So does anyone have a list of Pioli's Round 2 draft picks?
 

Just curious to see how he's done in the second round previously.

go to allthingsbillbelichick.com and check out the "draft" tab or whatever it is on the left. You'll get every draft BB was ever involved in. Not sure how relevant any pre-Patriots draft would be.

In general, it's been hit and miss in the 2nd round. Deion Branch and Eugene Wilson were very good picks. Bethel Johnson and Chad Jackson not so much.

Cassel and Vrabel for the Chiefs is the only 2nd rounder he is responsible for. I don't get how he was responsible for anything in NE. He wasn't the GM and BB called the shots for the most part.

According to a few books they call him the New England Patriot's GM

Thank you. Do you think we'll see any patterns carry over from his days with the Pats? Also, if you had to guess, how much input is he going to allow Haley?

Final say? The buck stopped with him? ect.

They will work together and most likely agree on most picks with Pioli having final say. From what I've heard, In NE it was basically the same thing with BB having final say. Higher rounds will lean more with Pioli and later rounds will be more about giving in to Haley, but they will both pretty much agree on all evaluations just have different choices on who the pick should be.

Look for the traditional notion of "value" to change a bit. It'll likely be more team specific, and it will incorporate need as a factor.

Expect Haley to have a lot of input in future seasons. My guess is that his input may be less this year depending upon how much he got to look at the prospects given the late nature of his arrival.

The Patriots pattern seems to be to use the second round as much more of a gambling round than round 1. It won't surprise me to see the Chiefs (and Broncos) to take a similar approach.

Nope BB had that, but he wasn't labeled as the GM either IIRC. Pioli was Director of Player Personnel, but worked with BB as a GM would BB just had final say.

perfect. thank you.

I feel the same way when someone mentions "Haley's offense." Was it really his after only two seasons? The weapons dictated what his offense was going to be. Most of those were already there.

Hmmm...Terrence Wheatley, Chad Jackson, Marquise Hill, Eugene Wilson, Bethel Johnson & Deion Branch. Not sure what to make of that.

Anyone have a list of Pioli's 7th round picks? Id really like to see how hes fared.

Not that I've ever read. Belichick is the GM of that team. Pioli was the talent finder.
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I know that David Givens was a great find at 7 in 2002.
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I'm not sure what Pioli's history in NE has to do with what he may or may not do here.

We're talking about two situations that are polar opposites.

In New England, he never really had glaring needs to address, and could take some chances he may not have normally taken. Plus, these 2nd round picks he had were very late 2nds.

In KC, he has a roster full of holes, and early picks in each round.

Eh, look at any team's draft history and they will have some hits and misses just like the Pats had.

And for the Chiefs during 2002 -2008:

Eddie Freeman, Kawika Mitchell, Junior Siavii, Kris Wilson, Bernard Pollard, Turk McBride & Brandon Flowers.

We all have tendencies. Just curious. And yes, it's pretty obvious the two franchises are VERY different.

meh, 50/50.

A couple good, a couple not so much. The Marquise Hill thing throws a wrench in it because we'll never know about him. Not their fault.

I don't completely buy this idea that the Patriots never had holes to fill. That roster was a mess in 2000. Full of overpaid deadweight, way over the cap, and after 3 disastrous drafts by Bobby Grier. After the 5-11 season they signed something like 17 mid level FA's just to increase the talent level and provide depth. They never dreamed they would win a SB with it in 2001. Then they did a remarkable job totally revamping the roster by 2003 and a much more talented and younger team won the SBs in 2003 and 2004. But in 2000 they were a bad team.
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I don't think anybody said they NEVER had holes to fill.

Look it up at www.yourenotfunny.com

I don't think his title was ever formally "General Manager". It was like "Vice President of Player Personnel" or somesuch.

They've both talked about it ad nauseum. Shared veto power. Usually they agreed on a guy, but if EITHER one didnt' like a guy for whatever reason, they wouldn't get him. But absolute, final say over all football operations is Belichick's.

