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KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 10:42 PM

Fatlock wants Coffman in KC
 
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1155419.html

I have to agree with him :)

Sorry if re-post.

Mecca 04-21-2009 10:43 PM

You're suppose to copy the article into the opener man!

CoMoChief 04-21-2009 10:45 PM

3rd rounder bet your ass I'd take him if Tony G leaves.

BigRock 04-21-2009 10:45 PM

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My dream scenario would be for the Chiefs to trade down in round one and pick up a second-round pick. With their first pick, the Chiefs take Maclin, and with their second they take Coffman.
CHASE DANIEL IN THE THIRD

Reaper16 04-21-2009 10:46 PM

WHAT ABOUT WILLIAM MOORE

JEFF WOLFERT IN THE 6TH

HEY LETS TRADE FOR WILL FRANKLIN

T-post Tom 04-21-2009 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692572)
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1155419.html

Chiefs need to draft Chase Coffman

We all have our NFL draft-day wish lists. Mine is short, just one name. Chase Coffman.

Coffman, a Missouri tight end, is not the most talented player in this weekend’s draft, or even, according the experts, one of the three or four best tight-end prospects.

He is, in my opinion, the only can’t-miss prospect.

Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Michael Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin and all the other top-10 prospects may one day be enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. They could also be gigantic busts, the next Ryan Leaf or Charles Rogers.

Chase Coffman will not be a bust. He will catch numerous touchdown passes in the NFL. He will be a high-impact rookie, a difference-maker for some quarterback, an easy-to-exploit weapon for a creative offensive coordinator.

I want the Chiefs to do whatever is necessary to draft Chase Coffman.

OK, he’s not worth the third overall pick in the draft. If the Chiefs had their second-round pick (the one they gave up to get Matt Cassel), the top of the second round might be a bit too high for Coffman.

But if Scott Pioli trades down in the first round or moves Tony Gonzalez and/or Brian Waters for additional picks, one of those picks should be used to nab Coffman, who is projected to go between picks 45 and 90.

In the interest of full disclosure, let me inform you that I’m friends with Coffman and his dad, Paul Coffman, the old Chiefs and Green Bay Packers tight end. Chase is represented by NFL superagent Tom Condon, another friend of mine. And, finally, Chase was a college roommate of Blake May, who can best be described as my adopted little brother.

You might argue that I have bias in favor of Chase Coffman.

I’d argue that I have an immense amount of insight into Chase Coffman.

He is exactly the kind of football player Pioli and Todd Haley say they want to bring to Kansas City. He’s a natural-born competitor, a loyal soldier and a high-character individual. Because of the influence of his parents, particularly his father, Chase can handle absolutely everything that goes along with being a top-flight NFL player.

Money won’t change him. Fame won’t swell his head. And the elevation in competition won’t make him melt. He’s going to raise his game and be one of the most effective red-zone receivers in the league.

The knock on Coffman is that he’s a step too slow to be a big-time tight end. He couldn’t participate in the combine because he had surgery on his left foot in January. His 40-yard dash speed is unknown but is believed to be in the 4.8-second range.

His 40 speed is irrelevant. Coffman runs as fast as he needs to get open. He’s the Larry Fitzgerald of tight ends. Yeah, Larry Fitzgerald is the perfect analogy. The Coffmans — Chase and Paul — remind me of Big Larry and Little Larry Fitzgerald.

Big Larry raised his son to be the perfect NFL receiver, exposing him to Cris Carter, Randy Moss and the Minnesota Vikings as a child. Big Larry, a former college football player, schooled Little Larry on professionalism and the kind of work ethic it would take to make it as a pro. Big Larry raised Little Larry in the church.

The only difference between the Fitzgeralds and the Coffmans is that Paul personally knows everything you need to know about playing tight end in the NFL.

You can see Paul’s instincts every time you watch Chase play. The kid knows how to get open. He can find the creases in a zone, sit in them and move with them. And he might choose death over dropping a pass. I don’t ever remembering seeing him drop a pass at Mizzou. His hands are a gift, and they work amazingly well in traffic, along the sideline, in the back of the end zone and with a defender pulling on his shoulders and arms.

At 6 feet 6 inches and 245 pounds, Coffman is always wide open. He’s an ideal tool for a streaky passer. That probably explains the interest from the Eagles. Donovan McNabb is a streak passer. When he completes two or three passes in a row and catches a rhythm, McNabb is as good as Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.

Coffman can warm up any quarterback. Why not Matt Cassel?

My dream scenario would be for the Chiefs to trade down in round one and pick up a second-round pick. With their first pick, the Chiefs take Maclin, and with their second they take Coffman. Gonzalez, Maclin, Coffman and Dwayne Bowe would be an awesome quartet for Cassel to lead in the passing game.

