Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10
 

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

Does Stafford Pee His Pants When Pressured?
 

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/...top-ten-picks/

Beat me by 2 minutes.

I like my headline better.

;)

This thread will go over very well.

I am starting to believe more and more that this isnt the year to spend a #3 pick on a QB.
I hope they are looking farther down in the draft.

that shit is reeruned.....just reeruned...


the things that get written and said about stafford around just blow my mind....

[QUOTE=cfl;5512608] At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

:doh!:

I'd love to know who the "source" was.

Janitor at Lucas Oil Stadium?

That is a catchy headline...

Its the same crap we hear every year about every top QB prospect.

STAFFORD CHOOSES NOT TO THROW
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 9:28 a.m.

While monitoring ESPN’s SportsCenter this morning for a possible farewell appearance from Emmitt Smith, one of the talking heads said that Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford won’t throw at the Scouting Combine. (We might have missed this one while trying to revive the hamster that powers our servers.)

It’s a mistake, in our view. Especially since USC quarterback Mark Sanchez will indeed work out.

Stafford’s decision to defer his work to the friendly confines of his practice digs in Georgia will do nothing to quell concerns that Stafford isn’t comfortable on the big stage.

It puts even more pressure on him, in our view, to put together a lights-out workout in Athens.

Sanchez, on the other hand, is rising to the challenge.

Maybe, in the end, that Veruca Salt routine from Pete Carroll will give Sanchez a decade’s worth of motivation.


What is with this guy? He is a pussy.

Spooge mop operator at the the 25 cent theater next to Lucas Oil Stadium.

This was news three days ago, you ****.

Matt Ryan didn't throw last year either. What a pussy that guy was.

Why would Stafford not throw? I just don't understand it. He has a million dollar arm.

The talent at the top of this draft sucks. It figures the year we are in position to pick up a stud, there might not be there one for the taking.

I want Sanchez, but I can see why people feel that neither is worth a top 10 selection.

The problem is, there aren't many guys in this draft worthy of top 10 picks.

Give me Sanchez and I'll be happy as hell.

Lots of guys hold their own private workouts. Matt Ryan did it last year. Some guys just feel more comfortable doing it that way. Its really not a big deal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ohn&id=3910452

"Normally, top quarterbacks don't throw."

Did not know that. Thanks.

The Bad Guy seems morose.

Someone needs to sacrifice a True Fan as an antidote.

From your link...

2. To throw or not to throw? That's the question going through the minds of quarterbacks Matthew Stafford of Georgia, Mark Sanchez of Southern California and Josh Freeman of Kansas State. Normally, top quarterbacks don't throw, but the circumstances are different for these three quarterbacks because they are underclassmen. History has shown that quarterbacks who skip their senior seasons have struggled or failed in the pros. Teams that draft underclassmen QBs know they are taking a risk. Stafford, Sanchez and Freeman might have to throw to help ease those concerns.

He should throw.

Unless he burns all game film, I'm not sure how Freeman throwing will ease anyone's concerns.

IMO the combine is for guys looking to solidify their draft position or move up.

A guy like Stafford is a consensus #1 or top 3 at worst pick. The combine would do nothing for him.

Other than risk tweaking something.

And it's not Stafford's decision. His agents and handlers are telling him not to do this because they don't want to risk some kind of freak injury that costs them a major payday. They do this with everyone. That's why interviews are so coached now.

Yeah, this is "expert" adjacent. If you don't care about sourcing you can use yourself as an unidentified source.

But, having not seen the games in question, did Stafford play poorly?

He has three years of starting experience in the SEC. What major prospects in the last ten years have that kind of experience? Cutler and the Mannings are about it. He has more starting experience than Matt Ryan did, more than Roethlisberger, more than Flacco.

I guess Sanchez's agent is stupid? I hope he goes higher than Stafford because he isnt afraid to throw a football on the big stage.

Sanchez's agent is his brother so yes, he probably won't do things that are considered normal.

LMAO..

Throwing in shorts and a t-shirt to receivers you've never seen before is now the big stage.

I'll be sure to include this line when I introduce JaMarcus Russell at his HOF induction.

He's also the defacto number one pick at this moment. He's really working out for a couple of teams. Why make it harder on yourself?

That said, I wouldn't automatically draw comparisons to Matt Ryan (who seems to be one of those rare once or twice-a-decade guys who comes in and performs very well on a team without a great defense).

Thats not what everyone was saying about him this time last year. Which was Exactly my point earlier.

A college player wanting to be an NFL player working out in front of 32 NFL head coaches and GMs is the biggest stage of his career so far.

This IS what the combine is all about, no?

this exactly...

This is outragous. Don't they know stafford is the next joe montana and sanchez is the next drew bledsoe?
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Would you like to actually contribute something to this forum someday?

:clap:

Oh, and FTR, Pioli smoker, if I knew ahead that Sanchez was the next Bledsoe, I'd want no part of him.

heh, we could argue this one all week long and i understand your point.

But ill say this: This Chiefs team and the early 90's Pats are in very similiar situations.

Bledsoe did pull his franchise out of the muck and went to a Bowl. He was an effective leader for 7 or 8 years.

You're asking an awful lot out of Simple Jack.

What credentials do you have to make that assumption that he doesn't contribute?

Literacy.

LMAO

Thanks for pointing that out. Rack that up as stupid decision #1.

After doing some checking he is his first player client ever. Wow I can't say how stupid a decision that is.

Ding ding ding we have a winner folks...This is the year to address our other needs first. That being said there's no reason to think we won't draft a QB in a later round.

