 1st pick overall.

YOU BASTARD
don't wake those dogs
Thigggy mutts will follow

No way in hell.

Not a chance...the reason they'd go with Cassel is so they can get one of the LT's

Detroit's dumb, not stupid.

This is starting to get fun. I am officially moving over to the "we better draft a QB bunch."

I have been trying to keep an open mind, but I think I finally get it. Hamas made it pretty clear, sometimes I can be pretty slow.

Welcome aboard.

:clap:

The Lions have TWO first round picks. No way, the Pats get the first overall pick.

I think Cassel is the flavor of the month like Matt Schaub was, so it would be another bad move by Detroit.

Pats would have to give pick/s somewhere back I'm sure...

I said "they would come out of it with the 1st overall" when I should have said "they would come out of it with the 1st overall though they may have to give some picks back."

Layoff... I'm enjoying my weekend properly. :D

This shit be pimp as hell.

Max?

Tell me...

would you give up a first overall pick for

(possible) Franchise QB (a guy who though me be "the flavor of the month" or benefited from starting on a quality franchise, or over rated... still had the testicular fortitude to lead an NFL team to an 11-5 record OFF THE BENCH)
AND
and the 23rd overall pick

?

Including the 20th overall they got from Dallas and the swap of 1st rounders they could target their main areas of weakness... pretty much all of them:

QB - Cassel
LB - Laurinitis, Maualuga?
DE - Jackson, English?

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If KC gets premium choice

Well, this off season has been nothing short of awesome, so far. There's no reason to believe that things should slow down now. Perhaps, at long last, the stars really are aligning for the Chiefs.

You go, Lions.

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What would New England do with the #1 pick?

New England doesn't have the money for that pick...I seriously doubt they're going to take that pick unless they have someone to move down with.

They have two 3rd round picks also and the Patriots have two 2nd rounders. There is all kinds of ammo for these two teams to make a deal.


PhilFree:arrow:

This

If Detroit passes on Stafford this makes the decision a whole lot simpler

" What would Joe do? Shoot everybody, and smoke some cigarettes"

Thanks, glad to be here. The argument is pretty compelling once the whole picture is understood.

Compared to quite a few on here, I have no clue with these College players.

Dude, If they do trade for him, then the Chiefs have won the favor of the football Gods, and wearing the red, and gold is going to be envied by fans of other teams. We may be headed for territory that none of us are used to.

I'm glad I loaded up on Jerseys this off-season. Got a Bowe, Okoye, Dorsey, Holmes, and a Montana. All Authentic except the Montana. The okoye is a replithentic from the pro shop.

Got a flawless Holmes away jersey Brand new for $25.00 off of e-bay.. Bowe, and Dorsey's from Jersey 101. Authentics with the patch, but some stiych flaws on the sleeves. Not even noticeable. Being a bartender at a sports bar on Sundays, I'm gonn represent my boys this season. Everybody already calls me Chief Beal.

I hate to repeat myself, but I'm sincerely impressed by the way NE has hyped up Cassel as having such high value. You would think he's the second coming of Fran Tarkenton the way they've handled this deal. Franchising the guy was a promotional piece de resistance. Amazing.

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What's going to be fascinating to me is watching which teams break down and make a play for him. I figure the following teams all might:

SF
KC
Minn
Detroit
TB
Chi
Car

I could also see a scenario where the Rams make a play, but I'd consider that a longer shot because they've got so much tied up in Bulger. Also, if it becomes public that Kansas City is making a play for him, that could open the floodgates. Other teams might figure that since Pioli knows him and made the play for him, Cassel's quite likely for real.....

DAMMMMMNNN!!! I don't want Matthew anymore he runs with these damn things up the whole time :thumb:, for some reason thats always pissed me off.

I agree but Cassel has value because the supply of NFL QBs is drying up. I mean who else is there? QBs are few and far between.


PhilFree:arrow:

There's a reason they are the model franchise of the NFL. Sure is good to have that pedigree running our team. Just to think a couple months ago, we had Cral Peterson, and Herm Edwards running it. Damn this is a huge off-season. Paired with last years draft. Good Lawd.

Great post as usual Mr. Fax, I agree 100%

That would be a crafty move on Pioli's part to hint like he's interested.

Well, it would be if he weren't really interested, he wanted Stafford and thought he could get Detroit to bite.....

It's been one of the most interesting offseasons in my memory, and it's just going to get better and better until draft weekend.

Ahem... :harumph:

And regarding Cassell...god **** yes.

There was a thread two months ago where we went on LBS references for like 100 posts.

