Teicher: Chiefs tinker with new defense on start of three-day minicamp
 

Chiefs tinker with new defense on start of three-day minicamp
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Jarrad Page couldn’t help but watch with envy when the Chiefs would play an opponent like Pittsburgh or Baltimore, one that plays the 3-4 defense.

“It seems like those guys always get pressure on the quarterback,” said Page, a Chiefs starting safety. “I think with the 3-4, you’re always going to get pressure on the quarterback because you can do so many things. (The offense) never knows who’s rushing and who’s going to drop, so you can bring pressure from more positions.

“That’s what the coaches are doing now, getting guys ready to play. I don’t know yet who’s going to be the stand-up (rushers) outside, whether they’re getting Tamba (Hali) ready to do that or what. We do have enough athletes that we can have some guys do that. I’m pretty sure we have the guys and we can make it happen.”

The Chiefs started the process of installing their new defense Friday with the opening practices of their three-day minicamp, their first under new coach Todd Haley.

The practices were closed to the media, and Haley wouldn’t disclose how the Chiefs lined up defensively. He did say the Chiefs were still assessing skills of various players and would continue to massage the lineup if necessary.

“We’ve got them lined up right now,” Haley said. “But every discussion we have as a coaching staff is, ‘Well, let’s see what this weekend looks like.’ This weekend is more about teaching, really. It’s not even a fair weekend to come out of this and say we’re going to have any idea on evaluations.”

The Chiefs have 67 players. Participation at this minicamp is not mandatory under NFL rules. Haley wouldn’t disclose an exact number of players who participated but said the number was more than 60.

“This is all voluntary,” he said. “The guys have been very good about letting me know when there’s an issue or something’s up. We’ve been 60-plus from the start. That’s a sign that the guys want to get on board.

“The way I’ve seen it work is that this time of year is for getting in condition and getting strong and building the foundation of your team. A lot of things occur in these hours spent in the weight room and out on the turf running and sweating together. Relationships start to form and a bond starts to happen and if you’re not here, that can’t happen.

“There are some that don’t want to do what it takes to win. They’d rather be doing something else when the other guys are working together and trying to build the foundation.”

Haley indicated much of the practices were spent teaching the basics.

The Chiefs are planning to play some of their old 4-3 defense as well and look like last year’s Arizona Cardinals. Haley coached for Arizona last season and brought the Cardinals’ coordinator, Clancy Pendergast, to lead Kansas City’s defense.

The Chiefs have yet to unveil publicly when they’re in the 3-4 how they will use several of last year’s players, including former first-round draft picks Hali and Glenn Dorsey.

“It will be interesting to see how the players we have kind of fit into that,” said backup linebacker Monty Beisel, signed last month after 2 1/2 seasons with the Cardinals. “I’m still not real familiar with who’s who on this team yet. What I do know is that from the top down with Scott and Todd and bringing in Clancy and Gary Gibbs and all of those guys, we’ve got a knowledgeable group of coaches.

“I know a little bit about Derrick Johnson and what kind of player he is. He’s an athlete that can make plays. Once we learn the scheme, it will be exciting and effective.

“It’s a players’ defense. It’s kind of a hybrid, some 3-4, some 4-3. The guys I’ve been around have really enjoyed the defense. We changed it, modified it, did a lot of different things, and that’s fun for the players. You can definitely make a lot of players. You get to play fast and attack, so from a player’s aspect, it’s fun.”

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Its exciting seeing Page become a more pro-active guy within the organization. He seems to be voicing his opinion more often than not. This Hybrid defense should be fun to watch. We will never know who is gonna be out on the field and it should keep guys fresh during the game with rotation.

Correct, Page. "Those guys." Read: talented players.

There is no magic system that masks deficiencies in talent.

lol, he's been in a shitty defense his whole NFL career, he doesnt know any better. lol

Normally I would get a chubby over my team making big changes to improve themselves but Tamba moving to OLB does nothing for me.

If he drops 20-30 pounds then maybe... but at 280?

Tamba at OLB is likely going to be an ugly site too see

Only for Chiefs fans

Oh no...Guardian is gonna show up and tell you guys how wrong you are and how Tamba Hali will do a fine job...

Just like everyone thought he would make a good RE last year?

And then he'll be unanimously praised for giving his analysis.

ROFL

He's a good guy and is capable of nice insight but some people act like ****ing Bill Walsh just dropped some knowledge.

Sham-WOW!

Tamba Hali has alot of supporters for some reason...people will argue he's been productive.

Don't look at me I didn't like that pick when they made it.