I can't recall who, but there is another person involved as his agent working with his brother who I believe has previous experience.

What need would you like to address?

1. We have a LT.
2. There isn't an elite DE in the draft (that we know of).
3. There isn't an elite rush backer in the draft (that we know of).

Don't say RT.

Next year when Bradford, TeBow and McCoy are available is the year to address the QB position, right?

What need is more glaring that the one that we havent addressed in over 20 years?

Thanks and I would hope so.

1 spread monkey, 1 TE, and 1 Brodie Croyle.

That sounds like the perfect ****ing time. What's not to like?

Found it.

David Dunn/Athletes First agency, who also represents Aaron Rogers, Matt Hasselbeck, Carson Palmer and Derek anderson.

David Dunn was suspended for 2 years for stealing clients

Sounds like a good agent :D

[quote=stevieray;5512619]LOL - sounds like a few people on this board. They know EVERYTHING but can't make a living at it in the NFL.:spock:

Ummm, NO! This draft is set up exactly opposite. Get the QB in the first round, or not at all. Address other needs with the middle round picks... O-line and LB's, possibly even a WR.

Then next draft fill out the other needs.

[QUOTE=denverdanchiefsfan;5512779]ROFL

If the Chiefs don't draft a QB in the first round the majority of the talking heads around here will explode. I can't wait for draft day. It will be so interesting.

We can wait until the 5th round or later.

Everyone knows that the almighty Scott Pioli can pull a QB out of his ass in the later rounds.

Matt Stafford/Mark Sanchez or this years version of Colt Brennan.:hmmm:

You might be on to something here milkman.

This is exactly right. Next years draft looks like it will have some great defensive players.

Yeah Dunn is there also to consult and help out. I think Brother Sanchez had a big say in throwing at the combine though...just a hunch.

I think he's throwing for several reasons:

1. He's not widely considered the top QB at this time
2. He has a lot of confidence
3. He knows there are questions about his limited experience

Therefore, he's hoping to show some flashes at the combine to move into the #1 overall, or at least leapfrog Stafford for the top QB drafted...

Stafford doesn't have that motivation...he's already considered the top QB.

I consider Everette Brown to be the best value barring a QB(if we go 3-4). Crabtree is out of the equation. Curry may be a better player, but he wouldn't have the same impact on a team Brown would have.

i said these same things about stafford(freaking out when the shit hit the fan) halfway through the season and you told me i didnt watch him play, maybe YOU didnt know what you were actually seeing

trolling
trolling
trolling

My inside sources tell me these 'sources' work for teams hoping the QB's fall.

Well next year sure as hell isn't either. Guess we should just go the Carl Peterson route, huh? Let's trade for Matt Cassel or Sage Rosenfels.

you haven't watched him play, or even bothered to research his accomplishments or record, or even bothered to learn about the team he played on and literally had to carry...that makes you a) lazy and b) stupid


the people quoted in this article are exactly like you - lazy and stupid...they don't bother to provide any context or analysis for what are hilariously absurd statements...

i've been over his history, stats, and team, in detail...i don't care what lazy, stupid people like you think...i care when lazy, stupid people like you get quoted in articles and other lazy, stupid noobs show up screaming, "AH-HA!...he sucks, lets draft Freeman omg boner!!" or some such lazy, stupid shit that lazy, stupid noobs are prone to say....

if you have a claim to make, then make it and defend it with actual a) facts and b) context.....otherwise lazy, stupid people like you, and those noobs, and the cowards in this article are wasting all of our time and making this place ****ing dumber by the ****ing second....

is that clear enough for you, you lazy stupid piece of shit?

man, i promised i wouldn't even discuss until the draft...but this place is now infested with zombie ****ing reeruns....

I think that those who think Sanchez or Stafford are clear #1 overall picks, but Bradford would be a bust... are crazy.

You can't ever tell for certain, but I'd prefer Bradford over the other 2, no doubt. I'd definately take him at #3 or #1 this year.

Bradford may not be a bust, but he has a lot more to overcome than do Stafford and Sanchez.

He is a spread QB who would have to learn all new mechanics, how to make reads and go through progressions, and he doesn't have nearly the arm strength.

No way in hell he should rate ahead of those two.

Yep. Its magnified this year by the fact that we just so happen to be in the market for one...

I like Sanchez but what scares me is I don't think he was as good as Leinart and he hasn't turned out yet, but a lot of times circumstances dictate things. Stafford is a definite top 10 pick.

Yeah but QB values are always inflated because it's such a prime position. If it's a bad year or it's a good year for QB's, somebody is still gonna be looking for them in the top 10. That's why some years you get Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan and some years you get Tim Couch and David Carr.

Your joking right? Hes maybe going to be another Chad Pennington.

Full-reerun

Obviously he didnt have the success Lienart had, but his physical tools are far greater.

Well gosh I think I do. You just don't happen to agree with me. Tough
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Very true.

Its by far the biggest boom or bust decision to make. But everyone also needs to understand most teams dont draft safe picks like a LB in the top 3. The position isnt enough of a difference maker to justify the pick. Unless its an elite pass rushing guy.

Well FTR douchebag, plenty of folks yesterday said that they would. So if you wouldn't what's your problem?
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Didnt have the same type players that Leinart had either.

Mecca told him to say so
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[QUOTE=BigRichard;5512788]I love how the blowhards who think they know so much talk so much they make it seem they are majority here. But the poll the other day proved otherwise only 15 percent said they'd be very upset if the chiefs didn't draft a qb.
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