Does anyone know Vrabel's 40 time?
 

I personally believe that Tamba Hali will be an absolute stud in the 3-4 defense. I think he is similar to Mike Vrabel in that he never gives up on a play. He is very active and gives himself fully to the cause.

I have read that Hali is 'too slow'. Does anyone know what Vrabel's 40 yard dash time was? Or any of his drills? I am just wondering how they stack up to Hali's.

Depends on whether he uses his Rascal, Segway, or Pride personal mobility device.

Tamba Hali gets beat by QB's around the end...if you think he can play OLB in a 3-4 I feel bad for you the guy is a marginal starter in a 4-3 defense let alone a 3-4 defense.

I'm ready to be rid of the guy. 40 time or not Tamba Hali plays slow.

Wow. The 40 time of a 12 year vet.

Welker's 40 time is pretty slow too. Pats should probably cut him...

He's trying to argue Hali is fast enough yadda yadda, I don't know how anyone that has ever watched him play could logically argue that.

We will get a chance to see this year as Hali will be an OLB in the 3-4.

By the way, I guess the Chiefs saw Sanchez more like I did than like you did.

It is nice to see the Chiefs making smart moves.

I actually meant coming out of college.

Vrabel was never the fastest guy. He was just a football player.

That's nice. There's 40 times in shorts and T-shirts, and then there is playing fast on the field with full pads and guys running around in every direction.

40 times are nice, but they're not useful for evaluating current NFL players, really.

3.5 minutes

You know what Tamba Hali is really good at?

Getting injured.

I can't believe anyone still gives a shit about him to be honest you'd think after 3 years people would realize the guy just isn't very good.

Turned out to be an EXTREMELY good football player. 40 times are just a measuring device to try to help assess a player that you're projecting into the NFL from college. They're not very useful for evaluating existing NFL players.

I think he missed the point of what he was trying to say anyway because Hali had a shitty 40 and doesn't play fast either he's slow, pretty blah and injury prone.

There is no way I believe this is a legit screen name. This has to be a spoof or something. No way can one human being be this ****ing stupid.

Tamba Hali a stud in a 3-4?

I can't stop laughing.

Vrabel is far better than Hali even at his advanced age.

This guy's going to be disappointed when they either cut Hali or have him put on 25 pounds and play him at end.

Lets put Glenn Dorsey at MLB while we're at it.

The point was to compare it to Hali.

Why can't we just admit Tamba Hali is a shitty player that was part of the worst pass rush in NFL history and move on?

Why do we always have to have some affair with keeping some underachieving first round pick for 10 years?

Just remember this during the upcoming season. Hey, I may be dead wrong. But, I think it will be far closer to me than you.

Yea just like the guy who wanted to bet Hali would get 10 sacks this year too...if you put Hali out there at OLB you are going to get absolutely killed. He's slow and stiff he couldn't hang with a FB in coverage.

First, there is no way that Hali gets cut. He is exactly the kind of player that the new Chiefs regime will covet.

Second, there is no way the Chiefs will tell him to add weight and play end.

Based on what exactly?

A DE, who is often injured, who is too slow to play in coverage as an OLB, and has never had high sack totals?

You think he's going to be a stud in a scheme he's never played in before?

When we cut his ass, will you leave this board for good?

They covet guys who don't fit their scheme properly?

So you are calling them dumb?

Because, he isn't. It really is that simple.

There is no way he is a 'shitty' player. At the very least, he is a solid starter, if not a difference maker.

But, in the 3-4, I think he will be a stud.

If we don't cut his ass, will YOU leave?

He is not a 3-4 player I swear...

Even Chiefzilla agreed with me about this, you are literally the only person on earth who thinks he can play OLB.

No, they knew better than to draft Sanchez... so, definitely not dumb.

I think you are dumb for not thinking that Hali will fit the scheme. But, then again, you thought Sanchez was worth the #3 pick... so, I guess I should take your opinions with a grain of salt.

Yeah, I'm sure they'd never do that. I mean, it's not like he played DT at Penn State, or like he struggled with both pass rushing and against the run at DE in the pros. I mean, it's like he's a carbon copy of Shawne "roidman" Merriman.

I'm sorry you can spout any view you want but acting like Tamba Hali will excel in the 3-4 is like thinking Chad Pennington would be great in a downfield passing attack.

