If Curry is gone at the 3 spot...who do we take or what do we do?
 

Say the Lions draft Curry, Rams draft Smith....do we take Monroe/Orakpo/or drop a few spots to get someone else?

They won't. NO. Yes.

I've never been an advocate of trading down, but I'd take a hit on chart value to get out of that spot, even if Curry IS still there.

The odds are beyond slim, however.

Aaron Curry isn't going to be a top 3 pick can we just come off this now, especially since this team wants to go 3-4.

Want a tip here, BJ Raji or move down if they can is probably what you're looking at.

Rey Maualuga is a better pick and much better value than Aaron Curry is if you're a 3-4 team...

NFL channel says Curry would be good fit in 3-4 so does 8:10

Under the above scenario, Stafford might be big enough bait for a team like SF. And to be honest, I wouldn't care if we had to wipe with cotton balls for a week after the exchange.

Recoup a second rounder. That's what I want. More would be gravy.

Why is Yuma talking about the Chiefs?

As a MLB, and taking a MLB for a 3-4 that high is pretty bad especially when there's another guy that can do it better going later...

Curry is not a pass rusher don't have visions of him getting 10 sacks.

Sounds like a horror show

IMO, there's no reason not to trade down. Regardless of who is available.

than lets go ahead and try to get Canty..offer more money than the Giants because thats the team Schefter keeps talking about where he could land

Most of the players that the Chiefs will look at are about the same now...

I have a hard time having visions of him getting 2 sacks.

Aaron Curry is like a shittier version of Takeo Spikes thats the best way to describe him.

This would be wonderful because you would have teams falling over themselves to get at Stafford. Excellent trade bait.

Not going to happen, though. Curry number one would cause the entire CP Forum to implode.

When I read his biggest fan say he compares to DJ Williams, and I've watched DJ Williams suck ass in this division for years, I have a hard time thinking he's worth a Top 20 pick, much less a Top 5.

You can get a MLB that gives you the same production in later rounds.

**** I'd rather trade to 10 and put Rey Maualuga in there than take Curry 3.

If you run the tampa two and got him in the second round you could be really stoked. But the bucs used that pick on K2.

If Curry is gone. Take Monroe from Virginia. He was good enough to keep Brandon Albert at guard. That would give us a dominant O-line for the next 10-12 years. It might even make LJ want to play football again.

And now we're back to the Oline argument, why is this fan base so obsessed with offensive linemen?

Mother of god.

Not every ****ing linebacker has to get 15 sacks.

I have visions of a ball-hawking linebacker. That's what I have visions of.

I'd be willing to place whatever sig bet you want on the fact that Curry will have a much more successful first 2 seasons than Rey will.

A right tackle with #3 over all. Great yea. Or even better a left guard with #3. You O line all the time guys are great.

Why are some in this fan base so obsessed with linebackers only rushing the passer?

It would be best to trade down. But I'd have to say, if you got locked in that spot, you might just have to go OL. I know that will make certain people go bat feces crazy, but then again a lot of those people are the same ones saying Curry, Orakpo, Crabtree, etc aren't worth top 5 picks. Which pretty much leaves offensive linemen. We really need to go defense but the best value at that pick might be on the line.

If you run a 3-4 defense they are SUPPOSE TO RUSH THE PASSER, is that difficult to understand?

Did people miss this memo that Herm and his cover 2 is gone?

They better or they are not worth the #3 over all.

Sorry, but that's bullshit.

Monroe played tackle because that's the only position he could play, where Albert was versatile enough to play guard.

Moving a kid that is going to be a rock-solid LTOTF just for the **** of it is beyond ridiculous.

I want to know if people missed this memo that the Chiefs are going to be a 3-4 team.

LB's in the 3-4 rush the ****ing passer.

Either Oher or Raji if you can't trade down.

C'mon.

You know that's not what this is about.

Effective MLB's can be found in just about any round.

True pass rushers are special, are more valuable, and go early.

No one is devaluing the kid, but if he can't rush the passer, which by his own admission is something he would have to "learn to do", then he's just not that valuable.

Oher isn't even a top 10 pick. Christ.

He's lucky if he's a top 20 pick at this point.

this is what i always want to respond a awww jeeez not this shit again. why dont you throw that otw?:D

This.

I hope we can find someone to trade with

It sounds to me none of the anti-Curry people believe this kid can be coached

Yes you can just coach a guy to have pass rush ability, if it was that easy pass rushers wouldn't be one of the most valued things in the league now would they?

Remember last year? Everyone wanted him to come out early because he was going to be top 5. Boy, that sure was a kick in his errrrr, wallet.

panic

I personally think we'll learn alot more about what will be done with the #3 over the next couple of weeks of FA. If the Chiefs bring in a LB or two, or a 3-4 DE, that would lend me to believe its going another direction.

Given NE's history, they seem to stockpile picks, most every year. They ended up trading completely out of the first round, and then have had multiple years of 1st round draft picks.

I can see a trade down scenerio, especially if someone has a hardon for the remaining top 3 player.

I'm a fan that just wants positive moves made that make me feel good about the future of the team. I want the Chiefs to be good, by the time my daughter is old enough to go to a game.

Don't talk to me in your condesending prick way like I'm JASONSAUTO.

So the inside linebacker in the 3-4 is supposed to rush the passer?

