Falcons after Gonzalez
 

Sorry if re-post, didn't see it anywhere.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...rt=NFL&id=1331

The Falcons are reportedly interested in trading for Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez.
The National Football Post's Michael Lombardi says the Falcons are "seriously considering" the option, with their second-round pick as bait. Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt is attached to his franchise icon, but he might be convinced to part ways as the team rebuilds.

Atlanta has the 55th pick in the second. Maybe Jarron Gilbert or Paul Kruger although I'd rather see Tony stick it out here.

Good God Just say no... Clark have some integrity here. Gonzo needs to go out as Chief.

If we trade Tony is that hint that we might be seriously considering Crabtree? Without Gonzo we're lacking weapons.


PhilFree:arrow:

For a second round pick I would do it, but nothing less than that.

2nd-round pick?

Done.

And done.

Trading Gonzo would be well received within the AFCW.

I think the days of this mentality are over.

Thank God.

Tony G = HOF
History of 2nd rd Chiefs picks = can create a new town called Bustville.

I don't know why people seem to think that Clark Hunt is going to interfere with football operations.

You have to know that part of the deal in getting Pioli to sign on had to be full control over those football operations.

How many of those 2nd round picks were Pioli's?

I thought Gonzo wanted a ring? He ain't gonna get it going to Atl so he might as well stay put.

If Pioli is signing guys like Zach Thomas and trading for guys like Mike Vrabel, what makes you think he's interested in trading Tony Gonzalez?

It's going to have to be a WOW offer for them to trade Tony Gonzalez...

#55 overall isn't a WOW offer. Sorry drafturbators, it's clear Pioli is trying to build a contender with veteran presence...the Herm Edwards 25 and under only approach isn't the Pioli way. Gonzalez has a reasonable contract and is showing no signs of slowing down...he's not going to be traded IMO.

I agree and Tony G has been trying and crying for a trade, we might as well get something for him.

this. A 2nd round pick #55 in ATL. I wouldn't be surprised if Gonzo says no thanks I quit

He drafted Blackledge. Admittedly, he was smarter than Peterson since he only used a second-rounder, but still....

http://i41.tinypic.com/2gwgp4j.jpg

TG would have an overwhelmingly better chance at winning a SB in ATL in the next 2 years over staying in KC.

To argue otherwise is flat-out ridiculous.

I would do it for their second only if Tony wants it this way. Out of the division and conference as well. Nothing less than a second.

A contender?

Are you kidding?

Do you actually think that guys like Vrabel, Thomas and yes, Gonzalez are going to be around when this team is truly competitive?

Vrabel and Thomas might have this year left, and Gonzo has said he might play this year and next.

I agree that his chances are better in Atlanta but I still don't see them coming anywhere close to winning a Superbowl in the next two years.

He wouldn't want to play for ATL, but he would want to play for KC? What?

No one can guarantee him a SB ring.

But to say that ATL won't come close is once again foolish, considering they were closer LAST year than 20 other teams.

You have to MAKE the playoffs to win the SB, last I checked.

For a second rounder? Get it done yesterday.

No shit.

Franchise QB getting me the ball.

2 damn good WR's to keep me from being doubled.

A solid OL that gives the QB time.

A great running game to open up the pass.

An offensive coordinator that doesn't shit the bed in goal-to-go situations.

Yeah, it makes all the sense in the world to pass on ATL and stay in KC.

A 2nd? If that's the case, see ya Tony.

Yeah, go to the Falcons, Tony. THAT'LL win you a Super Bowl :shake:

And staying in KC will get him what?

About 10 more wins over the next 2 years?

Atlanta at least gives him an opportunity, surrounded by a phenomenal cast.

I didn't say he had an opportunity in KC. I'm just saying the opportunity isn't there in Atlanta. That team is still 2 or 3 years away.

The Chiefs second-rounders are irrelevant. Let's look at how the Pats have done recently:

2000 - RB - J.R. Redmond - Off team
2001 - OT - Matt Light - Pro-Bowler
2002 - WR - Deion Branch - Traded for first round pick in 2006
2003a - DB - Eugene Wilson - Off team
2003b - WR - Bethel Johnson - Off team
2004 - DE - Marquise Hill - Off team
2005 - (no pick)
2006 - WR - Chad Jackson - Off team
2007 - (no pick)
2008 - CB - Terrence Wheatley - Started 6 of 8 games before injury

You mean a veteran presence like Donnie Edwards?