What did I do?

Ugh yeah. That's kinda the point.

Talked over dumbasses like chiefzill, and nonsensiblechiefsfan, and helped our friend see the light. It's abeautiful thing. Anybody who thinks we should pass on one of the 2 QBs is fuqin moron. There I said it.

I understand. I was laying it out just for the Lions, but it might do something else for the Chiefs which I was going to put in as an alternative before I clicked "submit" by mistake. I was going to say that it might also put the Chiefs in a position where they might be able to trade down if Sanchez is the team's preferred quarterback, because a team that wanted Stafford but wasn't willing to pay for the #1 slot might be more willing to pay for the #3 slot. After all, if either QB gets past the Chiefs, the board is set up in such a way that the quarterback could conceivably fall all the way to the Jets if no trades got made.

It was the rhetorical brilliance of the Roberto Alomar tree.

Oh, I'm not suggesting that he isn't, Mr. Just Passin' By. He may very well be the most realest deal of all times. The thing is that nobody really knows for sure. Granted, he played well last season, but look at the talent around him - not to mention the coaching staff. NE has successfully positioned him as something very special and other teams are sniffing at the bait. It's a remarkable and admirable effort on their part and franchising him was icing on the Cassel cake.

Of course, Mr. philfree is right, but even considering the current quarterback shortage, NE has promoted him both subtly and skillfully enough to make The Donald proud.

FAX

LMAO

Would be a win/win for KC if this trade came about. Similar skill sets with one having more experience. Think the right pick for KC is QB, easier to fill the many holes in later rounds. Doesnt mean I dont think Thigpen cant and shouldnt be developed, but its a position you cant be wrong on. IMO, the ceiling on Stafford/Sanchez are higher than Thigpen's, which means you upgrade.

I'm with you on this. I watched every Patriots game and I still don't know if he's legitimate. As a 'scout/GM' for other teams, I'd feel a lot more confident if he'd beaten Pittsburgh. I know that he had the team in position to open that game up until Moss dropped a sure touchdown pass, but I'd liked to have seen him rally the team to overcome that.

A similar thing happened in the Chargers game earlier in the season. To me, it's probably the biggest red flag I'd have if I were thinking of trading for him.

The Pats would MUCH rather **** the Jets

If we can get Stafford, we pull the trigger. I heard Stafford had dinner with the Lions last night, sounds like the Lions may have made up their minds.

WTF is Stafford in Africa or something? Someone needs to tell that kid it's not safe to be eating with wild animals, didn't he learn anything from the chimp thing? He needs to stop taking risks like that we need him under center next season!

Some have already annoited him King Daniel, it seems. :D

there's little doubt they intend to upgrade at the QB position. just depends on how they intend to do it. Cassell isnt a horrible option, but they have a vet they can afford to sit one of the rookies behind and still grab a LT with their 2nd 1st rd pick, then grab a LB at the top of the 2nd. Minnesota is the team that thinks they are a QB away from a serious run that makes a play for Cassell.

Guess that is a MOP.

Matter of opinion. :)

I am sure Nick "Assclown" Athan already reported this because he has the "insider" info.

I think they may be seriously considering, that they can get Cassell for LESS money than paying a rookie QB picked with the 1st overall pick. Add to that, Cassell's character, who has been coaching him, and the fact, that he has a year of pro experience and I can see them being very serious about Cassell.

Detroit does have a fan base that needs to be won back. And the same regime that has been running the show is still intact minus ...whats his nuts Millen. While it makes sense..... dont think they pull that trigger. Though Monroe is a very tempting target to take at #1. 3 picks in the top 33 is a good position to be in, since this draft is lacking top talent, it's very heavy in guys that are mid 1st to 3rd round picks. I'd pass, but hope they dont.

Interesting. Since you are so much more familiar with NE than I, Mr. Just Passin' By, I'm wondering if the coaches allowed Cassel to push the ball as much as Brady did. Or, alternatively, was he asked to be more of a game manager?

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Detroit in all honesty should do the Carl Peterson thing and get to 8-8. They dont need a Super Bowl just win and be average. You get Eugene Monroe and Cassell to go along with Calvin Johnson and Kevin Smith and they can have a decent offense pretty quick.

OH this would be perfect, Pass up a franchise QB for Scott Mitchell 2.0... I would laugh my ass off and fart in their general direction...

Please, Please, Please tell me the Lions are stupid enough to do this? Oh wait nevermind, they already did it once, History will repeat itself...

Happy Days for the fans of Red and Gold.