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If they do move Hali to OLB in the 3-4, who are they going to have in the trenches. Dorsey isn't really suited to play in the middle in that kind of defense, do they move him outside and put Tyler at NT? And I guess put McBride in the other DE spot? Not that the defensive line can get much worse than last year, but it is still the one spot on the team that I have no idea what they are going to do with.

The depth chart, for the 3-4, currently...

McBride-Tyler-Dorsey
Hali-Edwards-Boone

I'm thinking Hali and Brian Johnson will still play some DE--but mostly in the 4-3 situtations. Otherwise, they'll try them at OLB in the 3-4...but it's pretty obvious we'll be looking at least one more DE and another DT via June FA and/or the draft.

Where did you get your info? From the Chiefs player I talked to a couple of weeks ago, Hali and McBride are at OLB and Dorsey is at NT.

Okay gang, a guy who sells real estate in Leawood told me that everything is set, pending approval from Brian Waters.

How is what I'm saying any less believable than anybody else? Everything is speculative. At least I've heard something from somebody that has an idea. Thanks, though.

You and your informant may be absolutely correct.

But at this point in time, you have absolutely no credibility on the 'Planet, so people will not likely take your information seriously.

Point taken. Hopefully once the post count increases I can contribute a little better.

You have to have lots of posts before you're no longer a liar.

That's just the way it is.

It's more that the information you provided is accurate. You can have a 30k post count and do the "Okay, gang" stuff. Everyone will take your word once info is made public if your correct. You were the guy that said Dorsey is up to 330 right?

Unless you work for WPI, then you are always considered a liar by the Planet.

I think there's also an interview last week with Tank Tyler talking about how he's playing the nose.

I'm not trying to hijack the thread. I don't know if the info I got is 100% correct, just assumed it was considering the source. I understand the credibility thing, too.

Anyway, even with Dorsey up to 330, if that's true, it would make more sense for Tank to be the NT right now if you ask me.

Good luck. I'm hoping to get to that point someday too. ;)

I'm doin' the same as you and anyone else at this point....makin' an educated guess. :shrug:

No problem...I'm not trying to be a dick, just curious if you had heard something. It's frustrating not knowing for sure...

No prob. If Dorsey has really put on 20+ pounds, and McBride lost 10-15....then I could see them trying what you say. OTOH, I just plugged 'em in, where I thought they fit based on their size/skill sets/role in 3-4....based on what I know as a former coach, albeit at the HS level. You could be right, but like I said....they'll be looking for better fits at DT and DE for the 3-4, than the current roster provides---if for depth and nothing else at this point.

That said, I don't see any of those guys....McBride, Hali, or Dorsey performing at a probowl level at the spots you mention, anytime soon anyway.

The way I hear it, Dorsey was upwards of 320 last year, and he's dropping weight to get some of his explosiveness back.

But I have no way of verifying that...

If Tamba Hali really plays a standing up OLB position it is going to be one of the saddest and funniest things ever witnessed.

I'm not 100% sure. But I think Hali played some standup DE at Penn State.

That's nice and all but it's nothing like playing 3-4 OLB, Tamba Hali isn't even athletic for an end...let alone a guy standing up all the time.

What's the chance of moving him inside, and using him as a blitzing ILBer?

Truth is, he has no position in a 3-4, if they could trade him for anything they should.

Key being if they could...They'd be lucky to get a 4th out of him right now.

I'd take what I could get, it's better than just cutting the guy or watching him make a fool of himself out there.

You really don't have any idea of what you're talking about here.

And here we go someone is gonna tell me Tamba Hali is awesome and super athletic and can play some OLB..

What has he ever done to make anyone remotely believe he can do this?

Some new footballs and a couple kicking tee's

Shush, The Guardian, is here to tell us how ****ing awesome Tamba Hali is!

You think measurables make great players? Lavar Arrington was an athletic freak. But the guy didn't have the instincts or ability to learn how to breakdown pre-snap offenses worth a crap. Marvin Lewis' words that "Lavar just doesn't get it" basically meant the guy didn't have it upstairs to be an elite player. And he never was.

Second, playing outside backer in the defensive front that the Chiefs are going to run isn't really any different than playing defensive end. Last time I checked he could do that.

This is part of the problem with discussing X's and O's with guys like you. You think you know something, but you really don't. You don't even understand the difference between an over and an under front, a shade, a gap, a technique, or what have you. You think because you heard the term "3-4" defense that Tamba will be playing like an outside linebacker in regards to what Pittsburgh does, but you don't even understand what he'll be asked to do, or that the ends need to be "X amount tall" or "X amount weight". Guys like you say "Curry would be swallowed up by NFL Tackles" when lots of smaller guys rush the passer. You look at the combine and this is what you base your opinion of players on.

Tamba won't be asked to drop into coverage with tight ends man to man, he may be asked to do zone drops, like even defensive tackles do sometimes, and anyone can do that. But Tamba has done a solid job until this past year when he was injured with the same leg injury that held Dwight Freeny to 3.5 sacks just a couple of seasons ago. Tamba will be fine. As will Dorsey.

