A dash of Curry solidifies Chiefs defense.
 

Obviously, the Chiefs are going to the 3-4.

Lets look at the Defensive line first. The Chiefs have a couple of guys in Boone and McBride that are DE/DT hybrids. They will be able to play DE in the 3-4. McBride has focused on staying slim while in the NFL becuse he was playing end in the 4-3. He will be allowed to Bulk up. Boone is a heck of a fit in the 3-4 as well.

Dorsey often tied up two blockers last year. He will also be allowed to go inside and outside. Perhaps not the prototypical NT... but a guy who has flexibility and will be better at NT than some in here realize. In college, he was asked to merely hold the line of scrimage. He wasn't asked to get upfield. In the 3-4, it will be very similar whether he plays end or NT.

Tank will play the nose exclusively, which should be a good fit on run downs. We also still have Ron Edwards, who is a big body that can rotate in at NT.

Now, linebacker, the OLB's are Hali and Vrabel. Hali should get double digit sacks this year with the switch to the 3-4. He won't be on the line every down which should keep the wear and tear on his body down a bit. It will allow him to be in space, which he plays well in.

I know that some don't think he is fast enough. I think those guys are foolish, but then again, they think I am foolish for thinking he will be a great fit. The great thing is that we will get to see this year who is right.

DJ will move inside. This will help DJ's game. The defensive line for the 3-4 isn't trying to get upfield. They are merely trying to hold the line of scrimage. This will allow DJ to play sideline to sideline and make more plays.

Now, the secondary was pretty good last year. Bernard Pollard will be allowed to play inside the box more and Page will be more of a traditional safety. Morgan is the x factor here because he has more ranged than Pollard and is a better tackler than Page.

The Chiefs starting corners are pretty solid with Carr and Flowers. With the additional pass rush that the Chiefs should be getting, I expect that these guys will do just fine.

Now, comes the spice of the defense.... Curry. Curry is an absolute beast that will roam the middle of the field and make tackle after tackle. Curry is good in coverage, and will be able to rush the passer from the middle of the field on blitz's. This will allow him to be more effective rushing the passer. Inside blitzes are effective because of the speed of the blitzer and a lane created by the outside rush. Curry is fast enough, that he will be able to disquise the blitzes very well and won't have to be close to the line of scrimage to be effective. Curry is the best fit for this team at #3, and will make the biggest impact of any player the Chiefs can draft IMO.

I know I will get flamed for this. I know that some think that McBride, Hali and Dorsey are busts. I think that they are players in the Patriots mold. Guys who love the game, who are smart and who never give up.

I hope that Curry somehow falls to the Chiefs, because if he does, the Chiefs will have a defense that will be at least top half of the league next year, if not top 10.

He is a dynamic leader on defense, and I think the next Ray Lewis. As such, I think he is worth the #3 pick.

Now, flame away. After having the Chiefs effectively remove the option of drafting the dirty Sanchez.... nothing can bring me down....

Hey, just what we needed, another Curry thread combined with a Hali's going to be a stud 3-4 OLB thread.

I think it's reerun day on bizarro-world.

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It amazes me what some people think is original and interesting.

This guy can not be serious really.

I want Aaron Curry.

But there is no way he solidifies anything.

The Chiefs still need a NT, they still need another outside LB, and they still need another DE like Igor.

Serious? After he said the defense could be possible top 10 I thought he was trying for funniest post of the year. I mean this is a joke right?

It's almost as funny as him saying Hali will be awesome as a 3-4 OLB.

Or that Herm is staying.

Or the hundreds of completely short bus-esque posts he's made on here.

He will be awesome as a 3-4 LB. You know when he finally gets cut from here and gets picked up by some other team for their practice squad where he gets to play 3 or 4 plays per practice. Badoom Ching..........I know I know it wasn't that funny but after this original post in this thread every thing pales in comparison.

That tears it. Curry's going to be the biggest bust since Ryan Leaf.

I am curious to know what the Patriots graded Hali on draft day.

