Legal Steroids
 

Whats the closest thing to steroids that you can buy over the counter or online? Im looking for something that will enhance the effectiveness of working out without the side effects of illegal anabolic steroids.

I used to be pretty cut back in my early 20's and used all kinds of supplements but I never really knew if they were helping or not. Ive let myself go a little bit since then, Im not fat but Im definitely soft and with summer coming up ive decided to get back in shape.

Anti-Freeze gel capsules.

Raw eggs.

Everytime I see a thread like this, I'm reminded of: (NSFW)

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You can buy steroids over the counter but there will be side effects just like the illegal ones. Do some research at prohormoneforum.com. You will get much better advise there then here.

Thats hilarious. Unfortunately Im not doing it for the pussy, Im married. :(

1.5 grams of protein per # of weight

MUSCLE MILK!!!!

HGH!!!

PROTIEN!!!!

POWER BAR!!!!

When I used to lift all protein did was go to my gut. Didnt help me much at all.

Holy shit thats a lot of info to sort through. I was hoping there was something you could take before and/or after a workout that would give quick results. All that talk of stacking and cycles is too much info for me, maybe I'll just stick to eating right.

It's required to help your body rebuild the muscle fibers you tear down while training. You probably didn't eat the correct type of foods, or have a solid ratio of carbs/proteins/fats.

There is, but you need to have your diet and training in check first. The list of the best over the counter steroids are Havoc, S-Drol, Pheraplex, H-Drol, and Trendadrol to name a few. There are possible side effects associated with each, most notiably gyno and shutdown of test production while on cycle. If you want something safer and more mainstream, try some SizeOn or MassFx.

Ive heard of MassFX, a guy at work bought some but never heard of SizeOn. Do they actually work? MassFX looks a little "gimmicky" to me.

I have not used MassFx, but have good heard things. I have used SizeOn by Gasapri and it worked. It just depends on what you are expecting.

Everything Im reading about MassFX says to stack with Hyperdrol.

Im 5'11" and weigh 185 lbs - how much/often of the two would you recommend I take? Also is this a good deal and trustworthy store?

http://www.netnutri.com/browse.cfm/4...FQoMDQodYShJFg

HGH fragments and peptides

Its just a guess, but you could probably absorb some legal testosterone by ingesting large quantities of semen....

Some pro-hormones have more sides than illegal steroids.

I haven't taken it so I'm not sure. I would recommend starting a thread on BodyBuilding.com and asking that question. I've bought from them before and they screwed up my order. I would also order from Bodybuilding.com. They are by far the best site to order from.

Dude, it's all gimmicky. Eat more protein and lift - that's it. Food is the most anabolic substance there is.

True. If he went that route then H-Drol would probably be the to go for a first timer.

No doubt

What is all gimmicky? Buy a bottle or RPN Havoc for $29.99 at Nutraplanet.com, take it for 4 weeks and get back to me.

take gakic...shit works. don't take it right before bed though, you won't sleep for a while

it gives you a 10% strength increase so you can lift more weight and more reps than normal. It's 70.00 at gnc, you can get it on amazon for 40.00. 120 caplets, 8 per serving.

take creatine as well to fuel your muscles and build them back up quickly.

Gakic is one of the few MT products worth a crap.

I thought all creatine did was make your muscles retain water so the look bigger?

Cocunut Cream Pie.

Would that stuff work better than the mass fx you recommended? Do you have to stack it to notice results like mass fx? Thats a pretty good price compared to other stuff Ive been looking at and it has great reviews. I would love to be able to use just one product instead of several at the same time.

Well the politically correct answer would be "No" steroids are bad, you need to research for a year and educate yourself first. But if your like me you say screw it and take a bottle, put 40 lbs on your bench in a month, and gain about 20lbs. But there really could be side effects. It will shut down your test production and could kill your labido and make you lethargic toward the last week. You should also take something for Post Cycle Therapy. The pro's will tell you to take a SERM, but you could get buy with a bottle of Reveristol. Again this isn't the most detailed and safest advice, but you could get a bottle of Havoc and then take a bottle of Reveristol after that to get your body back to normal function.

How often do take a cycle of Havoc? Is it just a one time thing, or do you take another cycle after you're finished with your Reversitol?