Seriously anyone that has watched Hali for more than 10 minutes should be able to quickly look at you and tell you there's no way he can play OLB.

Guess actually watching someone is to much to ask.

You are the douchebag with the completely laughable screen name and posts.

Hali is exactly the type of player the Patriots covet?

Based on what?

Tamba Hali wouldn't even be a 3rd DE or 3rd OLB on the Patriots rosters.

He was a reach in 2006 when everyone thought he was at best a 2nd round pick, and he has proven that EVERYONE was right.

He sucks, and you suck.

He's just a guy. He could be gotten rid of and nobody would care or miss his production, if you want to call it that.

Well other than this guy and possibly KCJohnny.

I know that Soren Petro agrees with me on this. So, that is at least two people here on earth that think that way.

Oh, and from what I have seen, the people who would be considered smart on planet earth, often aren't on Chiefs Planet.

I am sure Scott Pioli would have a negative rep from most of the douchebags in here.

Soren Petro also loved Carl Peterson...oh shit you did too.

Soren Petro - good point of reference.

I'm sure the people you have direct interactions with are some rocket scientists.

Scott Pioli has 3 championship rings to fall back on.

What do you have?

If the Chiefs could trade the guy, I would be fine with it. I am not saying he is going to be a hall of famer. I just think he will be a stud in this defense.

I think he will be a guy that will open people's eyes next year.

And, it will be fun to refresh this thread.

It's like this ****stick takes every counter-argument and tries to make it gospel.

Herm is leaving /everyone with a brain

It wouldn't surprise me if Herm stays/douchebag named SensibleChiefsfan.

I'd trade Tamba Hali for a sack of hammers, I view him like I view Larry Johnson a player that needs to go right now.

Oh don't worry.

Come December, I will refresh all of your threads to laugh.

I think he just thinks up some take no one will agree with and then runs with that...

Hell I can agree with posters I generally don't if they say something logical but this guy is the worst at this kind of thing.

This literally reminds me of the guy who wanted to bet that Hali would get 10 sacks this past year..

What is with the couple of people who love this guy? What does he do to make anyone excited? Does a guy injuring himself somehow excite people?

Soren Petro doesn't mndlessly bash things..... so I see why you aren't a fan.

I was all in favore of CP going, for the record. With that said, I am not ignorant enough to think that there was no talent in the front office, or on the coaching staff or on the field.

Luckily, Scott Pioli is smart enough to see that.

I want to know wtf Tamba Hali has ever done or displayed to make you think he could remotely play a LB position.

I am sure there will be some that will be laughable. There are guys much more brilliant than I am who have failed at NFL predictions.

His blazing speed around the corner, his great play against the run and his unparalleled skill when he drops into coverage.

I agree

ROFL

Sensible,

Is KCJohnny your dad?

This cracked me up because it's true the guy isn't good at anything.

Anybody got a link to that video of Tamba Hali learning ju-jitsu?

People like Sensible are still probably watching that and going, "oooohhh, Tamba is going to be a jedi! Crazy mind powers and lightning quick reflexes! He should be able to dominate in the NFL now!"

They get disappointed when it turns out that didn't help his game one bit, so they cling to the idea still.

"He's a great NFL story! Troubled life growing up in a war-torn area of Africa! Wants to make enough money to send his family over to the states! AWESOME LB IN A 3-4!!!111"

I hope he made enough money off of his 1st round contract to get his family over to the states. I really do. Now I wish he would just go play somewhere else. Like in Canada.

Oh, and WTF in the OP? Are we actually using a draft pick to "draft" Vrabel as a rookie? Does he need to participate in the combine now? :spock:

Well, #1, he makes plays all over the field. How many times did you see him come from behind to make a play 10 or 20 yards downfield because someone else blew an assignment? Tons of times.

#2) He is a very fluid athlete. He has good hips for coverage, and the Chiefs used him quite a bit in coverage especially his first year.

#3) He has a good vertical.

The key though, is that he is relentless and never quits.

Time will tell. It is easy to claim you are 'right' in February. Lets see what happens come December.

Anyone that has ever watched Tamba Hali and thought playmaker or thought fluid must have been on serious LSD at the time.

I'll bet Hali is the first NFL player to ever attempt to incorporate martial arts into his football technique! He's going to be so dominant!!!!11

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That is the point of the Vrabel comparison.

Vrabel wasn't a great physical numbers guy either.