No. Belichick is in complete charge of all football operations.

Picture two colleagues who are on the same page 98% of the time working to build a team together. Technically, one reports to the other, but they're in agreement so much that it hardly matters. During the 5% of disagreement, if it's over GETTING a new player (draft/FA), then EITHER can veto the acquisition.

That's about what it was.

Deion Branch was an excellent selection. Eugene Wilson was very good for 3-4 years, then fell off a cliff. Whatley looks like he'll work out.

Johnson and Jackson were busts, and Hill was heading that way before he died in an unfortuante accident.

Eh. I think it would be oversimplifying things to call Pioli the "talent finder". BB is VERY involved in that too.

Givens and Cassell was 7th round home runs. I think LeKevin Smith -- our backup DL -- was a 7th too and he's been very solid in that role. Not a starter, but if you can find a guy that sticks and does a serviceable job for 3-4 years with a 7th round pick, you've done very well.

I think we had a ST stud for a couple years out of the 7th too. Cant' remember his name.

Not true. in 2000 or 2001, the Pats were called one of the least talented teams in the NFL by some sportswriter. I still can't believe we won a SB with that '01 roster. :eek:

Willie Andrews, before his legal problems got him booted from the team.

That's Grey Cup Champion and defensive standout Eddie Freeman to y'all.

And 2 of the last 3 2nd rounders are decent; Flowers is going to be a stud, and Bernard Pollard brought about a cataclysmic paradigm shift not seen since relativity.

Bernard Pollard has served his purpose. Forget Obama. He's brought about real "change".

Here's the whole list BTW:

<table nowrap="" class="chart" bordercolorlight="#98A7B8" bordercolordark="#506074" width="100%" bgcolor="#ffffff" border="3" bordercolor="#506074" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#eef0f3">2</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eef0f3">62</td> <td align="left" bgcolor="#eef0f3" nowrap="nowrap">Terrence Wheatley</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eef0f3">CB</td> <td bgcolor="#eef0f3" nowrap="nowrap">Colorado</td></tr></tbody></table><table nowrap="" class="chart" bordercolorlight="#98A7B8" bordercolordark="#506074" width="100%" bgcolor="#ffffff" border="3" bordercolor="#506074" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td align="center">2</td> <td colspan="5" align="center">To Miami as part of trade for WR Wes Welker</td> </tr> </tbody></table><table class="chart" bordercolorlight="#98A7B8" bordercolordark="#506074" width="100%" bgcolor="#ffffff" border="3" bordercolor="#506074" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td align="center">2</td> <td align="center">36</td> <td align="left" nowrap="nowrap">Chad Jackson</td> <td align="center">WR</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">Florida</td> <td>From Green Bay for a 2nd (52) and a 3rd (75)</td></tr></tbody></table>April 23: The Patriots traded a second-round choice in the 2005 draft (64th overall – T Adam Terry) to the Baltimore Ravens in exchange for a third-round selection in 2005 (84th overall – CB Ellis Hobbs), a sixth-round choice in 2005 (195th overall – traded to Green Bay) and Baltimore's third-round pick in the 2006 draft (75th overall – Traded to Green Bay).
<table nowrap="" class="chart" bordercolorlight="#98A7B8" bordercolordark="#506074" width="100%" bgcolor="#ffffff" border="3" bordercolor="#506074" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#eef0f3">2</td> <td colspan="5" align="center" bgcolor="#eef0f3">To Cincinnati in exchange for RB Corey Dillon</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">2</td> <td align="center">63</td> <td align="left" nowrap="nowrap">Marquise Hill</td> <td align="center">DE</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">LSU</td> <td> </td></tr></tbody></table>
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Bernard Pollard is going to be the most improved defensive player for the Chiefs next year. Watch when he comes around the corner and demolishes the QB's a la Adrian Wilson Style. QB's will be afraid he'll go all Bernard Pollard on their asses just like he did against Tom Brady.