Matthew Stafford on Fallon
 

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He seems pretty comfortable in his own skin.

:(, really makes me wish we could have the shot to draft him.

Yup,that would be awesome

Matt Stafford has now already done more mainstream talk show interviews than every Chiefs QB since Joe Montana combined.

If he was there at 3 I believe Pioli would pick him. Based on his q&a today at kc.com.

Q: Would you accept someone’s offer for that third pick?

PIOLI: “Tell me who’s on the board?"

Don't tell Scott Wright that...he got asked that yesterday in his chat and said "0%"

Yeah and his agent has him schooled in pimping the lions every chance he gets. He loves the thought of throwing to Calvin Johnson blah blah blah...........$$$$$$$$$ on the brain. After Ryan last year I just get the feeling he's going to bust out.

Atleast he's not going Manning and saying "I refuse to play there"

And I meant he's going to be a bust.

What about him makes you think he's a bust...I just don't really see what these supposed giant red flags he has are.

The only thing I agree with wright is it would be a huge mistake for det to not take stafford.
I just think that Pioli does think someone is worth that #3 pick by his statement.And that would be stafford although he won't say it playing it closer to the vest than mcdaniels.
I know he likes cassel but qb is a priority with him which is why he wasted no time getting matt.
Both stafford and sanchez are young so sitting a year isn;t out of the question. And unlike cleveland with anderson and quinn Pioli won't pee all over his leg and use who is ever left over from cassel/stafford or sanchez as a bargaining chip to get whats needed to go over the top.

I don't either. IMO he is a better prospect than Ryan was.

Oh how I yearn for the days of fall, whenever the majority of the planet was totally averse to the thought of drafting a QB. Then as winter rolled around, Sanchez became the target du jour. If Cassel craps the bed, it will be interesting to see which quarterback next year isn't good enough.

Why?

Please be specific.

The topic will then be "Cassel needs more time we're developing a QB" you know nevermind that he's 27.

First off he seems to be self promotional in media terms. Secondly, he had some talent surrounding him and exactly what did he really do with that TEAM as far as collegiate accomplishments? And lastly I was disappointed he couldn't show off his #1 overall talents at the combine, he and his agent had to set the stage.

Well next years class of QB's is pretty bad in terms of pro style. That why this would have been the year to get one,I don't think some people around here get that yet.

What ****ing naivety.

What did he have to prove? He did everything but throw and teams have 3 years of tape on him. Not too mention he had a hell of a pro day and a great individual workout for Detroit.

What?! We can take a chance on Cassel and if he flops we can then draft Tim Tebow or Colt McCoy!

So you think he's the next Peyton Manning? I don't.

No Thank You

Young, leinhart,,,etc winning a NC doesn't mean you will be a good pro it just means you are a great college player.
Alot of good qb's have come from college teams who were 8-3,7-4 type teams.

Agree 100%. Unless bradford makes some incredible transformation there is no one coming next year I like as much as stafford OR sanchez.

True but they didn't have teammates being drafted like Staffords supporting cast.

Um Matt Leinart didn't have teammates being drafted really?

Yes, because everyone knows that Reggie Bush, LenDale White, Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith, Limas Sweed, Jamaal Charles, et al aren't considered "talent."

Basically Matt Leinarts entire offensive line is in the NFL.

You just made my point.

There are less NFL players on Staffords offense than there are on either one of those other teams...

Yep Leinart was worthy of a # 1 overall. Not.

You're point being, "I'm a ****ing reerun"?

Why are we talking about Leinart again?

This could also be a coaching problem. Typically if a TEAM underperformed I wouldn't go right out and put all the blame on the QB's shoulders and say he isn't a top prospect because his team didn't do anything.

Leinhart's usc team was filled with high draft picks.
Young's texas team had some college talent.
Some people were picking georgia #1 pre season but that proved wrong they were good but not #1 good.I am no expert but I don't see any georgia or usc recievers or tight ends going 1st round.
Stafford did have moreno who can be a great one someday but after that no 1st rounders.
After sanchez alot of usc def players will get picked before the 2nd off player gets picked.

What is this bases of your argument? You're like moving the goal posts here.

You're comparing Massaquoi and Moreno to the 2004 USC team?

GTFO.

Massaquoi wouldn't have even played on that team and Knowshon would have at best been a platoon player.