Who loaned it to you so you could watch Sanchez?

I think Hali's 40 time is less of the matter. I think what is a major problem for him may be his mental clocking speed. Not sure if he can register what is happening on the field fast enough in his mind to make the play.

The result of the Vrabel comparison is that you made Tamba Hali look pretty bad.

So the key to an OLB is tackling guys 20 yards down field, and having a high vertical?

He's stiff as a ****ing board. Have you watched him try to cover a FB in the flat? It's ****ing laughable.

I know a lot of athletes that never quit. Problem is that they aren't talented or athletic enough to make a difference.

If Tamba Hali didn't have a high motor, he'd be selling insurance in State College.

I'd like to know what those 2 guys have to do with each other and hey when Mark Sanchez is good this will be a funny debate, but forget all of that now the draft is a semantic debate about what players you believe in.

This is a debate about a player that's been in the NFL for 3 years and frankly sucks.

This guy in another thread told me Cromartie was no better than Hali so lets get an idea of his starting point.

C'mon now. His fluid hips and vertical will lead him to do great things in a scheme he's never played in before.

I can't believe we're having this discussion about Eric Hicks, err Tamba Hali.

Sanchez hasn't even been drafted yet, and has far more upside and talent than you give him credit for.

Tamba Hali has already played in the NFL. For 3 seasons. Last season he demonstrated how pitiful he is when he doesn't have a 15-sack 4-3 DE on the other side of the line helping him out. He's PROVEN that the NFL is too big for him to find success in. Sanchez hasn't proven anything yet... might be an all-pro, he might be a bust. Whatever he is, he has far more upside in his future NFL career than Hali.

If Tamba Hali is fluid the guys who can really move must not even have a word...

I like Boomer Grigbsy a lot. He has a good motor and works hard. He'll be a good safety when we switch defensive schemes.

I want to apologize to my brain for participating in this stupid thread.......

Well then what was his 225 rep?

LMAO

Tamba Hali in the 3-4? That is not very sensible.

The only way he'd be a stud in the 3-4 is if they told him he was back in Africa and handed him a gun and told him he could shoot the opposing players.

As a rookie, he didn't have a 15 sack guy helping him out. You know, the year he led the Chiefs in sacks.

I am not saying he is Jared Allen. In fact, it is clear that he is not a premier DE in a 4-3.

But, I think he will be a good fit for the 3-4.

Hali could play outside in a 3-4, no doubt about it. Will he be great? Who knows. He's played standing up before...

But, but mecca says....

as usual someone said an opinion and mecca and TBG are first on scene to bash the idea. I have no idea if hali would be good or not, I know he's done good standing up before, and I know he's got the build to be an OLB in a 3-4. So of course that stands to reason that he may be able to do it. I don't care if he does or not, but it will be interesting to watch if the coaches try it.

why is that so hard to accept?

Because he runs like a slug.

Hali can't take on OT's 1-on-1. But he's played serviceably in the past at DE.

I have no reason to believe he can't be a backup/situational OLB in the 3-4. Every guy on this team can't be a Tier 1 starter. You need roleplayers. Sure, it would have been nice if we hadn't spent a 1st-round pick on a roleplayer, but them's the breaks. It happens.

And he can't cover TE's.

So what? He can still run downhill and get to the QB, especially if he doesn't have to take on blockers every down. And he does have a knack for stripping the ball.

There's a place on this team for Hali.

I don't know how you could ever put him on the field as a 3-4 OLB, he can't beat an OT 1-1 on him in coverage is painful to watch because he's not athletic or fast.

As a situational rusher in blitz packages.

It's not like the guy has no sacks for his career. He outperformed Jared Allen his rookie year. You can't act like he's done NOTHING - that's not true.

Here is some draft info on Hali if anyone wants to look at it. They reference him being capable of playing LB in a 3-4.http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...yers/4660.html

He was a disappointment last year on defense, but who wasn't? You go from 7.5 sacks in 2007 to 3 in 08 and its natural for people to think you've slipped. Not having Allen on the other side certainly allows offenses to load up the line against your only real pass rusher.

For those who say its time for him to go, get real. That is foolish talk, you don't just get rid of a guy just because of one year, especially not a first round draft pick when you already got rid of the defensive coordinator. Everyone on defense underachieved, you can't make excuses for Dorsey and not for Hali, who has proven more at this point than Dorsey.