I noticed the only O-lineman they selected in the second is a pro bowler. You have to think if we trade back into the second that's going to be the pick since o-line is the strength of this draft.

That team is loaded with young talent, as well as a nice mix of verteran leaders.

Thay've had years to build that team, and getting Matt Ryan last year to replace vick just gets them closer.

That team is far closer than you imagine.

I think they could legitimately contend this year.

Sorry drafturbator...not happening unless we get a 2nd AND something. Going to have to be a WOW offer...

what makes you think we can't win 10 games next year? All we need is a pass rush...the offense will be there.

Chance that TG is playing when this team makes a run at SB=0
Chance that 2nd rd pic is playing when this team is ready=more than TG.

Quite frankly, Tony Gonzales is a whiney ass bitch who doesn't fit the Patriot mold, so if that offer is on the table, I have no doubt that Pioli will jump on it.

If that is the case, pack his bags and get him the **** out of town.

I could give two shits about him retiring as a Chief, as long as the team wins a Super Bowl sometime this century. A potential 2nd rounder will contribute more toward that goal than an aging tight end, who only has 1-2 years left, that bitches every other day about being traded.

The era of player loyalty is over. The insignia on the helmet should come before the player, if you want to win a Super Bowl.

Dear God.

No one is going to give up more than that for a 33 year old who plays a periphery position and has stated on numerous occasions that he's only going to play another 1-2 years.

The fact that someone is willing to part with a 2nd is shocking in itself.

Even with the signing and acquisition of solid vet players like Vrabel, Engram and Thomas, and Cassel, there's still a lot of holes on this team.

Is it possible that the Chiefs could win 10 games?
Sure, though I think 6 wins is more like it.

Are they going to legitimately contend for a SB?

Hell no.

Agreed. In basketball terms " The name on the front of the jersey > the name on the back"

According to Mike Lombardi - the source of the ATL/Gonzalez rumor - the Chiefs won't have to go trade into the second to go OL:

If one of the two offensive tackles (Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe) slips to Seattle at No. 4, the Seahawks would make the move and select either one, as Walter Jones is not a sure thing to be healthy at the start of the season. Seattle values character and will remove many players from its board for that reason. Smith and Monroe meet their character qualifications. But I doubt either player makes it to Seattle at four.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...unday-edition/

FYP

As much as I like Tony if the Falcons offer up their 2nd rounder,you have to take that offer.

This is why a wannabe like you isn't a GM.

Pioli has NO reason to trade Gonzalez. Matt Cassel is his price acquisition...Tony Gonzalez has shown he's a GREAT option for a QB...he has only gotten better with age. Scott Pioli has shown he wants veterans on the team...Tony Gonzalez is probably the best player on our roster...Tony Gonzalez makes his QB better...we need Matt Cassel to be a franchise QB.

Like I said...the only way Pioli trades TG is for a WOW offer...fortunately, the Chiefs have all of the leverage against the Falcons. If they want Gonzalez, they can give us a 2nd and 5th.

If not, I'm sure Pioli will be ok with a guy who plays the way Tony does on Sunday's...

Still extremely productive. If there was a serious decline in ability thats one thing. Why "thank God" for disloyalty to a productive hard working part of the organization.:shake:

Holy Jesus.

You wonder why people think you're a reerun.

So now a 2nd and a 5th is that WOW offer?

A SECOND AND A FIFTH.

Yeah, I'm really wowed by the addition of that 5th round pick.

Also, winning 10 games should not be the goal of this team. The goal of this team is to win a Super Bowl. Anything else and you are a loser. Only one team comes out as a winner for the year. I want the Chiefs to be that winner. I'm tired of the Chiefs being grouped together with the 31 other losers.

If Atlanta is willing to give up their 2nd round pick, then so be it. See you later, California pretty boy, you never liked KC to begin with. GTFO

This has to be a bullshit post to try to stir the pot.

I'm not biting.

No, he does this every year.

IIRC, either last year or the year before, he thought we'd win 11.

Disloyalty?

I hate the mindset that we "owe" players like Gonzo anything. He's been well paid by the organization and cheered by the fans. That's enough.

No one owes him shit, yet when he opens his pie hole, people start fumbling all over themselves to praise and comfort him.

As I've said numerous times, I don't give a **** about any single player on this team. It's about the organization as a whole for me.

This is a business. The Chiefs want to win a Super Bowl. We want them to win a Super Bowl. However, the NFL does not give out trophies or rings for being sentimental.

