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"Experts" say and think the same as Mecca...
(https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=202998)
"Experts" say and think the same as Mecca...
about Sanchez.
Every Monday, Arrowhead Addict editor/lead writer Adam Best will kick off the week with his AA Greeting — his one-of-a-kind POV on all things Chiefs. What is this gibberish I’m reading around Chiefs Nation that Mark Sanchez didn’t fare well at the combine. Really? What are my fellow Red-and-Golders smoking? Today, Scout Inc.’s Todd McShay — who’s Gus Johnson to Mel Kiper’s Dick Vitale — raved about Sanchez, especially his confidence, ability to break down film and intangibles. In fact, McShay talked about the “it” factor. You know, the one I’ve been saying that Sanchez has and Matt Stafford doesn’t for weeks now. Well, apparently quite a few of the personnel folks he talked to agree with me. He even said that there is some movement from Stafford to Sanchez as to who the No. 1 quarterback is. SportingNews.com’s Russ Lande said: Southern Cal’s Mark Sanchez helped himself in passing drills and tests. He showed a quick, compact delivery and release. He drove into his passes and the ball exploded out of his hand. His throws had good velocity and a tight, clean spiral. With Georgia’s Matthew Stafford choosing not to throw, Sanchez proved their competition to be the draft’s top quarterback is far from over. Teams were impressed that Sanchez decided to throw and did not look nervous or anxious. ESPN’s John Clayton: A ball of nervous energy, USC QB Mark Sanchez had a good throwing performance Sunday at the combine. After scouring the Interwebs and watching the combine since it kicked off, it seems like most, if not everyone, has been pretty damn impressed by the kid I’ve taken to calling Dirty. So, Don Banks wasn’t impressed. No offense, Don, but after reading your stuff over the years, I’m not so sure Tyra Banks doesn’t know more about the NFL than you do. Then there’s the fervor behind the Tyler Thigpen movement. Dammit! I just wish Chiefs fans didn’t let their wishful thinking cloud their judgment so much. That’s called being a homer. But call me Brian Wilson, because for a while there even I was singing “Wouldn’t It Be Nice.” You know, as in wouldn’t it be nice if some seventh-round, third-string quarterback who once got cut by the effin’ Vikings miraculously became our franchise quarterback? But as the season progressed and Thigpen lost game after game, almost never playing well during crunch time, I soured on him. Hey, Tony Gonzalez has carried the jocks of a lot of pedestrian quarterbacks during his tight end reign of terror. This is just another one for us to add to the list. I also have seen numerous Chiefs fans — not just on this site either — trying to sell that Thigpen’s as good as Matt Cassel. Keep telling yourself that and maybe, just maybe, one day you’ll really believe it. The reasoning behind this is always that Randy Moss and Wes Welker blow away what we have. Really? I mean, Dwayne Bowe and Tony Gonzalez, the best tight end of all time, aren’t a couple of scrubs. Oh, and only one of these guys made the Pro Bowl this year — Tony G. Sure, Cassel’s offensive line was better, but what about his backs? Kevin Faulk and a bunch of punks and nobodies? BenJarvus Green-Ellis? That sounds like a disease, man. Meanwhile, we had Jamal Charles and Larry Johnson for most of the season. I really don’t think Cassel was at that much of an advantage, especially when you consider that he had to deal with things like actual expectations and pressure, not to mention playing in a much, much better division.The AFC West was garbage last year, especially defensively. Sorry, but Thigpen is just not in Cassel’s league. Just read what Peter King had to say about Cassel today, from SI.com: I’m surprised that a quarterback who played as well as Cassel did for the last 10 weeks of the season is being viewed by most people in the league as too risky to chart a long-term course with. It’s not often in free agency or in trade that a young quarterback with promise is available. And while I understand it’s a millstone around Cassel that he’d require probably two fairly high picks plus an average of $14 million-ish a year in a contract, I still think I’d rather have Cassel as my quarterback of the future than, say, Matthew Stafford. And the money’s not that much different. Cassel is the real deal, folks. I don’t think anybody would be writing that about Thigpen if he was franchised or even a free agent right now. Then again, I can’t ever see a QB of his caliber being franchised. Another thing I keep reading over and over and over again is shock that anybody at all is discussing the Chiefs picking or trading for a quarterback with Thigpen in the fold. Wake up, people! If you don’t have a very good quarterback, then you don’t have a quarterback at all. Period. Considering that quarterback is the single most important position in the NFL and we don’t have a good one, yeah, it’s going to be a top priority. Probably the priority. You can have all the Aaron Currys in the world running amok, but if you have a hack quarterback it won’t make any difference. Am I being hard on Thigpen? No. Not at all. He had a prolonged audition that he never really earned