Posted on the "other" Chiefs forum. So don't shoot the messenger!
 

"I have some Serious Chiefs News from a source at metro sports so take it for what its worth.

Friday- Romeo Crennel will be named this teams DC

Attention to FA questions the source told me we are in negotiations with Ray Lewis

Also, there are several trade offers on the table one is that Tampa Bay wants Thigpen and the offer on the table is a 3rd round pick and the other is a deal between us and Philly in which we would send them the package of Lj, Waters and Tony G for one of their two first round picks.

So again this isn't me just speculating this came from a source at Metro Sports."


http://www.chiefscoalition.com/Forum...showtopic=9587

LG, Waters and Tony G for a first round pick sounds like somebody did their research in Madden '09.

And Thigpen for a 3rd? I'd take that in an instant.

I think Crennel is a foregone conclusion. I don't know about Ray Lewis.

Sounds like a load to me.

But.....but....LJ, Waters and Tony should be worth three first rounders.

A worthless RB, a guard, and a HOF TE with 1-2 more years left would bring a 1st? Ok.

For what it's worth, I have a hard time believing that TG will be moved. The new regime is going to want their new boy, Cassel, to have legit targets.

Well i dunno how accurate all this is but, i would be pleased with the addition of Crennel. If you are planing to dump tyler a third round choice is about optimum value. As far as ray lewis goes i dont know that kc is a good fit for him but i couldn't be to pissed about suring up the ILB position, but 1 HOF TE, a PB gaurd, and a PB running back for a first rounder no thanks

I don't think a 1st is out of the question when you consider Tony could be worth a high 2nd to the right team. LJ honestly is worth a high 3 or low 2. It's hard to say with Waters, it depends on how much longer he wants to play.

I'd take all those trades, dunno about Ray Lewis though. Vrabel should bring plenty of leadership, but we have the cap space and I wouldn't mind seeing Lewis ripping some heads off for the next few years. If he could bring the Ravens attitude to our D, that would be a blast to watch and hopefully it would last longer than his stay here.

Agreed, and this from someone that doesn't value the TE position.

But I could live with a Waters and LJ to Philly for a 2nd.

What is Metro Sports? Do they have ties to Athan or Jack Harry?

First one seems likely. Second one not as much but a good chance. Then it got plain reeruned.

This.

how many times has there been a 3 player for 1 pick trade? I can't remember one.

and the thing about Crennel - why the delay in signing him? If we want him, and he wants to be here, why wasn't this done weeks ago?

You're overvaluing a player with maybe only 1 year left who plays an ancillary position.

Okay gang,

I wouldn't lend too much credibility to the post on that site.

The guy posting has a total of three posts.

Yup.

By the end, it was 'assclown' material.

Nothing to see here, folks...

Based on?

Tony has shown no signs of slowing down, to assume he has only 1 year left is silly. I'd give him 3-5. And do you realize what he would do for Donovan McNabb?

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA POST!

It's only my opinion. He has a lot of carries, but I believe he can still be a 1500 yard back for a couple years.

Schefter already said Ray Lewis is pretty close to signing with Baltimore IIRC so that leads me to believe the rest is bullshit too.

They all seem like possibilities except for the Philly deal.

Thigpen had one of his better games against Tampa, so I could see them giving up a third. However, they already gave Cleveland a 2nd and a 5th for K2. But, they don't have a QB. Who knows what they're thinking over there.

Nobody knows what's going on with Ray Lewis or our front office, so it wouldn't surprise me if something was going on there.

3-5? This is more unrealistic than saying LJ could bring a low 2nd.

TG has two more years left, max, at a productive level.

LJ couldn't bring a large bag o' dicks.

They're a local sports network. And I don't think so, on either count.

They actually do fairly good Chiefs coverage.

Crennel has been thinking about what he wants to do, and whether he wants to be on the sideline, or at home recuperating this season after surgery.

Yeah, they could cry on each others shoulders about how the team has treated them and they want out. Waters could tell everyone what a great guy Herm was while LJ adds to his collections of bad hats and women abused.

Well then, I mus be ****ed up today.

:D

Do you really believe that as hard as tony works, the way he is a major health freak, and the fact that his play hasn't dropped off but marginally over the last 10 years that he only has 1 good year left?

If we back up the game of he said telephone going on here and think through this with a bit of reason... I could see how Philly might be interested those players and how we would want a late 1st... but I'd guess it's more reasonable to suspect that the negotiations involve all 3 names, but the deal for a 1st wouldn't involve all 3 players.

JMO.

He could sit in the booth, ala Gunther.

Or,

on rare occaisions you get lucky and post a good football post. ;)

I believe he had surgery.

With hip surgery, I believe, I'm not sure that would be better.

I think they also mentioned him having some type of buyout in the works from his Cleveland contract.

hilarious

Tony can and will play for as long as he wants to play. 1 year of solid production is one of the stupidest comments i've ever heard. He just wrapped up one the best seasons of his career and now all of a sudden he has 1 season of production in him? Jesus people, WTF happened to common sense?

Stop comparing TG to every other player out there. Time after time again, he's proven he's not like the rest. He has shown no signs of slowing down.

As far as the 3 player trade goes; some one has been playing too much Madden. And whomever said that they won't trade TG because Cassel needs weapons is right.

Cassel is our franchise boy now. They're going to give him every possible tool they can for him to succeed. You really think an offensive minded coach is going to trade away his best weapon? I mean really?