Rule of thumb is time off should be time on + PCT. So I would take 2-3 months off before running another hormonal altering product.

V-Tren or T-bomb

Good stuff you can buy for $40 a bottle @ "The nutrition Company" I used it and saw amazing results. Just came off a cycle of 30 days. It is as close to trenblone as you can get ...just make sure you buy a bottle of reversitol at the same time and start taking it a couple of days before your cycle ends

FYI max muscle also sells the same stuff but at quite a markup of about $90 a bottle...I would reccomend buying their name brand protein mixes as they are very tasty. Also don't for get to get a vitamin to take every morning, I loved their liquid vitamin they sold...just take a shot in the AM, you are already taking a ton of pills why take more?

Do this for your workout. I'm doing it now and I've never gained strength, or mass as fast.

Do 4-7 exercises, I do bench, squat, back rows, shoulder press then vary between leg curls, extensions or biceps and triceps each week.

When lifting count to 5, one thousand one, one thousand 2 etc so you do 5 seconds up and 5 seconds down. Then you want to lift until failure, which should be 8-12 reps, no more. Wait 3 minutes between each exercise. It takes about 30 minutes and you should lift 2x per week.

For diet it's good to eat lots of protein, veggies and stuff like black beans, pinto beans or lentils. I usually have a meat, veggie and beans for meals, or I'll eat eggs sometimes too. Within 90 minutes of the workout you can have 'white' carbs, like pizza and things, but only in that time line. I'd be doing better if I obeyed that rule.

Anyway, I could see in 2 weeks a difference in my arms, legs and chest. That was a total of 4 workouts, 2 hours of time at the gym.

V-Tren? Who makes that?

T-Bomb is a Natty Test Booster, not a steroid.

BCD - Do you take anything for your liver while taking Havoc?

Yea but in 30 days can you make a ~50% jump in weight?

Max Muscle has their own blend, I took a cycle of that and bought abottle from TNC but I can't remember the manufacturers name "castle" something IIRC

Since it methylated you can if you want to be extra careful. Liv52 is a good choice and cheap on Ebay.

Body weight, or weight you lift?

Try youtube searching p90x workouts. They don't use heavy heavy weights.

They use rubber bands. Burn off those extra calories with some sort of aerobics.

Don't DIET. Reducing calaries only wastes your muscle. I learned this the hard way.(angry)

Keep a log of what you eat. Only try and eat enough calories to grow more muscle. You will always get some fat with anabolism.

Jesus ****.

For starters you might want to ask questions like this somewhere where more people have the knowledge to help you. You've gotten some VERY idiotic advice so far.

Next, how about training and dieting consistently?

IMO if you're gonna use steroids you're better off using real established steroids. The OTC options differ only in the fact that their molecular structure wasn't patented by drug companies. There are a multitude of reasons all these legal steroid moleculaes weren't sought after and patented by drug companies. Their effectiveness to side effect ratio is completely out of whack. The side effects are the, same if not even greater, while the benefits are less.

Cue the BB.com PH bro's.

This = Stupid

Which brings us back to the thread title "Legal Steroids".

iso- 4x8 3 on one off 3 on. drink lots of water.

4 exercises for each muscle group. so one day you do arms 4x8x4 Bis 4x8x4 Tris.
i did 1)arms/shoulders 2)legs/lower back 3)upper back/chest 4)off

hard work is the only way to get natural gains.

Are you guys injecting this stuff?

I think stupid replies are the ones with replies of 'stupid' and nothing else.

P90x seems to make you cut legally. So you're saying it's a lie huh?

LOL, no.

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lol

jesus ****ing christ

If you are wanting to look good, your question should have been to the chicks on the board. It should have been "what looks better, a bulked up cut look, or a lean cut look?" I used to lift real heavy weights and take aminos and whey protein in order to add mass and size. Most gals I know think that look is really sort of funny, not hot. My wife tells me she thinks lean and cut is way hotter than bulky. Not to mention that when you get old enough that the metabolism really slows down, or a joint injury prevents you from working out, guess what happens to all that mass you built up? It turns to crap and you look bulky and uncut. Forever! Do what your body was designed to do. Lots of cardio (think of chasing and being chased by animals), eat lots of lean protein and fruits and vegetables. Take in 5 or 6 smaller meals a day. Lift with lots of reps of lighter weights. Train your core (abs, back, hips, gluts) hard daily

Ok bad choice of words. It was probably helping during the healing process, but I swear as soon as I started drinking that shit my stomach got flabby and when I quit it tightened back up.