before being thrust into the starting line-up. Our offense was 26th in the league in scoring. Our defense was 29th in points allowed, which means that we had to be aggressive on offense to try and keep pace. Suddenly, the ArrowSpread and Thiggy don’t look so hot any longer. Then you throw in his completion percentage, and it’s not looking good for Thigpen. It’s never personal. I was hard on Brodie Croyle because I didn’t see him ever being a winning quarterback. He had a lot of starts, and could never win a game. Meanwhile, Thigpen has now had a good chunk of starts, too, and the only game he has won was that freebie up in Oakland. And that game was definitely a freebie. I know — I was there! I really don’t care if all of Chiefs Nation agrees with me on this one. When it comes to quarterbacks, my track record — Brodie Croyle, Matt Ryan, etc… — speaks for itself. I am confident that Thigpen will not be our quarterback of the future. Very confident. I also don’t think that there is any way men like Todd Haley and Scott Pioli are going to hedge their careers on Thiggy Smalls. Just writing that makes me feel a little ridiculous, actually. In case you forgot, the Herm Edwards era is over. The Pioli Trinity will bring someone in to at least compete with him. I guaran-damn-tee you that. If he wins the job, hey, more power to him. That would be a dream come true for me, as I’ve been waiting my whole life for the Chiefs to find a young franchise QB. I just can’t see it. Sorry. The other thing I keep reading that irks me is this Aaron Curry is the “safe” pick, the “safest pick in the draft.” Makes me want to puke. Hey, the kid has a great story and is a phenomenal athlete. But he’s a middle freakin’ linebacker in a year when linebackers seem to be miraculously raining from the sky like frogs or something! Let’s get serious here. Is Chiefs Nation still so haunted by the ghost of Todd Blackhedge that we remain scared you-know-what-less when it comes to drafting or trading for a promising young quarterback. What was that expression? Scared money don’t make money. I’m confident that The Pioli Trilogy realizes that. They aren’t going to allow the ghosts of Chiefs’ past or any wishful thinking to lead them down the wrong path. Me? I don’t call the shots, but I’m liking Cassel and Sanchez more and more every single day (I still like Michael Crabtree as well, by the way). Hopefully, the Chiefs are, too, because these kids have the chops to become star quarterbacks in this league under the right guidance (ahem, Todd Haley). P.S. - With free agency around the corner, and us almost certainly moving to a 3-4, I’m thinking these will be my top candidates when I drop my free agency post later this week, which will probably be another Blueprint… ILB Bart Scott DE Chris Canty OT Khalif Barnes Lance Moore is also a guy who’s very, very intriguing to me. I think he could become a star in Haley’s system. |
I approve of Josh Freeman.
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#1) There were mixed reviews of Sanchez's performance. There were quite a few 'experts' that didn't think he did well at all. #2) The interviews weren't televised, but his passing drills were... and he did poorly in those. And, that is what the fans in here were discussing. #3) It is in the best interests of the media, especially ESPN which broadcasts the draft, to keep the top QB spot as compelling as possible. Anything to make us tune in on draft day. #4) Mecca was saying that throwing at the combine woudl do nothing but help him because he had all the physical tools. I didn't see that in the few passes I saw him throw. Few would argue that he had a 'good' showing in the passing drills. At best he was 'adequate'. The guy is a project due to his inexperience, so I really want to see a superior arm, not an adequate one. Hey, I'm no expert, just offering up a different view. I still think Stafford is the only QB worth taking at #3, but that is JMO. |
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People talk about Sanchez inexperience in all of Freemans starts he still plays like he just stepped on campus... I still wouldn't go pimping McShay as a great source he's one of the dumbest guys ESPN puts on the air, but the combine is what it is. It's what you're looking for so not everyone will have the same view. I personally wasn't impressed by what Pat White was doing yet everyone else seemed to be. And yes no one gets to see any sort of interview or intelligence test, those are the things that Sanchez is good at and no one gets to see those. |
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That is much easier to stomach than taking Sanchez with the third. The other thing is that Freeman doesn't have the surrounding talent or coaching staff that Sanchez does. It makes a difference. There are a lot of guys that look great in college due to the coaching, and talent around them that never pan out in the NFL. There are also a lot of guys that never look great in college because they are not put in the best position to win by their coaches and their teamates. This is doubly true at the QB position. |
Why is it ok to blow a 2nd round pick on a QB but not a 1st round pick? If either one busts you just blew a pick with a team that is in a position that it needs both those picks to pan out.