My point is after the payday at #1 overall for for the
freaking Detroit Lions and a few bone shattering sacks as a rookie, Stafford has a very high probability of being a bust. I'm thinking Todd Blackledge.. I know Blackledge wasn't #1 overall but I'm just sayin.

I am not being sarcastic I am just hard pressed to think of 1 in the past few years.
What qb has won a NC and gone on to be a great nfl qb in the last few years?
Its almost like the kiss of death to win it.

That's not a point. That's you just saying shit that you think is going to happen based on nothing that's actually grounded in truth or reality.

I think Sanchez has way more upside than Stafford and he is going to be more willing to prove it. But the tangibles might get Stafford drafted #1. Sad but true.

That's the thing that just cheeses my ass; show me Tim Tebow or Sam Bradford being worth a flying **** in this league because they can "out spread" the other spread team on a goddamned college field.

Guess what? You can't.

I was lambasting this damned fool at another site who, god only knows why, has his own web cast happy fun time hour. I explained to him that the search for a QB prospect for the NFL is about skill set, technique, leadership, and intelligence among other things, and that his record of BCS appearances is just icing on the cake.
I also explained to him that a franchise not run by ass clowns is going groom him properly by bringing him along at a pace that doesn't involve throwing his ass to the wolves on opening day after his first NFL camp.
I emphasized this point by mentioning that Chiefs fans by and large are not familiar with these concepts because the last time our beloved franchise possessed the requisite nut sack to make that kind of commitment and take QB in the first round; "Donkey Kong was setting the mother****ing world on fire"!!!
:cuss:

His resonse? Well, ah...

That's right; shut the **** up.

I just about spit my drink when I saw that.

"Stafford surrounded by all that talent".

Short answer:

No.

And that right there is the ****ing problem. See my first post in this thread.

I'm just saying, but we are most likely going to find out if I am wrong. Please remind me if I'm wrong.

I want to know why people think Tim Tebow won't be a good NFL quarterback. I've even heard things like he'd have more of a chance at runningback. So what's the deal? What's he missing?

I also want to know what position you think he'll play in the NFL at all and if it'd be worth spending a late pick on him to see what he's got at QB.

All of them?

Which QB of next year's class can even sniff the high quality of Stafford or Sanchez?

Sadly, none, but you never know. Matt Ryan was an afterthought before his Sr. year. If someone does emerge, they will be bashed relentlessly, I guarantee you that.

DaKCMan seems hopeful that Tebow spending time with a quality QB coach who will work on his throwing mechanics will turn him into a great NFL QB. Maybe it will work.

But for now, "heart" and "guts" and all that bullshit alone won't get Tebow much of anything in the NFL apart from sore bones and a buttload of interceptions

He has one of the worst throwing motions of any QB, ever, and comes from an offense that greatly increases his learning curve. He has iffy arm strength and accuracy to boot. Nothing about him says NFL QB.

That's true. It's a rare case you have a QB at the top that people won't bash. If Peyton himself were to be in the last couple of drafts he would get a report like:

"He's got all the measurables you want in a QB, but sometimes he's too animated at the line. He has been known to be calling off audibles right down to the very last seconds of the play clock, this worries a few NFL coaches I have talked to. To me it's not worth the risk of potentially getting a delay of game call, I feel the best value is the coverage LB who makes all the plays he should. If not the LB, go RT or G.

ROFL Nice.

If Stoopers puts Sammie under center he would have a better chance but the the darkhorse would have to be Jimmy Clausen of Notre Dame.

Jevan Snead will be next year's Josh Freeman. Tony Pike is a darkhorse with some upside.

Josh Freeman can go blow a diseased goat.

shouldn't you actually know something about the Georgia team if you're going to make claims based upon them?


because it is obvious you don't know anything about them....you're just making stuff up....

Like it or not these top 5 guys, especially at a high visibility position like quarterback, essentially have become their own "brand" or company going into the NFL. It's about the deals that this exposure/recognition will bring down the line.

I like Stafford and hope we draft him, but:

Why is it that winning a Super Bowl is the end all be all to if a QB in the NFL is worth a shit, but when it is a college QB, it isn't all that important if they win because "they weren't surrounded by all world talent?" Stafford's Georgia team was preseason #1 and they underperformed this year. I see all the posts about Cassel only being a good trade if he wins a Super Bowl in the next several years, but yet winning at the college level for Stafford doesn't show anything?