Creatine doesnt help your muscles retain water?

Wow. I read through this entire thread and there is alot of bad advice. First off, if you dont really know what creatine does then you really have no business messing with any type of pro-hormone or steroids. 2nd of all, the only legal steroids are ones given to by perscription by your Dr. 3rd, pro-hormones or any other oral steroids are not legal either....the real ones aren't. There are shady websites around that will sell u stuff that may or may not work. The old addage about steroids applies here, Oral steroids: all the bad side effects of REAL steroids with almost none of the benefits. FWIW, I have taken pro-hormone type oral "steroids" in the past *(they dont call them steroids) and YES I did have brief size and strength gains but they were temporary...they go away almost as soon as you quit taking them no matter how hard you keep working out. There is a reason the pro's take the real steroids for 16+ weeks, thats how u keep your gains. My whole-hearted honest recommendation would be to eat plenty of good quality protein, a good quality CEE (creatine ethyl ester), lots of water and eat lots of good food. Stay away from the drugs, especially oral type of steroids because the negative side-effects outweigh the brief positives. You only have one liver.

No it does in fact, and I can demonstrate this not only by weight going up but by body water percentage also increasing. That said, creatine has been shown in actual medical studies to have a statistically significant gain in muscle mass.

I actually started using it way back in college but stopped a while ago, I started back again for my workouts, when I was talking to my dad about workouts and he actually mentioned it(he's an actual MD). Studies back up that it does help gain. Not nearly as huge as steriods obviously but also not the side effects.

interesting thread.

enough books have been written about this to fill the grand canyon. people will argue about it until the end of time.

it sounds like what is wanted is a shortcut but you're concerned about the risks. instead of worrying that your liver is going to blow up or something, why not just do the sure thing? make the requisite lifestyle changes.

First off you need to have your diet in check before you worry about any supplements or they won't be doing a whole lot of good. I don't know when you workout (you should be working out atleast 3-4 times per week) I go Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, I go upper body monday and thursday, lower body tuesday and friday. So go get yourself a gym membership. I don't know what your goals are exactly...For breakfast eat complex carbs and slow digesting protein such as oatmeal, eggs, and a banana. I don't know when/if you work out. but preworkout you want carbs and protein again, workout hard absolutely push yourself-you have to put in hard work in and out of the gym you can't have one without the other, especially after your beginner gains. Post workout speed is the key replenishing lost nutrients and rebuilding muscle fibers, so a quick acting protein like whey protein, along with fast acting carbs, and creatine is great here. I personally use universal torrent for postwork (a supplement that be found at bodybuilding.com) You should be eating 6 meals a day. Drink lots of water and eat a veggie with lunch and supper. Avoid processed foods, fats, beer, soda as much as possible I realize you may need a little once in awhile to keep yourself sain. You should get 20-30 grams of protein with each meal try to pick a main healthy protein, carb, and healthy fat source- aim for 1.5 g's of protein per pound of bodyweight each day. Before bed, Slow acting protein also known as casein protein is big to help fuel your body throughout the night so you don't go into the catabolic state. So milk and eggs or cottage cheeese is a good choice here. It takes hard work, consistency, motivation, and the willpower to follow through. Btw a GREAT place to learn about dieting, workouts, supplements, everything you possible need can be found at bodybuilding.com, and not chiefsplanet :) And heres to a happy transformation!

Your diet had to have sucked, then. Did you track your calories in/out? I suspect the answer to that is "No."

First thing you've said that is a great idea.

That's one of the aspects of it, but not the ONLY aspect. Are you under the impression that your muscles aren't composed of a ton of water as it is?

I have no problem with your actual routine, but lifting to failure every time you workout isn't the most efficient or effective way to stimulate them. Lifting to failure more than once every few weeks isn't a good idea.

That's absolutely ridiculous. Your diet must have sucked. You need the appropriate amount of fat, protein and carbohydrates (remember: carbs are protein-sparing).