Is that what you're trying to tell me?

NE's history until last year, was to sign FA LB's and draft high on the DL....if you use their history everything points to Raji.

Uh yea they do at times, both of the MLB's don't drop in coverage every time.

You can take it condescending if you want, I don't care but to act like him not having pass rush ability doesn't matter is a head shaker.

me too the little one's almost 4 so we dont have long...

Hell why don't we just coach a left tackle to also play LB. I guess I never figured it was that easy. Why even draft some one at all we can just coach thigpen into getting us 17 sacks next year coming off the edge. Glad this is all finally figured out.

so mecca...you're telling me then, Curry doesn't know which way to run to the QB...like it's an art form similar to the Cirque Du Solier?

People think this is Madden where everyones rating just auto goes up and you taking a LB or a DE high just means he can automatically get sacks.

LOL when I watched him run the 40 at the combine he was 320-330 pounds of nothing but ass and hamstrings. The commentators were joking about how he wore his "T.O." tights to run. ROFL

What pass rush moves does an inside linebacker need to have? 9 times out of 10 they aren't going to plant their hand on the ground and have to beat an OT. They are blitzing.

Maybe I just haven't been around much lately, but some of you people appear really angry, almost too angry about some of this stuff. We're just discussing football, seriously people. Some of you guys treat every post like someone who disagrees with you is some spiteful child who deserves to be punished..

He admitted in an interview he's never rushed the passer or been asked to do that...

what the ****'s it got to do with me? he talks to everyone that way

Well atleast he's built properly.

shit he said he'd run a 5.06 and ran a 5.13 damn close

People have been extra pissed lately.

Very entertaining.

Agreed! Whats that rating on tank and turk we should be set, right?ROFL

He didn't act like it would be any big deal though. The way Curry sheds blocks combined with his speed he'll be able to rush the passer if that's what's asked of him.


PhilFree:arrow:

Ya, that was when they were talking to Warren Sapp, and touched on the fact that Warren ran a 4.69. That is un-f$#@ing real for a big body. Hell, that would be good for the RB's and TE's this year.

Of course he acted that way, his non pass rush ability is the biggest thing that can drop him, if I was him I'd always say I could do it and it's no problem. It's millions of dollars...

Think of if this way, if you're running a 3-4 without a proper line you're LB's are going to get manhandled by offensive lineman.

this. and I got a pm question for you regarding that very subject.

Wow, do you always answer to peoples opinions cursing. Damn, get a life.

He didn't really cuss at you....it's just the way some of us talk, are you offended?

What's that got to do with what Curry can or can't do with his skill set? You make it sound like it would be rocket science for Curry to rush the passer and that's just to far over the top. I don't have problem with drafting Raji though I just think Curry would be a good pick too. Honestly if Stafford is on the board and I can't get anyone to trade up for him I might just take him.


PhilFree:arrow:

If pass rushing was as easy as coaching I don't think you'd see teams like the Chiefs set a record for the fewest amount of sacks...or see DE's get paid like QB's.

I just don't like that argument at all pass rushing is something guys either have or they don't very rarely does someone develop it and if they do it's usually only to a passable level.

I'd agree that LB's don't normally get taken very high. But DT's don't either. There's only been one DT taken top 3 in the last decade or so. Six in the last 20 years. And that list is Gerard Warren, Darrell Russell, Dan Wilkinson, Steve Entman, Russell Maryland, and Cortez Kennedy.

The thing is that there is nobody saying Curry can't rush the passer. People like Mayock say he can do it and he's not the only one.


PhilFree:arrow:

Hey, that's not fair. Vonnie Holiday and Eric Hicks were coached into sack artists.
:D

His 9 sacks in his college career and the words out of his own mouth say he's not a polished pass rusher.

also, I don't know what the big deal is; Curry can beach coached. JFC, we have Crumrie.

:evil:

I'm simply putting it this way, this team obviously desires to be a 3-4 team, the most important position in a 3-4 is a nose tackle, without it you'll get killed up the middle.

If people want to point to the Pats all 3 of their Dlineman are 1st round picks...

But there is nothing that says he can't rush the passer in the NFL. He has the tools along with his coverage skills and his ability to take on and shed blocks on his way to making plays.


PhilFree:arrow:

No one knows if he has tools to rush the passer because he doesn't do it.

I'm not offended. But some of you need a Time Out. Do you think Pioli and his coaches, have already evaluated the talents of rushing linebackers. Maybe they think there is no talent there this year. Could be why they picked up Vrabel as a stopgap player. Was DeMarcus Ware a great pass rusher, or did he have all the physical skills?

DeMarcus Ware was a defensive end in college that racked up double digit sacks so yea.

I do think Raji is a good pick for the Chiefs. Obviously I like Curry too.


PhilFree:arrow:

Let's either trade for Shaun Rogers or draft Ndamukong Suh next year. Suh could also play a little tight end

If we're waiting till next year we'll draft Terrence Cody.

OK, but Suh might have been a first round pick this year.

And Cody wouldn't have been?

Next years defensive class is ridiculous.

another reason to attempt to trade out a bit.


I suspect the Cheifs will be a top 12 pick next year as well and will have more flexibility as it relates to defensive position (since we need a lot) and value.

IMO

Oh cmon I want a higher pick so we can get Eric Berry!