Probably didn't even have him on the board as a "he didn't fit our scheme" guy.

Lots of things wrong here. Type in "Dorsey 3-4" in google and see what you get. Dorsey is not a nose tackle. Most scouts have him pegged as a 1-gap defensive tackle. He's a guy that is at his best exploding into the backfield, not a guy who should be engaging a lot of blockers. Yes, he played a lot of 2-gap in college, but he also got away with bullrushing far weaker players into the backfield in college--he won't do that in the NFL. He is also known to have fairly weak knees which is a huge knock on a guy who would play a position where leverage is king.

Second point, Hali is not an OLB. Let's stop this illusion right now. A 3-4 DE/OLB must be a "tweener." He must have the athleticism to take his hands off the ground in drop into pass coverage on many of the downs. Hali does not have that. In fact, his 40 time was absolutely miserable in the combine. Hali is pegged as a rotational DE and that's that. Keep in mind that as an OLB in the 3-4, Hali would be just as responsible for moving around as a DE as he would moving around as a LB and he is just not athletic enough to do that. Hali is not a tweener. We learned quickly when he was forced to square off against athletic, sure-footed left tackles that Hali is not nearly as fast and explosive as we thought. He's not fast, and that's a huge knock on a guy who will be playing a position where he'll have to be agile and quick.

Tank might have potential as a nose, but he also is noted to have a low motor--that's not a good attribute for a player who is taking on one of the most physically demanding positions in the game.

Finally, Curry will be great no matter where he goes. But his talent would be wasted in a 3-4. The ILBs are not the strength of a 3-4. You typically have one guy in coverage and another guy who is a pure run-stuffer. A versatile, multi-dimensional ILB goes to waste. And he is way too small to be an OLB/DE--most of those guys are DEs who convert into OLBs.

Nice post, zilla. You just smacked some sense into this Chiefs fan with your updated draft chart. :)

You'll never convince him man, he's spending an entire thread saying Hali is a playmaker and is fluid.

They do need another OLB, because Vrabel is on his last legs. They will need a DE because Boone has only a couple of years left.

As far as NT, they don't have the prototypical guy on the roster, BUT, teams often have to play without prototypical guys at ever position. And, I think Tank and Dorsey will be fine there.

Dorsey is not a nose and Hali is not a OLB those are just facts.

Nope. No joke. Two years ago, the Chiefs were in the top half of the league with less talent.

I know they had Jared Allen, and he was a great player. And, no player on the Chiefs defense is that kind of stud.

But, I think the 3-4 fits the players pretty well and Curry, IMO is the next Ray Lewis. So, yeah, I think top 10 is possible.

But, I think top 15 is likely.

Boone has a couple of years left doing what? Being a mediocre rotational player?

If Dorsey lines up as the NT in a 3-4, it's going to look like a midget tossing contest.

A flat footed DE at OLB? Interesting, you may be onto something SensibleChiefsfan, keep up the good work.

Teams with no pass rushers always do awesome!

This team needs a nose and 2 OLB pass rushers 3 of the most important things for a 3-4 so where is this um personnel?

Herm's going to ride back into town on his white horse, assume the currently unfilled DC position, and fix this D once and for all.

Right, Sensible? Let Herm see this thing through?

That would end with Todd Haley killing him on the sideline, oh shit bring him back I'd pay to see that.

After how Haley bitch slapped Waters in the hallway, I would have paid to hear how Herm's "interview" with Pioli went.

So, it says here that you've won 2 games. Uh, huh. Yeah. Well, uh, it still says 2 games here. 85 percent, uhhhhhhh huhhhhh. Yeah. And when will this 85 percent actually, you know, win?

I love your 'facts'.

Do I think Dorsey was the prototypical NT last year? No.

However, he has not had an offseason to bulk up to play the NT in the 3-4. I also saw him occupy two blockers quite a bit last season, which is the job of the NT.

I think he will be far better than you give him credit for. That is IF the Chiefs want to leave him as a full time NT, which I am not sure is the best use of his talents.

I think he will swing inside and outside.

