Bracketology Thread
 

Updated: March 14, 2009
EAST (Boston)
Greensboro
(1) NORTH CAROLINA (27-3)
(16) RADFORD (18-11) / Big South
(8) Oklahoma St (22-11)
(9) SIENA (26-7)
Miami
(5) Illinois (24-8)
(12) TEMPLE (21-11) / A-10
(4) Syracuse (25-8)
(13) WESTERN KENTUCKY (23-8) / Sun Belt
Philadelphia
(6) Arizona St (24-8)
(11) Maryland (20-12)
(3) Villanova (26-7)
(14) AMERICAN (24-7) / Patriot
Kansas City
(7) BYU (24-7)
(10) Wisconsin (18-12)
(2) Kansas (25-7)
(15) CS NORTHRIDGE (15-13) / Big West
WEST (Arizona)
Philadelphia
(1) Connecticut (27-4)
(16) MORGAN ST (21-11) / MEAC
(8) Butler (25-5)
(9) Texas A&M (22-9)
Portland
(5) Xavier (25-7)
(12) Saint Mary's (24-6)
(4) Washington (24-8)
(13) NORTH DAKOTA ST (24-6) / Summit
Boise
(6) Clemson (23-8)
(11) UTAH ST (28-4)
(3) MISSOURI (26-6)
(14) EAST TENN ST (21-10) / Atl Sun
Kansas City
(7) Texas (22-11)
(10) Michigan (19-13)
(2) MEMPHIS (30-3)
(15) PORTLAND ST (20-9) / Big Sky



MIDWEST (Indianapolis)
Dayton
(1) Pittsburgh (27-4)
(16) Opening-round Game
(8) California (22-10)
(9) Ohio State (21-9)
Boise
(5) Florida St (24-8)
(12) NORTHERN IOWA (22-10) / MVC
(4) GONZAGA (25-5)
(13) CLEVELAND ST (22-10) / Horizon
Miami
(6) LSU (26-6)
(11) San Diego St (21-8)
(3) Wake Forest (24-6)
(14) BINGHAMTON (21-8) / Amer East
Minneapolis
(7) Marquette (24-9)
(10) Dayton (26-7)
(2) MICHIGAN ST (26-5)
(15) CORNELL (19-9) / Ivy
SOUTH (Memphis)
Dayton
(1) LOUISVILLE (27-5)
(16) MOREHEAD ST (17-15) / OVC
(8) UTAH (23-8)
(9) Boston College (22-11)
Portland
(5) Purdue (23-9)
(12) VCU (24-9) / CAA
(4) UCLA (25-8)
(13) BUFFALO (21-10) / MAC
Minneapolis
(6) West Virginia (23-11)
(11) Creighton (26-7)
(3) Oklahoma (27-5)
(14) STEPHEN F. AUSTIN (19-7) / Southland
Minneapolis
(7) Tennessee (20-11)
(10) Minnesota (21-10)
(2) Duke (26-6)
(15) ROBERT MORRIS (24-10) / Northeast




They still have Kansas a #2 even after getting whooped by Baylor and Tech. If KU gets a 2, I will shit myself and not change my drawers for weeks. No freaking way.

Do you know how you can get 7 teams to lose in the first round? Invite 7 Big 10 teams to the tournament. What a joke.

I don't see anyway possible that the Big East doesn't get three #1 seeds this year. That has got to be some sort of record.

I think conference tournaments are a known commodity by the committee. It seems that over the past few years the positions in the tourney are based on a season of work, not a meaningless tournament. Yeah, a Baylor can get in, but TX, OU, KU losing doesn't cause the Baylors of the world to get into the tourney (unless they win), or something equally stupid like a TX, OU, KU moving down to lower seeding because they lost to a team that had everything to win and nothing to lose in a one-and-done tourney.

As one of the biggest KU fans on this board I don't think we deserve better than a 3 seed and I wouldn't be offended by a 4 or 5.

When was this updated?

I'd jump for joy if Mizzou ended up as a 3 seed. I still think there's a good chance we'll be a 4 even if we win today.

No way we are getting a 5. I think a high 3 or a low 4 is in line. KU has a good resume, but when you lose to two teams that aren't even going to make the tournament in your last 4 games, you don't deserve a 2 seed. I don't care if we get a 2-4 seed as long as we are in Kansas City. I would actually prefer a 4 seed going to KC, and if we get to the Sweet 16 we get to play UNC. I would love that.