Im sorry but with our schedule there is now way we win 10 games this year. Maybe we could go 7-9 this season,and thats a BIG maybe... more likely 5-11

Relax guy.

I'm only saying I don't think Pioli pulls the trigger for just a 2nd round pick.

Maybe a 2nd and a player...I don't know. I don't see why Pioli NEEDS to make a deal...giving the Chiefs all of the leverage.

What's the worst thing that can happen? We have to suffer another two years of 100 receptions and 1,000+ receiving yards? Oh no!

"BUT HE WON'T BE ON THE TEAM WHEN WE'RE COMPETING FOR A SUPER BOWL!!!!"

Boo-****ing-hoo for him! He'll be an integral part in the development of our QB...and I'm ok with that. I know that it doesn't give you something to jerk off to during the draft...but chances are we'd land a decent starter at best in the 2nd round...so who gives a shit?

What's the success rate of a player making a pro bowl at the bottom of the 2nd round? 10%?

I'll take one, two or three years of high quality play from a great receiving tight end who will help our QB succeed over a late 2nd round pick that probably won't be anything better than Kawika Mitchell.

This.

THESE.

Yeah, and he runs around here proud of it.

:LOL:
Mr. Rain Man is a Football Encyclopedia.

Oh well **** me.

God forbid I have high hopes for a team I cheer for! Damn me straight to hell!

Don't mind me, drafturbating know-it-alls, I don't want to get in the middle of your 'my god this team is full of holes' circle jerk...by all means, keep going with your awesome theories on how to trade all of our great players for draft picks every year...maybe we can trade Cassel for a 2011 1st round pick...and then Bowe!

Yeah! Lets just ****ing trade everything valuable on our roster every year so we can have as many draft picks as possible! WINNING THE DRAFT > WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES!

I was thinking about this and that other thread claiming the Pats had the worst drafting record, and there are two factors not adequately taken into account:

It's a team loaded with talent. Many more difficult decisions than the Chiefs have been faced with. Also, they're typically picking at the end of every round. Over the long run, they would need to have ridiculously superior drafting to meet the average first rounder/any rounder(but especially the first).

At least I don't run around here like a know-it-all GM...

Are you typing with one hand and jerking Mecca off with the other?

So which is it?

Nothing less than a WOW offer, or a 2nd and a 5th?

If they are offering a second rounder I would take that deal instantly.

Branch - Super Bowl MVP
Light - 2 time Pro Bowler, 1 time All Pro
Wilson - excellent safety until injuries caught up with him. Now with Texans
Hill - Not on team BECAUSE HE DIED
Jackson - Major disappointment in NE, but still in league
Johnson - Good at returns. Too stubborn to adapt to NFL. Legit bust
Wheatley - Had taken over starter's job before getting hurt
Redmond - Drafted in the 3rd round, not 2nd

Well fortunately Pioli has all of the leverage, so we'll see...

Nope.

If you stayed sober long enough to read, you'd know that there are few people that have head-butted with Mecca more than me on this forum.

I'm shocked you're posting this early, I figured you'd be busy kicking the girl you date-raped last night out of your place.

I think he mean't a second, a fifth, and a ShamWow.

Knowing Hootie it was a 2nd, and a fifth of whiskey.

I'd hate to see him go, but I'm sick of his whining. I'm fine with it either way.

How about Gonzo and LJ for their 1st instead? Turner will need a breather once in a while. Tell you what, I'd throw in our second 7th rounder just good measure.

Maybe he thinks someone will trade up for him, needing the last top OT and expecting Seattle to take him.

I don't know why anyone would want Johnson, presumably if they trade for him then they get his contract, and thus his (way too high) salary will be guaranteed.

What TEs are left on the market for us to acquire when Tony gets shipped though? I know some people think the TE is about two spots higher on the roster than the punter - but they're important. Having TGon means you have an extension of the OL and a legitimate receiving THREAT....88 has shown zero signs of slowing down. He may only play a couple years, but I do not see his production slipping.

Not to mention, if it's your intention to give Cassel some weapons, why trade the best TE to ever play the game???

Falcons don't have any need for LJ.

Turner and Norwood are an outstanding 1-2 punch.

a 2nd and Jerious Norwood will do the trick.

Isn't Coffman projected as a 2nd round pick?

and the only way you trade Gonzalez is if you think Cottam has a shot to be an outstanding TE if given playing time.

I think Cottam can be pretty damn good if he is able to stay healthy (big question mark).

LMAO

I really don't think they would give up Norwood