That's a really drawn out post to try to say you like Tamba Hali...that's nice I don't, I didn't like him in 4-3 either.

Yeah his first couple of years really sucked. Oh wait, they didn't. My bad. Oh wait, no YOUR BAD. Got it.

lol, gotta love it when someone breaks it down, and the other guy just doesnt have anything, but i dont like him. lol

dude, you need to stick around here. I love all your ownage so far. The thing with people is they think one way and can never change their mind at anything.

Anyways, welcome aboard.

What do you want me to tell him?

If someone can't see with their own eyes that Tamba Hali, is A not athletic, B gets hurt all the time, and C is not a 3-4 OLB, nothing I say is going to change his mind so I'm not going to go into great argument detail about it.

When Tamba Hali is getting beat around the edge by Trent Edwards, the argument is funny to have.

Hey, i dont like Tamba either, but he was a first round pick of ours and they will try to fit him in and see for themselves. I really do hope they find a role for him starting. I am not sure they will, but this other dude has been breaking it down exactly why. ITs more then alot of other people do here, including me. I dont know much about X's and O's.

I am anxious to see what they do. I really am.

He wasn't a 1st round pick by these guys, this isn't Carl holding onto a guy for 5 years praying he produces something.

Yet somehow the guy was athletic enough to...

a. play division I football
b. make it into the NFL as a first rounder
c. collect 15.5 sacks force 8 fumbles, and grab an interception in his first two years
d. is so injury prone that he has missed 1 game in three years
e. isn't going to be asked to PLAY OUTSIDE LINEBACKER IN A 2 GAP DEFENSE LIKE YOU KEEP GOING ON AND ON ABOUT

The Colts should have cut that damned Dwight Freeney after that 3.5 sack season. Dummies. Guys like Freeney and Tamba will have down seasons because they play through injuries and it will hurt their stats, but they are still on the field.

You keep trying to argue points that you don't have a clue about. I mean, you can continue but I'm not sure what it will accomplish.

You're not going to go into "great argument" about it because you'd get schooled. The closest you've come to putting your hand in the dirt is giving your Bills buddy a reach-around.

And look who arrives, the internet tough guy.

When you picked your new name did you decide to go with the one that described yourself the best?

The fact that you are mentioning Freeney and Hali in any sort of comparison is funnier than all hell.

Not all ends can play OLB in a 3-4, not all of them are athletic in that regard, stop having a semantics argument. It makes you look dumb, either that or you really don't understand basic stuff like that.

You're essentially acting like any end can play OLB in the 3-4, that isn't the case.

Well, Hali had plenty of opportunities to step up last year and be the guy once we traded Allen. He really got it done too:). If he can't hack it as a DE, which is the position he was drafted to play, I don't see how we are going to have a high success rate moving him to a different position in an entirely new scheme.

It's apparently not just me because in Aaron Maybins scouting report comes this line..

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scouti...ron-Maybin.php

"Other Nittany Lion defensive ends like Courtney Brown, Michael Haynes and Tamba Hali have not fared well in the pros"

Freeney and Hali were mentioned because they both had the same type of leg injury and had down seasons due to it. Apparently you can't follow the parallel here.

Second, you still don't get it. You really don't. We are not talking about a true 30 front here. This is something I have spelled out over and over and over again and you are oblivious to it. I'm not going to go into it anymore because obviously, you are immune to logic here.

I actually believe that it was you who asked for people to name one guy that didn't played outside linebacker in a 3-4 that wasn't a defensive end. I named several. So which is it? You need to be an end to play outside linebacker? Or now that doesn't matter? What it really appears like to me is that you are really just a master, of complete rectum talk. Yessir I believe you must have a PhD in that because you don't have a damned clue as to what you are talking about here.

Because he would go back to his position as a strongside end, where he was in fact, a good player.

Oh wait this is one of the dumb noobs that got banned isn't it?

Sensible Chiefs fan I think...the guy who gave Donnie Edwards as an example of playing outside in a 3-4. Also the only guy that thinks Tamba Hali can play OLB in a 3-4.

It all makes so much sense now.

Well gosh, that cements it!

This is the same place that called Derrick Johnson "as good a linebacker prospect as you will ever find". :rolleyes:

Sorry not me. But you are the guy that has Sanchez chin nuts aren't you?

Ahaha it is that guy, the Sanchez comment cements it.

You don't make a comment like "I've explained time and time again" when you have 16 posts if you weren't here with another name before.

Check my first few posts. The ignorance about how the defense would line up is what finally made my go from lurker to posting. And yes, you are one of those ignorant mofo's I am talking about. You think x an o's are something in the soup mom is serving you.

Have you gotten Sanchez's nuts off of your chin yet? Yes or no?

That fat bidge is getting torn a new one here. LMAO

You don't like Sanchez?

Oh boy, yes Mark Sanchez has alot to do with Tamba Hali's shitty ass.

I think I'd rather be on the Sanchez train than the Hali train, there are plenty of things you can argue to me. Tamba Hali being a good player that is going to have a role on a top defense isn't one of them.