I know you're a Mizzou fan so English isn't your primary language, but I'm pretty sure it was updated on the 14th.

Thanks kay state fan, but I meant what time. You do know they have multiple updates the day before selection day, right?

We're defending champs. If we're lower than a 3 I'd be surprised.

I agree with BWillie that a 5 is low... just said I wouldn't be offended by it after losing to Baylor and TTU. I wouldn't think being defending champs should have anything to do with seedings for this year. It should be based soley on this years team.

It's TV. They want ratings. KU is a well known commodity. I think it will be a 3 seed and I've followed the selections for more years than I care to admit. There are always head-scratching picks/seeds/destinations that make no sense. We'll see.

If KU is a 4, they could potentially TAKE the #1 seed path from someone.

*3/12/09 - Kansas gets its ass stomped in its first game of the Big 12 Tournament by a mediocre team.
*3/14/09 - Big 12 Tournament is declared meaningless by Stewie.

rep.

"Yeah, the selection committee looks at the entire body of work over the course of a season. Some last-week-of-the-regular-season loss to a way-below .500 Texas Tech team? Meaningless, given the whole body of work. I mean, TT had nothing to lose. Its hardly fair to penalize a team for losing in that circumstance. UMass? Yeah, its a poor loss. But if the committee would look at the season as a whole, then they'd find that KU is a better team."

Get real.

ROFL

If KU gets a 2 seed in the KC pod, I can't imagine the amount of cocksucking your AD had to do in order to make it happen.

There are always tons of upsets in post season tournaments. Look it up. So, this tournament's result will mean Baylor will get in the tournament? ****ing BAYLOR! Big deal! If MU wins, they were in already. Who ****ing cares? I'm pretty sure the usual suspects from the Big XII will be in the dance.

I'm they do take these final games into account. But I think it's strange that this year there have been so many upsets in these conference tourneys, that teams probably aren't going to drop as far as they should. Normally you have upsets, but so many top 1/2 seeds aren't making it, you either have to leave things the way they are or jump one of these 3 or 4 seeded teams to the top, and that's not gonna happen.

This is a good point.

I'm still of the mindset that MU has a great shot at KC with a win today, but not having to go through OU and KU matters.

It will still be a great accomplishment for Mizzou, don't get me wrong, but the road hasn't been as difficult as it could have been.

I can't imagine how KU would get a 2 seed.

Yeah, but this year has been pretty extreme. How many top seeds aren't winning their tourney in these BCS conferences? Almost all of them. And right now Michigan State is going to lose, UNC's in a struggle, LSU's already lost today. It's been a bloodbath. Both KU and OU didn't even come close, when's the last time that happened? Same thing happened in the Pac-10. Even in the smaller conferences, Creighton got slaughtered, Butler lost, Davidson lost, BYU lost. In the Atlantic 10, Temple and Duquesne are playing for the title tonight and neither of them were even in the picture.

And down goes North Carolina. That leaves Louisville as the only presumed #1 seed who's still alive in their tourney.

This is how I see it...

Teams guaranteed AT LEAST a #1 or #2 seed

Pitt
UCONN
UNC
Louisville
Memphis
Duke
Michigan State


Oklahoma is boarder line. Yes, I know you Duke haters. Duke's gonna get it. Alot of big wins and a #2 RPI.

So that leaves the last #2 seed to KU, Wake Forest, OU, Washington, Villanova. I suppose it's POSSIBLE, but I doubt it. Wake, OU, KU, Washington, Villanova already lost pretty early in their conference tourneys..

If the Beakers get a 2 seed the fix is in....KU & MU both will end up with 3 seeds.

Thats because you're a K-State fan

Michigan State is going to lose too.

If Mizzou wins today, they deserve a 2 seed, IMO.

only a homer would think KU deserves a 2 seed after the Big 12 tourney loss.

My thoughts - feel free to chime in with yours.

1 seeds: UNC, UConn, Pitt, Louisville (if they win tonight)
2 seeds: Memphis, Duke, Mich State, OU/KU (winner will get 2 seed and KC pod)
3 seeds: OU/KU, Nova, Wake, Mizzou (if we win tonight)

Wake, Wash, Nova, and UCLA lost, so they'll end up with 3/4/5 seeds.