With the roster changing all the time and the amount of teams, you can't judge a kid based on how many championships they won. Throw in the fact that more and more teams are going to the spread, which is a deadly offense in the college ranks due to a lack of speed and elite talent on defenses.

Now if they had an absolutely terrible team, that is cause for concern. They were a good team they just weren't the best.

In the NFL everything is supposed to be an even playing field. No one should hold Cassel to expectations like that, though. It's just not realistic. So many things have to go right in a season that it's ridiculous to hold someone to those standards. Hell, Peyton Manning has only won one with some great Indy teams, and IMO he is the greatest QB to ever play the game and would have been so if he hadn't won a championship.

On the other hand, Urban seems to be attempting to address these perceived "problems" that have people saying that Tebow would be a better fullback than quarterback in the NFL. He's going to be using pro style sets in his offense next year and has brought in a guy (can't remember his name) to orchestrate this as well as refine Tebow's throwing mechanics. I was reading somewhere that the receivers were already commenting on how much better the ball was coming out of his hand, etc.

It's actually nice to see that Urban is going the distance for a kid that had a hand in winning him two national championships in four years. Also, it tells me that there is something about Tebow to make Urban do this for him. I think the kid has got potential. That being said, Stafford looks as good a pro quarterback prospect as I've seen in a long time. Smart, thick build, has decent mobility, and a cannon for an arm. A three year starter that has won all three bowl games he's played in.

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That's pretty damned impressive.

That's what needs to happen if he wants a legitimate shot at being a pro QB. The problem is, and depending upon his ability to learn and pick things up quickly, he's showing up to the dance at a quarter to midnight.
We'll see. Stafford's 2007 reel looks NOTHING like his 2008, so much can change over the course of a season.

But the important thing is, he's taking the steps, and this only validates 150% the arguments against him coming in to the 2009 draft as opposed to going back to school.
Now, will The Llama and McCroyle follow his lead? They better.

**** me running! That's cool!:eek:

And now I'm sad again...:doh!:

that is actually very impressive

i only hope that detroit takes him so i don't have the pain of us passing on him

We were close. So close. Oh well, maybe ten years from now...:shake:

Yeah, I think they will so it really won't matter.

Didn't you get the memo?

He couldn't beat out a Hall of Fame QB who should have been the league's MVP this year.

So in other words, he sucks.

:shake: ****.......he should be a Chief.

Urban's going the distance for himself, as he realizes he'll never get great QB recruits if they have no shot to go pro. Matt Barkley and Aaron Corp aren't going to run his combination of spread and triple option.

If winning in college was important for the NFL then Gino Torretta, Tommie Frazier and those types would be greatest NFL QBs ever.

He should have thrown that first ball right at Fallon's head.

This.

Yep, good ol' laughingstock Detroit turns out to be smarter than the mighty Jesus GM; who'da thunk it? :doh!:

He's trying to save himself in the future, that's all it is. I brought this up a long time ago. If kids who think they can play in the NFL get offered by teams that run that offense, why would you go there when history tells you that it won't work out?

I hope that trend picks up and the spread filters it's way out of college football. As much as I like watching KU actually compete, more teams need to run pro style formations. It would help the players at the next level and the scouts.

THIS. Put that joke of a trend in the ground where it belongs, and let's play FOOTBALL.

It won't start filtering it's way out for a long time, many many lower tiered teams that can't sign high level recruits will always run it..

The thing is when teams like Florida and Michigan run it, it creates issues because 5 star kids do look at those schools...

This is what I think will happen, eventually it will become like the old option was. The NFL will look down upon programs that run it and you'll see kids who are really concerned about their futures avoid those programs.

The main issue here is Florida uses it and Florida is in a very rich recruiting state...so sometimes it's not going to be easy to convince a 5 star 18 year old kid going to his hometown team isn't best for his future.

I do think eventually you'll see legit offensive recruits start avoiding those schools...the best player Urban Meyer has gotten at that school is being absolutely raked over the coals going into this years draft.

I've talked about how the spread hurts the development of players for the next level the general thing I was met with around here is "it's not college teams jobs to develop players it's their jobs to win"

Of course I think there are some skewed opinions around here since the spread made basically everyone's college team that posts here mean something for the first time in 50 years.