I also love that we want to use a defense like Arizona's nothing is smarter than going with a scheme that got less out of it's players than it should have.

Jealous? Boyfriend out of town?

Nah he likes Tamba Hali....so that kind of sums it up I think.

Sure I do. Tamba may never be a guy that wins DPOY or gets 15 sacks, but he's a hard worker who plays through injuries, never gives up on a play, is smart and will do whatever is asked of him without complaining. I like intangibles in players like that and apparently so does guys like Belichick and Parcells and guys like that. I guess they should pay more attention to combine stats instead of this stuff.

And there it is, the markets obsession with the hard working nice guys.

Mecca and his 6'7", 260lb. 4.6 guy trumps Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick, Scott Pioli, etc.

You heard it here first, folks. The gorilla who spends 80 percent of his life on ChiefsPlanet will soon be telling the likes of Parcells and Pioli how to build a football team and what to look for in plays.

Bill Parcells dropped a 1st round pick on Bobby Carpenter so come again?

No one is right all the time.

The philosophy in New England and before that in Cleveland when BB and Pioli were there and before that with the Parcells/BB/9rennel/Groh Giants is that you build frpom the lines out.
The place where the Patriots have had the most draft success is on the DL. They went against conventional wisdom and picked Richard Seymour at 6 when the media and fans wanted David Terrell. In 2002 they drafted Jarvis Green in the 4th. In 2003 the media and fans wanted them to trade up for Dwayne Robertson but they picked Ty Warren at 14. In 2004 they drafted Wilfork.
They want to play 3-4. You HAVE to have a good NT.

Raji.
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Shush, we're going to run the awesome hybrid that all of our current players fit into remember the roster is 85% done!

I can never understand how people get married to football players who play on a 2-14 team. They were 2-14 because they were pretty shitty.
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No kidding, it doesn't make much sense but it happens.

Its like the folks last night talking about how adding Boldin would make the offense UNSTOPPABLE.
Get real. I don't see Montana, Rice,Taylor out there or Brady, Moss, and Welker with excellent rosters supporting them

This is the Chiefs. They need an overhaul worthy of a 2-14 team.
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Dude we got people who think they're going to the playoffs next year because "we got talent and Herm was just a bad coach"

The Chiefs front 7 needs an enema more than a new scheme.

If your front 7 sucks your team sucks.
Raji and then some.

Why can't the Chiefs get players like Jared Allen?
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See, this is interesting to me, especially because the team has already added Thomas and Vrabel. I was discussing this elsewhere, but Chiefsplanet is as good a place for it as anywhere....

If the Chiefs see Dorsey as a 3-4 end, then they take Raji and have 2 of the 3 DL spots nailed down for the next 5-6 seasons. If they see Dorsey as a 3-4 NT, they take Curry and have 3 of the 4 LB spots nailed down this year while Curry learns on the job. Either way, the team should be significantly better in the front seven going forward, even if no other moves were to be made (which I expect will not be the case).

And it's already improved a ton even before the draft. I think it's entirely possible we're a half-decent team 5-9(wow, maybe. don't forget it's the top of a broad range) wins next year. I think the offense will be pretty good, and the defense will be better.

How would they have 3 of the 4 LB spots nailed down for 5 years? Curry is the only guy there that is still going to be playing 5 years from now.

Half decent is a fine expectation...they have a ridiculous schedule and still lack alot of things though...

I don't see more than 6 wins honestly.

I didn't say that, so you misread it. Take another look.

I wouldn't be against the Chiefs getting Shaun Rogers AND drafting Raji the way the Patriots brought in Keith Traylor the year they drafted Wilfork. Lots of big tubs of goo are needed at Arrowhead.
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Eh I read it real fast...the problem remains most of them are going to be role players. I mean that isn't horrid but they don't appear to have the NT or the pass rusher they'll need.

Plus we have a defensive coaching staff that most people would agree is rather questionable.

It would be a ridiculous schedule if we didn't get to play the AFCW. As it stands it's pretty tough, ya.

The Guardian will be along shortly to rip you a new one...didn't you read his post about how we don't need 290lb ends and if you think we do you don't understand anything?

Well, again..... the NT would either be Dorsey, if they think he can do it, or Raji. It really shouldn't be about this upcoming season for the team and fans anyway. This is a year that people should be looking at improvement that may not translate to wins. Next season should be an easier schedule and the second year under the new regime. That's when the wins should really start to take on some significance.

I've never seen a first half schedule as tough as the Chiefs have. The entire NFC East in a row plus Baltimore and San Diego? Who did Hunt piss off???
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I think Tank can be the NT we need. And I hope we acquire a pass rusher in the draft. If we don't we'll need to pick someone up when teams make cuts. Maybe Johnston can excel in the scheme.

As for the defensive staff, 2 DC's should be able to collaborate. I wish we would've gotten Crennel, but this isn't the end of the world. That defense played well in the playoffs for having a few holes.

That's fine, I was more directing that at people who seem to think the Chiefs can compete for the playoffs right now.

i agree about tank, he needs to work on those legs though

I'm not sure what Tyler is...he isn't really built like a NT, he's top heavy.