Why would they have to buy out his Cleveland contract?

He was fired.

Yes on Crennel.

Yes on Thiggy for a 3rd rounder.

And Yes on trading those 3 for a 1st rounder. Even though it will never happen.

Agreed, i dont want to see tony go anywhere expecially considering how undervalued the TE position is. I'll let everyone else try to drown gonzo in their pessimisim, while i watch him be significantly productive for another four seasons

They don't have to buyout his contract.

But coaches have guaranteed money in their contracts. There is some financial wrangling that needs to take place between the Chiefs and Browns.

ROFL

Why?

Browns are on the books for X amount of dollars.

Chiefs hire him for Y amount, which is less than X, so the Browns would have to pay the differnce remaining between X and Y.

Not all that complicated.

I could see Tony getting moved for the right deal. I don't think Pioli or Haley either one come from a system very dependent on TE production.
Granted neither had a HOF TE at their disposal while having very good WR talent.

Lj, Waters and Tony G for one of their two first round picks is not a plausible deal.

For the Eagles or for the Chiefs?

For Philly. I can't see them giving up a first round pick for that.

let LJ stay.

You have to keep in mind Philly is in a very win-now mode IMO.

EXACTLY. LJ/Water's I believe will be gone.

Tony's is staying here. he IS the primary receiving weapon, goto guy.... Cassell has to depend on him, (until Cottam or other new TE can attempt to fill the shoes)... Bowe, Franklin, Darling, etc will get the ball when we can move it down field. Knowing Tony is the threat.

3 Pro Bowlers for a 1st round pick, screws us over, not them. We could probably get a 2nd round pick for Tony by himself.

They're still a cheap-ass organisation that does things their own way. I very much doubt they pull the trigger on a deal anything like this.

Think about if from their perspective. Your best players are getting old, would you rather take a player who might contribute next year and be good in a few, or 3 players at the top of their game? Tony alone is probably between 1/2 and 2/3 of the value of the trade. He would make that offense one of the top, especially if they could grab a tackle with their other 1st. Add in Waters and LJ and that team could be up there with the Pats as the top offense.

Tell Brian Dawkins about how the Eagles are in a win now mode.

If this true... :LOL:

the eagles haven't been successful for a decade by trading for old vets...in fact, they do just opposite and ship them out....

If anyone is traded, it sure as hell won't be TonyG or Waters.

Trading LJ does seem like a possibility, don't really know where he'd go....maybe Philly but I also don't think we'd get anything higher than a 3rd for him.

As far as Crennel, I dont know. I thought I heard he's taking a season off to rehab from the surgery he had recently. Does that mean he can't coach because of it? I dont really know.

Ray Lewis, pretty sure there would be more on this if it were true. The Chiefs may not open their mouth, but I'm sure that other league sources etc would jump all over this and 810 etc would be slobbering all over this. I havent heard anything.....but that doesn't mean negotiations aren't in process.

You'd be a ****in moron not to take the 3rd rd pick for Thigpen. Thats basically giving KC a free draft pick. We didn't spend shit on Thigpen, we got him off waivers IIRC.

good points

He only has 3 posts over there. No rep behind his words.

uhhh its not what you paid its what they are worth now. eg....Cassel a 2nd and Brady was a 7th. What would he fetch on the trade block?

everyone questioned how TG would fit into the vermeil/saunders system too. i think he's the type of guy that will fit into any system if they just bump TE up the progression chart. if the right deal is offered, i think he'll be moved, but i don't think they are looking to dump him for anything they can get.

Maybe they don't know who our GM is.

We do the ass-raping, not the other way around.

I mean, we raped the Pats for pete's sake. Who's the last team that can say that? Business wise, I mean.

I'm on that boat.

FYP

For some reason I can't start new topics, but Herm is on ESPN now for NFL Live

I think there is a good chance we get Romeo.
I dont see where in two hells the Ray Lewis thing came from. I doubt it's happening.
Thigpen thing maybe, but I doubt they are offering a 3rd.
The last one is just plain silly. Literally silly.

Is he flustrated??

If Tampa is offering a 3rd for Thigpen, I couldn't make that deal fast enough. If I was in the Chief's FO, I'd offer to pick up the moving cost.

really? A pretty solid back-up QB for a 3rd round pick?

I don't know that I'd do it.

FWIW the Cassell trade wouldn't pass the Madden test either...

Quinn Gray is a pretty solid backup QB and he was free.

Take the 3rd, stick Gray as your backup and draft Chase Patton as the next Matt Cassel.

All sound two good to be true :)

Lewis staying with Ravens or so it says on P.F.T.

The Bucs must really want him, but they don't have a 2nd rounder because they used that to get Kellen Winslow, jr. I'm hearing the Bucs have upped the offer for Thigpen.

Totally awesome.

Did they agree to take LJ off of our hands?

holy crap that would rule

What's even weirder is Carolina is supposedly in the sweepstakes, as well.

You got a pretty solid source there BRC?

Those guys have a lot of experience, they should be worth more than first rounders.

Three players for a first round pick is a madden trade. Cassel/Vrabel for a second...notsomuch. Cassel by himself was supposedly being shopped for a first and third originally, and other teams offered similar or greater value than KC. The Chiefs happened to bite first. This 3 player fantasy isn't anything like that.

Hey, I'd love it if it happened. But I'd say none of them alone has more value than a 4th, maybe an outside shot at a 3rd for Gonzalez. I just don't see how throwing the three of them together would give us some magical first round value.