He's kind of like RainMan in that he uses big words so he makes people think he knows what he's talking about. And some of what he said was fine, but this Hali OLB thing is just insanity.

If by "everyone", you mean the Chiefs defensive coaching staff, I guess yeah.

If you mean certain Chiefsplanet members, then NO.

I hate saying this but Tamba is Ryan Sims all over again... albeit with a much better attitude and seemingly a better work ethic.

One big year then bust.

Oh how I wish that the Chiefs had drafted the guy I wanted... Santonio Holmes.

What about the guy I wanted!

I was just looking up Tamba's 40 time and he ran a 4.75... but what stuck out to me is he was projected as a 2nd round pick and #47 overall. To his(or the Chiefs) credit he was ranked the #3 DE though.

Hali's workouts were not impressive at all, it was major topic how he killed his stock with them.

Your guy sucked... mine is much better. :D

My guy made a pro bowl...

Politics

To this date, Cromartie has had one good season - and we didn't have a chance to draft him anyway.

Tamba Hali will be a failure of epic proportions at OLB.

Holtus thinks he is going to shine as a stand up pass rusher in the new D.

Cromartie was on the trading block this past season. And the guy is terrible in man coverage. He had one year where he grabbed a lot of picks, but this past season the guy was beat more than a dirty rug. Deltha O'Neal had a year where he had a bunch of picks. He was never worth a shit at man coverage though, and never is Cromartie.

Second, I've said unequivocally that I don't expect Tamba to ever be a defensive player of the year or a 15 sack type guy, but some of you talk about him as if he's the worst defensive lineman in the league and it's silly. The guy had 15.5 sacks and 8 forced fumbles his first two seasons and then after a season where he struggled with injuries and a position change he's worthless? It's silly, and that's what I am pointing out.

It's funny how Tamba takes a beating around here yet it's Derrick Johnson that has been a far bigger disappointment. Johnson was talked about as a top 5 selection and a "can't miss prospect" coming out of the draft yet the guy never shows up in shape, can't read a pre-snap offense, doesn't get into position properly, and doesn't play consistently hard. Yet he seems to get a bit of a pass. I've never seen a linebacker flop around like a fish the way he does at the snap of the ball because he's confused about where the play is going. If anyone is having a make or break season it's that stiff.

Oh and big words offend you Mecca then maybe you should go get an education.

No it won't because Curry will be our pick.

plenty of us are hard on johnson


hehe

I just can't get real excited having a DC that was FIRED from the AZ CARDINALS.

I know they went SB, but still it's just the thought.

And how does taking an ILB affect Hali's status?

The guy you wanted wasn't even available at our pick. What's your point?

I wanted the Chiefs to draft Peyton Manning too.

Stop it. Perspective is not allowed here.

I agree 100% Nothing special about his coaching career.

I think it's hilarious how Mecca gets pissed off because someone uses high school words on him.

Good post Guardian. There are tons hard on DJ though.

People aren't nice to Derrick Johnson either...

Cromartie was on the trade block really? Seeing as the Chargers said that isn't true and he spent the entire season playing with a fractured hip, it's cool to say he sucks I'm sure.

Yeah, because teams all the time come out and admit who they have on the trade block.

Cromartie isn't awful, but he's not the savior you think he is either.

Cromartie really has nothing to do with this anyhow..

The entire premise of the argument I had with that guy was about Tamba Hali. I don't know why anyone in their right mind thinks he can play standing up.

Of course it has to do wtih Cromartie. You said that the guy you wanted went to the Pro Bowl. But the only problem with your logic is that the guy you wanted was drafted ahead of Hali.

They teach sequencing in 3rd-6th grade.

I don't remember ANYONE thinking that was a good idea except for Gunther, Herm, and Krummy.

Again, HOW THE **** DOES KRUM**** HAVE A JOB??

The same reason Pendergrast got the DC job after getting fired for failing in Arizona. Our coaching options were rather limited because we were so busy "taking our time" hiring people.

:)

I don't think Tamba will play well at OLB. But I think he'd be a better OLB than a 3-4 DE. I don't ****ing care honestly.

Epic Win!

So, Hali and McBride were working out as OLBs today.

I doubt they both end up playing that as a full time position.

I am guessing that it is done to see if they can drop back in coverage, allowing our D to be more versatile and more difficult to read. At least, if we are a hybrid D, that would make a lot more sense than seeing them as full time LB's.

No, I am certain that them lining up and working as LB's in the first voluntary mini camp means they will be the opening day starters at OLB. At least from some of the reactions around here I have to believe that or else people are getting way ahead of themselves. Nah, I am sure its already cemented.

Your man-crush is injury prone. :thumb: