Bills | Interested in acquiring Waters
 

Bills | Interested in acquiring Waters
Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:04:25 -0800

Pat Moran, of Scout.com, reports the Buffalo Bills are interested in trading for Kansas City Chiefs OG Brian Waters, according to source.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

I'd say a 2nd sounds reasonable.

OK who do we want in return from them... or draft picks?

1st rounder?

Hmmmmm....

Lets talk...maybe we get our second rounder back???

I don't know a team that wouldn't be interested in Waters.

Marcus Stroud

I wish they would but i doubt it. Maybe a 3rd or 4th. I'm positive that Scott will get our 2nd rounder back. Probably by unloading LJ.

It'd have to be a #2 for me to even entertain the discussion.

Weren't they interested in Gonzo a while back? I wonder if he could make his way into this deal.

I'd want Marcus Stroud and a 5th.

Gonzalez and Waters for a #2 and #3?

For Brian Waters? A 32 year old probowl guard? you're probably gonna get a 3rd rounder. I think his value doesn't go anymore then that.

Depends on how much they want him. Sounds like they are the ones reaching out to the Chiefs and not the other way around.

We have a decent QB coming in now, so why not send our best reciever and our best O linemen to another team? Yeah, that makes sense.

http://buf.scout.com/2/843380.html

Bills interested in Chiefs guard

Brian Waters (Getty Images)
By Pat Moran
Scout.com writer
Posted Mar 1, 2009


BFR's Pat Moran has the lowdown on a possible trade looming. The Bills might not be finished upgrading their offensive line. Disgruntled guard Brian Waters could be Buffalo-bound. Read this Buffalo Football Report exclusive inside...

The Buffalo Bills are interested in trading for disgruntled Kansas City Chiefs guard Brian Waters, according to a trusted source.

The Bills, in the market for a new left guard after releasing Derrick Dockery on Thursday, could be looking to land the four-time Pro Bowler for a deal similar to the Marcus Stroud trade last year, when they gave up third and fifth round draft picks.

Waters has become disenchanted with the additions to the Chiefs organization. According to Kansas City Star writer Jason Whitlock, Waters asked for his release after new general manager Scott Pioli said he had no interest in meeting him. Whitlock said that Waters was “offended and shocked.”

Also according to the report, several Arizona Cardinals, including Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald, gave new head coach Todd Haley less than glowing reviews. Haley was called “condescending and ignored by veterans.”

While Waters is 32 years of age and the Chiefs offensive line struggled mightily, there is little doubt about his ability to perform. He would be an instant upgrade over Dockery and could give Buffalo one of the finer left sides of the offensive line in the NFL alongside Jason Peters.

The Bills would likely have to give Waters a new deal. He’s in the fourth year of a six year, $26.5 million deal and has made no bones about declaring himself underpaid.

While an interest in a Waters trade hasn’t been made public, a source inside the organization tells me the Bills are “very much interested in him.”

Pioli refused to honor his request to be released and weren’t open to trading him. But that could change after the Chiefs lost a second-round pick in acquiring Matt Cassel from the New England Patriots. By trading the displeased Waters, the club could recoup draft picks as well as not have their new franchise quarterback hampered with an offensive line that includes an exceedingly unhappy left guard.

Stay tuned right here for more details as they come available.

Because they're too old to help us when we will be good, whereas a draft pick will not.

Make sense?

Not me.

I'd take a 4th or even a 5th.

This draft is so deep with offensive lineman, plus, Herb Taylor's just waiting to be the starting left guard.

I can see what you're trying to say here, however, if he's not a happycamper and doesn't want to be here as some reports indicate, what else can you really do?

I'd say that is a little too much for Waters.

Maybe a 3rd.

Tony G. and Waters for their 2nd and 3rd would be great. Then if we can find a way to get rid of LJ, we wouldn't have anymore of the spoiled babies on our team. We then could build a team.... Not just have some Pro Bowlers.

A couple things I don't like about this -

1. It further depletes an already struggling line. If I remember correctly, this is Herb Taylor's natural position so he could step in, but Waters is a probowler so this would be a downgrade. We already need a new C, RG and RT.

2. Most of the quality Olinemen available in free agency are now off the market. There's still Khalif Barnes if we need a RT but very few others. That means, we'd be heading into the draft with four holes on our offensive line.

3. Waters is a leader on that line (not to mention the entire team) and certainly not doing Brandon Alberts any harm as a mentor.