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Whatever, I'll trust the choices Pioli makes on this...
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As fans people saw him miss WRs that he has never thrown to (timing). Experts watch things like his feet and release and believe he is capable of being a solid QB in the NFL.
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I was watching his feet and drop backs everytime....like right away when Pat White did it I was like he looks sloppy...
If you have great feet and mechanics you can have a below average arm and be fine, ask Trent Green about that. |
Add that with accuracy and you are pretty damn good.
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I would take a young Trent Green with no injuries for the next 10-12 years.
That's just me though. |
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Anyone and I mean anyone that tells me their ideal draft is Aaron Curry and Rhett Bomar has a screw loose. |
I myself have thrown out many draft scenarios and Chiefs' fans go ape shit both positive and negative.
It boils down to there are people who are getting paid to know everything possible about these players. The Chiefs will pick the best guy in their opinion and some on this board will be cheering and telling you I told you so...rep rep rep. Other will be furious and talk about how Pioli and haley are the dumbest ever. I have never been more excited about an offseason in years. I want to see progress on the field come September and they can sign and draft whoever to make that happen. |
I think there are some things the Chiefs can justify I just don't see any sort of way to justify to me a LB in the top 3 picks that doesn't rush the passer.
Take Marcus Freeman in the 3rd round if you want a damn LB. |
It's all moot because Sanchez will be a Lion
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I heard on movin the chains...that the lions will take top LT with pick #1 and a QB with #20
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Now, to the point. If you sign a QB at #3, you lose the chance to draft another franchise type player. Plus, QB's are one of the most hit and miss prospects in the draft. If you draft one at #3, you will pay him about 30 million guaranteed dollars more than if you draft one at the top of round #2. Stafford is the only QB I see worth the risk at #3, he is the only one with truly superior talent, IMO. I know that you think that Sanchez has superior talent, but Pat White looked better throwing the ball on Sunday. If I thought Sanchez was an elite prospect, it would be different. I just don't. |
I didn't think Pat White looked better, all of his dropbacks were sloppier than hell and when he was throwing the arm strength throws I thought he looked like a little kid trying to throw a ball that was to big for him...he literally looked like he was trying to throw that shit with every single thing in his body.
And what franchise player are they going to take there? We can't use a hypothetical of one that doesn't exist, and Aaron Curry is not a franchise player either. |
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Oh, and I thought we were drafting Sanchez because he has all the physical tools, not because he has a below average arm with great mechanics. We can get those guys later in the draft. |
Pat White already said he would play other positions, because teams are looking at him for the "wildcat". They think Pat is interesting due to his athleticism and that he would blow the wildcat up. Every comment about him being a fulltime QB is he is way too small.
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And I'm sorry no one is going to convince me Pat White looked great out there, he's a good athlete everyone knows that already. He was not dropping back well, he's a midget and he was throwing his outs like a pitcher putting so much of everything he had in his body into them I was cracking up. |
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Curry will be a Pro Bowl linebacker. In the 3-4, he will slide inside and he is a bigger, faster, stronger Ray Lewis. A Pro Bowl, potential HOF linebacker is much more of a franchise player than a bust at QB. And, since I believe that Sanchez will be a bust at QB, I would rather have Curry. |
Pat White does not equal Doug Flutie in terms of full time way too short QB.