As far as Hali goes, lets see how your 'facts' about him stack up come december.

hali is going to be an excellent rush backer, teams are going to be overwhellemed by his power, speed, instincts, and moves.

Fact- Hali is so flat footed he sticks to the shower floor.

I really thought there were just things that were acknowledged as common knowledge, I think Sensible is the only person on this forum that would think Hali can play in the 3-4...

Herm has never been a DC, and I don't think he would make a very good one.

This forum. LOL. I am really worried about going against this forum. Oh no, how could I possibly go against the brilliant minds in here.

Find me one guy in a 3-4 that is remotely similar to Tamba Hali.

Similar how? How could I simplify it enough that you could comprehend it?

Do you want size? Do you want 40 yard dash times. What 'measurable' will help you to understand.

I understand where your knowlege comes from. It is measurables and how this player or that player compares to a similar player on paper. Fortunately for me, football is played on the field... not paper.

So, tell me... what measurable do you want me to work with?

I just remembered I can't ask you this question because you think Hali is a fluid athletic playmaker.

So I'd probably get some hilarious comparison like Terrell Suggs.

Um, you can't?

Bully.

I will say the good thing about where we are is that the offense should be very close provided we don't start trading away our best players.

BTW, FTR, Hali is a borderline bust irrespective of the system. He might be an OK situational guy when he has a real DE (ala a Jared Allen type) on the opposite side but he is never going to be a Jared Allen type. He reminds me more of Eric Hicks (without the 15 sack season).

What are you talkin about man Sensible told me that Cromartie was no better than Hali.

Let's start with slow and out of position.

And mix in a dash of lackluster athleticism.

Derrick Johnson does not take on blocks, so what makes you think moving inside will improve his game?

Well OLB's in a 3-4 have to beat OT's so he surely isn't gonna be good at that...

LOL. HOLY SHIT. WE'RE a TOP 10 D NOW??????

Wow. An advocate for drafting a 3-4 MLBer in the top 3 equals epic fail.

It's the natural progression from #31 and 10 ****ing sacks.

it is going to take years to fix this D. As ususal some people don't want to give up on guys they know and got attachment too. The fact is Tamba and Derrick johnson suck

Actuallly, it is ILB in a 3-4 which is different than an MLB.

ROFL

Derrick Johnson needs to go. And, he will in due time. He will be more effective in the 3-4 because the defensive line will not be trying to get upfield, and DJ will see less blockers. He will be able to use his talent to play sideline to sideline. But, please don't think I am a fan of DJ. I didn't want them to draft him and I don't think he is any better today than I did then.

I dissagree on Hali. I think Hali will be very good, and will be one of the foundational pieces of the Chiefs defense.

If you believe in Derrick Johnson at all, which I personally don't, Curry isn't really who you should be picking since they'd play the same 3-4 position.

Yea, maybe you should tell us if he's the Mike candidate or the TED. Then once, you figure that out, then you can maybe look it up, that is NOT ADVISED to spend top money on either position.

#1) I am not a DJ fan. Never have been. Understood 'why' the Chiefs took him, just never thought he would be a great player.

#2) DJ and Curry are NOT the same player. Curry is a solid tackler that sheds blocks and blows up plays. He is not a coverage linebacker that runs around blocks. He is also an emotional leader on the field.

#3) You need two ILB's. That is the meaning of 3-4, and BOTH have to be able to cover sideline to sideline.

Perhaps you don't understand the 3-4, but you can rush either OLB, and that shifts one ILB into a pseudo MLB role and one into a pseudo OLB role, depending on the formation and which OLB was rushed.

You need two guys that are good in coverage. You need two guys that can make plays all over the field.

That is why most ILB's are not as big as typical MLB's.

I'd rep this if I wasn't out of rep :)

If you put Curry and DJ up the middle of this 3-4 without a NT they are both going to die.

If the Chiefs take Curry, they're likely still going to need TWO OLB's, because he's an ILB in a 3-4. If they take him, so be it, but I really hope they don't expect him to play OLB in a 3-4.