Hopefully his comments were made when he was still upset over what happened. So perhaps this all blows over when he calms down. I know Haley/Pioli were planning on "reaching out" to Larry Johnson. I can't imagine they'd be so quick to part with Waters.

Seriously? You'd take a 5th Round draft pick for your best offensive lineman who just went to a Pro Bowl and probably has at least 3 more years of productive football left in him?

Buh-bye Waters....Nice knowing ya.

He just wants more money and does not want to start over/rebuild/compete for his job.

AND YES...he SHOULD be competing for his job after this little tampontrum.

After just watching Pioli trade our 2nd for both Cassel and Vrabel, some peeps think it's possible that we'll trade Waters for a 5?

Now I know why the Israelites built that golden calf thing while Moses' back was turned.

FAX

#2 (acquired in trade) Darrius Heyward-Bey
#3 (Chiefs pick) Eric Wood
#3 (acquired in trade) Lawrence Sidbury or Chase Coffman or Jonathan Luigs

Where do I sign?

Well, that would allow us to slide Albert to LG and draft one of the top LTs in this draft.

Package him with LJ somewhere so they actually have some kind of value combined...

All our vets are whiny, coddled players. We have Carl, Herm and Vermeil to thank for that, our players have been conditioned to think that the organization is concerned about their feelings, and that they have a say in how football operations will evolve....such is simply not the case anymore.

Enjoy your new homes gentleman, this team is busy building a winner and doesn't have time for your self-pity.

That'd make for one hell of a left side of the Offensive Line.
Not sure I'd do that, but talk about "protection".

A part of me thinks LJ is the least expendable of the three in the minds of Chiefs brass. Not sure why I feel that way... I just think he's gonna be here when the season opens.

I would hope that Pioli will "calm the water" so to speak. I think he and BW will work things out.

trade them waters and LJ for 1st rd and Jason Peters

ROFL

Except that none of those players will be available when you want them. DHB is a potential late 1st, early 2nd pick right now...and Wood goes in the 2nd guaranteed.

Our draft just got flipped upside down without the 2nd, but we should all buckle up, I don't think we're done moving things around, there's another 2 months to the draft yet...

He can only blame his agent for that....

Hmm...

Why, in the name of ****, would you want to move Branden Albert, who is going to be a Pro Bowl left tackle, to a less important position on the line where he goes from being underpaid to overpaid as a virtue of the move, and causes you to dump millions more on a replacement whose upside is little more than what Albert has already proven he can do?

Jason Peters led the NFL in sacks allowed last year for a run-first team.

If Fitzgerald gave Haley less than glowing reviews then why did he invite him to go to the Pro Bowl with him?

Makes no ****ing sense.

That's laughable?

I've seen recent mocks that have him going 40th or later.
Buffalo has the #42 pick.

That's why the whole story by JW makes no sense at all. I just think Waters wants out...plain and simple.

Hence the "hmm..."

I've said time and again that Ray Willis would already be signed if I were the Chiefs GM.
He'd be our new RT heading into next season.

Absolutely no chance a guy that is 6'2", 220 lbs who just ran a 4.3 flat is going any later than the first round.

His stock will skyrocket.

Actually that would be himself as he has no agent.

Pioli will rape them

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse....son-012008.jpg So Scott, I understand your pro bowl guard wants a trade. We're interested in acquiring him.

http://stateoftheline.files.wordpres...kevinjames.jpg Shut the **** up. I'm going to make you pay far out the ass. You can have him for your 1st rounder this year and next year. I won't accept anything less.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse....son-012008.jpg That's way too expensive!

http://stateoftheline.files.wordpres...kevinjames.jpg **** you

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse....son-012008.jpg Wait, how about Marcus Stroud and our 1st rounder this year?

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2008/wri...cott-pioli.jpg Meh. I'll think about it. **** yourself and make me a roast beef sandwich

With all of LJ's issues there is no way this would happen. LJ and waters combined may = their 1st round pick and thats a big maybe, but not for Jason Peters as well. Why would they take Waters just to get rid Peters...

Why would they want LJ? Don't they have Lynch and the other guy?

I'm not insisting on it nor saying it will happen but it is a possibility that would a) give us 2/5 of a kick-ass Oline and b) take advantage of the value at the top of the draft. Oline is definitely a need, so it's not like I am insane to suggest we add another piece and adding a top 3 prospect is a great way to replace a 32 year old player on the line.