I can see Pat White in certain packages being outstanding, but not full time. |
I don't believe Curry is Ray Lewis.....so how about that?
I think he has a better chance of being AJ Hawk than he does Lewis... |
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Curry / Sanchez...I will tell you who I'd rather have in 4 years
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that would be wonderful. I really do want the Dirty! |
I still think you're better off taking LB's in the middle rounds, LBs are the RB's of defense you should be able to cycle guys in there and get production.
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The odd thing is that Sanchez had mixed reviews, but everyone agreed that Pat White looked good other than you. I think you like to act like you know a lot more than you do. You think it gives you some additional credibility. It doesn't. It makes the less gullible people in here realize you are a fool, and talk out of your a$$. But, hey, if coming off like you are some expert on a fans message board is what gets you off.... good for you. It is one thing to have an opinion, it is another to act like an 'expert', when it is clear that you have no idea what you are talking about. |
Oh yes I obviously have no idea what I'm talking about....you think that because you disagree with me.
I'm right far more than I'm wrong, my history on this forum speaks to that. |
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Face it...if they beat ANYBODY this year they have improved. ROFL |
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That is something I would have never anticipated going into Sunday. Clearly, I would RATHER have Sanchez. I think he has more talent than White by far. The point is that Sanchez had a poor showing. So poor, that Pat White looked better. |
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You don't get a shot at a top QB very often and some people just want to piss it away to rebuild a team that never won. |
Do any of you consider that the Chiefs will be trading down from the number 3 pick? I still think its highly likely that the Chiefs Swap with the NE Patriots for Cassel and we then draft at 23. Even if we do not trade with NE we still could be moving down to grab more picks.
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Like I said, I don't mind having a different opinion, but it is clear you are talking over your head when discussing mechanics, and footwork. Frankly, you talked about how wonderful Sanchez would do in the drills because he had all this 'talent'.... and talent and the arm was NEVER the question, and blah blah blah. He gets out there and falls on his face, and I think you are trying to save face a little talking about how great his mechanics were. Frankly, he had a much longer delivery than I thought he would have, and he didn't have near the zip on the ball that I expected. I was thoroughly dissapointed. So, now you want to come off as an expert and discuss something that you don't think anyone will challenge you on. |
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If they really did that for Cassell I would literally lose my mind. |
I think it is hard to trade the top 3 picks now, because it is so much money to sign.
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For awhile I was operating under the assumption that Sanchez wasn't worth the #3, but I've been looking and now I'm trying to justify who IS worth the #3 and this is a hard question to answer. The fact is, this draft is so shitty that we should start it at pick #10. What that means is that I wouldn't hate to take Sanchez at #3, but only because everybody else sucks too. Of all the years to have the #3 pick... |
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First you need a trade partner going to be hard to find in a draft weak at the top. |
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Exploded out of his hand.......were you expecting a JaMarcus Russell workout or something?
Matt Ryans workout wasn't awe inspiring either, I never said he possessed a howitzer arm I said it was above average and comparable to slightly better than Matt Ryans arm. When judging someones arm you have to ask yourself is it good enough to play at the NFL level if the answer is yes than that should be the end of the question. The ball explodes out of Kyle Bollers hand how's that working? Super duper arm strength is nice to have but it isn't required, who in the NFL that is a great player has a super duper arm? |
This is why
1 1 Taylor Mays FS Southern California 6-3 230 1 this dude is going to dominate in the NFL 2 1 Brandon Spikes ILB Florida 6-3 245 1 3 1 Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma 6-6 262 1 4 1 Russell Okung OT Oklahoma State 6-5 300 1 5 1 Colt McCoy QB Texas 6-3 216 1 6 1 Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska 6-4 305 1 7 2 Trent Williams OT Oklahoma 6-5 309 1 8 3 Ciron Black OT LSU 6-5 328 1 9 2 Terrence Cody DT Alabama 6-5 368 1 10 1 Mark Herzlich OLB Boston College 6-4 238 1 11 2 Tim Tebow QB Florida 6-3 238 1 12 1 Trevard Lindley CB Kentucky 6-0 178 1 13 1 C.J. Spiller RB Clemson 5-11 193 1 14 1 Brandon LaFell WR LSU 6-3 210 1 15 2 Sergio Kindle OLB Texas 6-4 238 1 16 3 Sean Weatherspoon OLB Missouri 6-1 235 1 1 1 Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma 6-4 218 2 1 Eric Berry SS Tennessee 5-11 195 3 1 Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma 6-4 295 4 1 Carlos Dunlap DE Florida 6-6 286 5 1 Jonathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech 5-11 228 6 2 Jevan Snead QB Mississippi 6-3 215 7 1 Arrelious Benn WR Illinois 6-2 214 8 2 Marvin Austin DT North Carolina 6-3 305 9 1 Navorro Bowman OLB Penn State 6-1 228 10 1 Joe Haden CB Florida 5-11 185 11 1 Rolando McClain ILB Alabama 6-4 248 12 1 Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa 6-6 304 13 2 Everson Griffen DE Southern California 6-3 265 14 2 Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma State 6-2 210 15 2 Jahvid Best RB California 5-10 195 16 1 Rob Gronkowski TE Arizona 6-6 258 17 1 Rodney Hudson OG Florida State 6-2 295 |
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1st group were JRs and 2nd group Sophs
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Eric Berry is a better prospect, and that's from me a SC fan.