Good stuff. However, I've found that the store at dpsnutrition.com is usually cheaper than bb.com.

Also, he might want to look into time-release Beta Alanine supplementation instead of or in addition to creatine supplementation.

i've heard of Havoc, what can you tell us about it?

afraid to look up things on the internet about this kind of stuff, there's so much viral marketing out there

I appreciate everyone's help and advice, I think Im just going to stick to a healthy diet and try protein shakes out again. Maybe try creatine later on but not until Ive got a good training program established. Im not big on going to the gym, cant stand people so I'll just do it like I did in my early 20's and stick to running, push-ups, pull-ups, sit-ups, dips, and my good ol' trusty curl bar.

Excellent post. Once you have this down then you can move on to more advanced things if you like, but some supplements do work and can help keep things fresh and intersting especially once you have hit the wall.

As far as creatine goes, I take Storm EVF from Universal Nutrition. I am in my third week, and I can really tell the gains. Also, I can really feel the pump after a lift!
I lift 3 days a week, and very intense workouts. I take one scoop on non-lift days, and two scoops on lift days (30 mins before lifting, and as soon as I can after lifting).

Also, as an extra benefit, it tastes great! Fruit punch kinda tastes like mashed up sweet tarts. And I ****ing love sweet tarts.

I also am taking a whey protein supplement as well. 1.5 scoops in the morning every day, and 1.5 scoops post workout on lifting days.

I am 5'11 and weigh 182 lbs. I am 23 years old on Saturday the 25th, and I am devoted to losing my college gut. I started working out last August 08, but I slacked and was very inconsistent. I noticed little gains, but that was because I went from nothing to something, even if I half assed it.

I got serious about it in Feb. 09. I want to get in shape for summer, and I desperately want a six pack like I had in highschool. I have the top two visible, the middle two are barely visible, and of course the bottom two are wrapped by an ever shrinking spare tire.

I ran three miles tonight, and I am very excited and proud of myself. I never thought I would be able to do that!

So keep it up, and good luck. As the other guys said, this probably isn't the place to learn about getting in shape and what-not, but it helps to talk to normal dudes in similar situations instead of meat heads at the gym or on body building forums.

PS- you said you aren't doing it to get pussy, because you are married. Do it for yourself then! Pull a Lester Burnam from American Beauty, just don't try and **** your teenage daughter's friend. Or get shot. Man I love that movie.

There was a bodybuilder probably more than ten years ago who retired and said that it was no longer bodybuilding, it was chemical warfare.

Yes, precisely. I don't actually look bigger or gain much weight on creatine like most people though. I notice about 2 lbs gain if that, and that's it. But it hydrates you with more water where you need it so you can lift more. When you lift more, you put extra strain on your muscles that you otherwise wouldn't of had, thus forcing your muscles to adapt and get larger/stonger after creatine isn't in your system.

Prohormones.

don't know if they work.

Too late: I think at least one poster has already confessed to this. :D

They do. Google it.

Damnit! I haven't been here long enough yet! That would have been a really good thread back in my lurkin' days.

Which one of these creatine products would you guys recommend? Do the cheaper brands work as well as the more expensive brands?

http://www.nutraplanet.com/search?query=creatine

I dont know about all the brands on that list but CEE (creatine ethyl ester) is what I would get. It's a bit more expensive but CEE is more easily absorbed by your body than monohydrate. The cheapest form is the powder that you mix in water or juice or something but you have to be TOUGH to choke that stuff down....i used up a whole jug and still dreaded taking it every time. The pills are much easier to deal with. lol

I was kind of wondering about that. Do the pills actually work? I would much rather take the pills but I have a feeling the powder would work better for some reason.

Yeah, they work. Get a decent brand...doesnt have to be the most expensive ones though. CEE compared to monohydrate is like PRO football vs. pop warner.

What is nitric oxide creatine? Is it better than CEE?

http://www.amazon.com/BSN-NO-XPLODE-...1275002&sr=1-7

Not sure...guys used to take N.O. along with the creatine so its a natural mix I guess. The N.O. would usually give you an extreme muscle pump while/after lifting...I didnt care for it but some guys loved it.