I think Syracuse could steal Villanova's 3 seed with a win tonight.

Don't think Purdue or Illinois move up into 3 seed territory even if they win Big 10 tourney.

Let me even rephrase that, Louisville is the only 1 seed to even make it to the FINAL of their tourney. That is probably unheard of. And the #2 and 3 lines aren't much better.

OU should have zero shot at a #2 seed.

Recent losses, not reg. season champ, not conf. tournament champ...

2 of their recent losses were without Griffin. Who knows how much weight the committee will give that aspect.

KU will be higher on the committee's board. The way things are playing out KU could be a two, but I still see them as a three. There are too many highly ranked teams who have lost in the post season. I think that scrambles the selection committee's board, but KU as defending champs will get a boost.

I said elsewhere I expect anywhere from 3 to 5.

KU finished the season with losses to Texas Tech and Baylor. You gotta reward a team that is playing that good at the end of the season.

I would have to think that those losses get brushed under the table, but the problem has been that the team's level of play hasn't increased greatly with Griffin's return.

They've just been lackluster of late, which is awful timing. I think they're a 3-4. And if it's a 4, I'd hate to be in that bracket.

I think Blake Griffin being gone is understood by the committee. They may well be a two

You may have noticed several top seeds going down all over the country too. Maybe they'll knock them all down to 3-4-5 seeds so MU can get that 1 seed they so richly deserve.

Usually teams that win move up while teams that lose move down. Pretty complicated.

I don't know what happens to a team that loses to Texas Tech and Baylor :deevee:

Probably not much, unless one overlooks the reg. season championship.

Oh, and there was a win vs. Texas mixed in there, to be fair.

Ah, an MU fan... probably a grad. It's "that well," but I digress.

Who's undefeated? Tell me! Does every good team need to go 35-0 or they're a failure? We're playing with one junior starter and the rest sophs/freshmen. Watching KU at the start of the season I was hoping we wouldn't be an embarrassment and maybe make the NIT. Yet, here we are.

And a blowout win over Missouri right before TT.

But I'm sure this tune will change if Missouri loses to Baylor tonight.

UNC lost today. Obviosuly they don't deserve the 1 seeds they win still get. Mich St. lost too... and UConn... those teams should all fall a few notches I guess. It's about a whole season more than just lately. Pretty complicated.

Don't forget about Pitt. They lost their first game of the Big East tournament. That definitely cancels out their win over Louisville and their two wins over UCONN.

I don't see how Oklahoma could get a #2 seed. If MU wins today, I think they have a chance of grabbing the KC spot. If not, KU would have a strong chance. I could see both teams being #3 seeds though.

But... but... we're all a bunch of assholes for saying anything that could be considered pro KU.

Eh, it depends. Florida St. isn't an awful team, so I doubt it matters too much. Being a number one seed doesn't mean never losing, especially in a tournament. Let's see what Duke does though...

And at OU when they were top 5... and blowing out MU when they were #8. Yea... anything we get over an 8 seed is a gift. It must be fixed.

So your saying that those teams losing won't factor into their seeding? A team like Michigan State had a chance at a #1 seed, they won't get it now. UCONN isn't a lock for a #1 seed anymore. NC is still a lock, but that is due to them being NC and already being considered well ahead of the pack. Ty Lawson also did not play today.

Also, how is it reconciled that a highly seeded team that loses its best player near the end of the season will be downgraded, yet a team with a great early season/non-con that is obviously not playing great at the end of season will be given a pass because of their body of work. Why make a predictive seeding due to a lost player but not due to a poor finish?

My post was sarcasm directed toward beer bacon

Yeah, the fish aren't biting on your bait today. Might try again tomorrow.

I pretty much agree with this. So, I hope MU loses. Who knows though what will happen.

But, I do think OU will probably be a 2 seed.

My opinion is OU will be a #2 due to their non-conference. KU and MU will be #3s. This is fantastic considering OU lost to both teams and then choked against Ok. State.

Gotcha. :D

The 2 seed is between OU and ku right now. I don't see them giving it to OU because they finished 2nd in the league, lost to ku at home, and have gone 4-6 their last 10 games.

I just don't think the committee could justify that.

Great early season? KU? Started pretty slow... then won the conference.

I've gone on record twice already too saying KU deserves anywhere from a 3 to a 5 seed.

The current head of the selection committee has a boner for rewarding a team's "body of work." This means the most important thing to him is the non-conference. OU had an excellent non-con and they will be rewarded for it.

Oh there's plenty of KU hate going on... it's fun to see.

Most of my rancor is directed at dumbass KU fans. It is hard for me to be angry today :)

I don't really understand how Duke is a lock for a 2 seed though either right now. IMO, here should be the only "locks" for one and two seeds

Some combination of 1's and 2's:

UNC
Pitt
UCONN
Louisville
Memphis
Michigan State

Then, I think there is a group that is pretty much lumped together for the other 2 spots. They include:

Oklahoma
Duke
Kansas
Missouri
Villanova
Wake Forest

It's a crap shoot really. I've read people putting MU and KU anywhere from #2 to #4. If MU loses today, I think they could easily drop to #4 territory. If they win, do they have the resume to take over OU and KU for the KC spot? I don't see why not. All three teams have similar resumes.

For whatever reason, everyone outside of the Big 12 seems to think OU is the best of the three. I don't see it, but I guess they'll get the benefit of the doubt.

right now here is how I see it going:

ONE SEEDS
Pittsburgh
North Carolina
Louisville
Duke

TWO SEEDS
UConn
Memphis
Oklahoma
Michigan State

THREE SEEDS
Villanova
Wake Forest
Missouri
Kansas


FOUR SEEDS
Syracuse
Gonzaga
Florida St
Purdue

WHAAAAAAT!!!! MIZZOU lost to KU by a large margin?!!! DON'T BRING FACTS INTO THIS ARGUMENT!!!!!

Beating Baylor in a meaningless game will make MU National Champs, RIGHT?!!! Woohoo! A TROPHY!

"We won a trophy?????"
"Well, sort of. You beat Baylor."
"Does it have a plastic basketball player on top?"
"Yep! Bestest EVER!!!!"
"Take that KU! See, we got one, too!!!"
"Got one what?"
"A trophy!"
"For doing what?"
"Beating BAYLOR!!!"
"OK, whatever you say."

That looks good to me. There really isn't a great candidate for that last #1 seed. It comes down to Pitt or UCONN, but neither have been great lately. It would be nice to see Syracuse bumped up to a #2 seed. I think they would deserve if it the seeds were completely predictive.

Actually, I would drop Duke to a #2 and put Memphis in as a #1.

I guess that just depends on if you value winning a conference championship, or a 4 game tournament more.

I've always said that the one thing we shouldn't let functional reeruns do is access the internet.

Also, if you want to reward a team for losing to two poor to mediocre teams at the end of the season.

What has Duke done to deserve a #1 seed? I don't think there is any way they beat out UCONN or Memphis for that #1.

Nice comeback, Potsy!

I don't "value" anything more. Everything factors in.

I think OU gets a higher seed than both MU & KU and OU hasn't won shit this year right?

I think they win the ACC Tournament moving them into a #1 seed.

Well, MU got dominated by Texas A&M in their last regular season game with a lot on the line. Also, they lost by 25 to KU in their third to last game. Those are pretty bad losses as well.

I guess if you lose to Baylor tonight, it won't be as bad as KU losing to them, because it's in the championship, right?

I wouldn't characterize it as a comeback. For that post to be a "comeback," I would have to be responding towards a comment directed at me. As far as I can tell, you were directing the original post to who ever else exists in your land of imagination.

OU will get a higher seed. If the college basketball season was broken into its three parts, here is how the selection committee would rank them. #1 being most important for seeding:

1. Non-conference (body-of-work)
2. Conference play
3. Conference tournament

Well, you said their resumes were similar. If they are similar, and one finished first in conference and one finished third, and the third place team wins the conference tournament, then you say MU is more deserving, isn't that valuing the tournament more then the regular season championship?

MU didn't get dominated by A&M. MU shot over 50% and still lost by 10 since A&M was lights out and shot over 60%.

MU got destroyed the first half and came back to make the score closer than the game was. They were never in the game though.

And, by the way, as much as you are beating your chest about KU losing to Texas Tech, the exact same thing could be said about that game. TT shot absolutely lights out that game, and KU still had a chance to win it at the end.

Well to be fair, I'm not sure anyone would call a 10 point loss getting "dominated."

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall any committee members saying they factored in point differential. So thump your chest all you want, but a loss is a loss in their eyes.