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Aaron Curry is the real deal. He has been a multi year starter. He has the complete package. He is an ideal ILB in the 3-4. He is a non stop motor guy, a true leader on the defensive side of the ball. He is big and fast. Sanchez has only one year of starting experience. Sanchez won the starting job in 07 before suffering an injury. However, later in the season Booty was injured and Sanchez was given the opportunity to start. He was yanked after three games. John David Booty isn't Matt Leinart or Carson Palmer, if you know what I mean. Forgive my skepticism regarding him. I just don't think he is a great prospect. |
With Mays size and abilities a "good" DCoor will be able to do amazing stuff with him
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Here we go again. Same argument. Same reasoning, from both sides. Did we really need a new thread for this? How many of these threads do we need? Three or so every day until draft day?
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And for all we know Aaron Curry could be Derrick Johnson, no one is safe no one is a sure thing. |
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Eric Berry has superb ballskills and resembles Ed Reed. |
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Actually, he's saying the same thing I have been - it's Cassel all the way.
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Now cue one of the people around here who loves Colt McCoy..... |
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It is getting old, we all get it SCF you don't like Sanchez we got it 150 post ago. :doh!: |
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That said, his arm isn't phenomenal either. |
You know who has a phenomenal arm...JaMarcus Russell, I see people make fun of him pretty much all the time..
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I know Sanchez was highly recruited out of High School, but he had done nothing until this year. So, considering that you are willing to call him an elite prospect based on one good year, then who knows who will come up with a good enough year next year to be the guy you bang the drum for and say we have to take the 'chance'. One year wonders happen all the time. |
I'd love for you to point out to me a 5 star top notch recruit who's playing in a pro style offense right now that is ready to declare after a great season..
Give me the example, I've even tried to go over that and it's just not there. |
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Russell was a Junior as well, and had two years starting experience. |
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Okay, well that makes sense. I mean, those things are spot on. |
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One thing that nobody mentions....I bet Sanchez hopes the Chiefs don't take him.
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Average height, average build, slightly above average arm, and above average mobility. That isn't enough in my mind to overcome the fact that he couldn't beat out John David Booty. That isn't enough to overcome the fact that Pete Carroll says he isn't ready. That isn't enough to overcome the fact that junior QB's struggle historically, and I don't know of a single one that had only 16 games starting experience. With the sexual assault allegations, and the fact that he blew off his parents and his coach in going pro.... I just think he is an arrogant know it all that will soon fall on his face and realize how little he actually knew. It will be interesting to see who Pioli agrees with on draft day. You or me. |
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I think that is an accurate statement. And, since he is only going to get the one big contract.....:D |
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I think you should go watch the Pete Carroll video I posted. I also love how you think you know who or what he is because you read a couple of stories. I pretty much disagree with your entire post but hey good job getting your sexual assault thing in you talk about that more than every other poster here combined do you have some kind of fixation? Obviously you know more than the cops do even though you were you know thousands of miles away. |
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