By the way, there is no guarantee that Albert is "going to be" a Pro Bowl left tackle (although he looked great last year) and, really, I don't care so very much about overpaid/underpaid since it isn't my money as long as the Chiefs are able to field a competetive team (and there doesn't seem to be any money constraints at the moment).

heh. Pioli looks more like The King of Queens than a mobster in that photo.

Sarcasm meter broke much?

It would make more sense to draft a RT #3 than to move Albert to guard.

But that doesn't mean that either would be good decisions.

You should care about the cap because if we have two first round contracts tied up into the two OL positions left of center it means we have less to spend on the RDE, QB, #1 WR, RB, DTs and the other guys who are the prime movers for the team.

You can find a replacement for Brian Waters in the 4th round.

Would you rather roll the dice with BJ Raji, who plays the most important position on the D, and a 4th round guard, or Eugene Monroe and a 3rd or 4th round NT?

This is why people need to take positional value into account at the top of the draft.

somebody should tell this scout.com guy that he should charge this stuff as premium. Nick Athan rips people off with far worse stuff than this.

Adjust sarcasm meter much?

You could be right.

I think there could be a run on WR's at the end of the First Round though. And some of DHB's counterparts were much more decorated in College.

We'll see...
He might not be there, but having that #2 gives us a great shot to get some of the First Round overflow that's sure to be there.

Nothin' gets by you folks. Next time I'll know when you place ... at the end of a post you're being sarcastic.

Forgive me for having a dead battery in my secret decoder ring...

Absolutely.

He's 32.

He's a malcontent.

Get what you can, while you can.

No worries.

We aren't trading Branden Albert.

:Lin:

So, we're basically where the Chiefs were last year.

Nice left side, no right side.


:Lin:

And $60+ million dollars wrapped up in two left tackles.

This is a lot of discussion based upon the writings of an Assclown from Buffalo.

If we had a rookie I would say dumb Waters and move on but adding Cassel puts us in a win quicker mode.

Herb Taylor

Well, if you could find Waters' replacement in the 4th round why would anyone trade anything for him?

Also, I'm taking the long view that all of our problems will not be solved this year so I'm willing to suffer on with a lesser player at one position if we get a much better prospect at another position of importance. By the way, I view the Dline as slightly more important than the Oline (not much) but this draft seems to tilt towards O so I would take that into consideration, as well.

We certainly need a DE, as well, but I don't think many would be thrilled with Orakpo because, even though he may be the best prospect this year, overall, there are concerns. Somewhat similarly in my mind, there are LT prospects who are rated higher than Raji so, that is the thinking, there.

P.S. I would be pretty happy to have Raji, too. Just throwing out a possibility.

Guards aren't difficult to find and Waters is not Will Shields.

If he's going to cry then cya, hopefully we get a decent draft choice in return.

Then keep him. I wouldn't take less than a 1st. At all.

Waters was an undrafted free agent

This.

Do you really think he's strong enough to play that position? He's got good feet for it, but I just don't see him being stout enough at the POA against bigger lineman and the bull rush.

can anyone think of ol trades for comparison?

i'd love a 3rd, but that seems unlikely...maybe a 4th and a 5th

i guess i have no idea what a guard can bring...not much i would assume

He's a dick. He needs to go.

Remember when he pulled some shit a few years back? Missed camp. No one knew where he was? Then it was reported that it was a "family" issue.

It turned out to be a contract issue and he was holding out.

He's thinks he's way more important than he is to the team.

Ship him out.

Waters is anything but a malcontent.
He's been a class act throughout his Chiefs tenure.
The new regime runners just rubbed him the wrong way.

It depends on what he's done in the offseason.

I see no reason why he can't muscle up for left guard before September.

POS Welbourn was traded for a 2nd and 4th, but teams aren't that loose with draft choices any more.

Sorry, I disagree and posted just above you about him missing camp a few years back due to his "family" issues.

And personally, I think HE rubbed the new regime the wrong way.

Not the other way around.

hey hamas and dane and mic, in the FA thread someone said olshansky signed with houston. all i could find was orlovsky(qb) anyone heard anything about igor?

It's not just about getting cock diesel for the season, it's about being able to hold onto that weight when he's not in an offseason S&C regimen. That was always the problem with Wiegmann, he'd shed weight like Lohan during the season because interior lineman are always beat to shit and can't lift all the time.

i agree and have said before the comments about if and when we start winning herm is responsible would chap some asses

Wiki's wrong.

He was traded for a 5th and a 4th.

I'm ****ing watching golf. I just spent the last hour and a half folding clothes and listening to podcasts. I have no idea.