Vrabel also can play inside so why not let Curry show if he can play outside first and if not then move him inside.

He can't play outside in a 3-4, 3-4 OLBs are like athletic DE's he's not a pass rusher.

Agree 100% on almost every account.

3-4 ILB's essentially need to be nickel backers. I think DJ and Curry are both suited, Curry perfectly so, to be 3-4 ILB's.

The problem is that we have the #3 overall pick. I've said it before, we picked the wrong year to go 2-14.

I still think if you wanted a ILB this bad you'd be better off moving and taking Maualuga who I personally feel is a much better fit for a 3-4.

I know you think so.

I'd love to watch Derrick Johnson try to handle a guard, it would be good for laughs.

Seriously, if the Ravens had the chance to take Ray Lewis at #3 and they had to take him at #3 or he would be gone, would they do it? I think so.

Would you take the defensive rookie of the year last year at #3? I would.

Lets look at another position... safety.

I would never want to consider a safety at #3 overall. But, if I am sitting there and I know Ed Reed will be Ed Reed, and I have the #3 pick... do I take him?

I think some players are bigger than the position they play.


I think Curry is one of those guys.

The Ravens drafted another player over Lewis themselves...just remember that.

How do you know he can't pass rush he was not asked to in College? He has the size and if he is as athletic as everyone says then he should be able to handle the job. When I watch NFL network analysis every pundit thinks the guy has the ability to be a good pass rusher so why are you more of an authority?

My point was Vrabel gives them the flexibility to find out what Curry can do. Currently I'm more interested in BJ although that could change as I learn more about him.

And here we go again when a guy finishes his 4 year college career with 9 sacks he's not a pass rusher.

Anyone who says without a doubt he can rush the passer is at best being dishonest.

You really don't get it.

Now, for the record, I think Tank and Ron Edwards will see time at the nose on run downs. I think that is the only way to keep Dorsey fresh.

But, with Boone on one side and McBride on the other, the Chiefs will be able to occupy the offensive line.

DJ won't see many guards.

Ray Lewis wasn't Ray Lewis coming out of college.

And I would absolutely take a premier safety at #3.

Your concept of how to build a defense is so completely different than mine, you are expecting guys to just do things they aren't suited to do, that'll be fun.

So the same crop of dog shit is going to be miraculously transformed in the 3-4? Are you kidding?

Are we going to have to deal with a new Curry thread every day now?

This shit is mind-numbing.

And, anyone who says he isn't a pass rusher is being equally dishonest. Especially from a fans perspective.

Clearly, he has not demonstrated his pass rush much in college. That is not to say he 'can't' do it.

I just think he is a MUCH better fit at ILB in the 3-4. And, when he rushes the passer from the ILB position, his speed will be his most important asset.

Lauranitis could play in a 3-4 too. He's not nearly the player Curry is, but for value, trading back and taking one of those guys makes alot more sense.

He thinks all the Chiefs players are really talented apparently...it's pretty funny.

If you put Ron Edwards at nose in a 3-4 he is going to get killed and your ILBs are going to get flat backed.

That would be a reason to take Curry. Plus, if he is that kind of player then he could handle playing ILB or OLB.

My goodness, we aren't one friggin inside LBer away. I've been saying it for months, but Raji is the pick.

I think he's way to finesse to be a 3-4 guy, JL to me is a cover 2 style player.

I honestly have to think about what would constitute a worse front 3 than Boone, Edwards, and McBride.

Tell me what 3-4 OLB played OLB in college....they're DE/LB tweeners that would have been ends in 4-3s.

Aaron Curry is not that.

These guys are not without talent.

Seriously, it takes putting these guys in the right positions to win.

The Chiefs had a glut of DT's last year. Boone, Edwards, Dorsey, and Tank are all viable starters on most teams. Turk McBride fits a 3-4 DE best or a 4-3 under tackle.

Boone and McBride are natural fits at DE in the 3-4.

And, Dorsey is a better option than guys who merely look at the measurables will ever understand.