Yeah, I know the Chiefs need toys for their 3-4 defense. I’d shop for Cassel first.

I have to agree with him :)

Sorry if re-post.

FYP

OnTheWarpath15 04-21-2009 10:47 PM

That has to be the most ridiculous, idiotic, mind-bending, WTF? asking piece of tripe I've ever read.

The incredibly small fraction of respect I had for Whitlock as a writer has officially left the building.

:shake:

Pablo 04-21-2009 10:47 PM

*sigh*

I mean, we don't have a 2nd year TE or anything...

buddha 04-21-2009 10:48 PM

Coffman is such a gamer
 
If you're looking for the young tight end equivilent of Vrabel and Zach Thomas, look no further than Chase Coffman. He will always be a man amongst boys.

Bugeater 04-21-2009 10:48 PM

I'm surprised he isn't pimping Nate Davis.

Mecca 04-21-2009 10:49 PM

I love the piece he wrote for the Mizzou fans that's all it is.

Coffman is the 7th best TE in the draft? Why would you write an article about that unless you were just playing to who's in the teams fan base?

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692574)
You're suppose to copy the article into the opener man!

I still havent figured out how to use the quote machine on other web pages....

T-post Tom 04-21-2009 10:49 PM

And if only Jeff George where throwing passes to him. Ohhhhhh....JIMP. :spock:

Pablo 04-21-2009 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by buddha (Post 5692590)
If you're looking for the young tight end equivilent of Vrabel and Zach Thomas, look no further than Chase Coffman. He will always be a man amongst boys.

God knows I'm looking for the young TE equivalent of Mike Vrabel and Zach Thomas.

Mecca 04-21-2009 10:50 PM

If he wanted to pimp a TE I'd rather him pimp one of the athletic freaks than the hometown kid.

Pablo 04-21-2009 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692595)
I love the piece he wrote for the Mizzou fans that's all it is.

Coffman is the 7th best TE in the draft? Why would you write an article about that unless you were just playing to who's in the teams fan base?

Seriously? 7th best?

OnTheWarpath15 04-21-2009 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692595)
I love the piece he wrote for the Mizzou fans that's all it is.

Coffman is the 7th best TE in the draft? Why would you write an article about that unless you were just playing to who's in the teams fan base?

Exactly.

This piece doesn't get written if Coffman played for Purdue.

Then again, it's reeruned that it would be written regardless of where he played.

Mecca 04-21-2009 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88 (Post 5692604)
Seriously? 7th best?

If you go look at the prospect rankings list he's usually 5-8. Usually leaning more towards 6 7 or 8 than 5.

Think of the TE's in this draft, it's a good class.

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88 (Post 5692604)
Seriously? 7th best?

eh, I would say hes a top 3 TE in this draft. I say...Pettigrew, Ingram, then Coffman.

This dude isnt the "7th" best TE in this draft trust me.

KChiefs1 04-21-2009 10:54 PM

Coffman will end up being the best TE to come out of this draft.

Mecca 04-21-2009 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692616)
eh, I would say hes a top 3 TE in this draft. I say...Pettigrew, Ingram, then Coffman.

This dude isnt the "7th" best TE in this draft trust me.

Chase Coffman is not getting drafted ahead of Jared Cook or Shawn Nelson.

ChiefsCountry 04-21-2009 10:55 PM

If we go tight end I want Cornielus Ingram from Florida. This is a selling papers story from Whitlock get the hometown kid pimped up.

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692621)
Chase Coffman is not getting drafted ahead of Jared Cook or Shawn Nelson.

I bet your correct, but I think Chase will end up being better than both of them.

Mecca 04-21-2009 10:56 PM

I like Jared Cook personally, that guy is a monster as a receiver.

Mecca 04-21-2009 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692624)
I bet your correct, but I think Chase will end up being better than both of them.

It'll be hard to be better when he's hurt all the time. Frankly I'd have a real hard time drafting a guy who couldn't stay on the field in college, he has MAJOR durability issues.

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5692622)
If we go tight end I want Cornielus Ingram from Florida. This is a selling papers story from Whitlock get the hometown kid pimped up.

If we dont take Coffman I would be very happy with this selection as well.

OnTheWarpath15 04-21-2009 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692621)
Chase Coffman is not getting drafted ahead of Jared Cook or Shawn Nelson.

No, he shouldn't.

He's the 5th best, at best. Some teams are going to covet Beckum over Coffman because of his speed.

I'd put him at 6th, personally.

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692628)
It'll be hard to be better when he's hurt all the time. Frankly I'd have a real hard time drafting a guy who couldn't stay on the field in college, he has MAJOR durability issues.

Even if hes still available in round 4?

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5692631)
No, he shouldn't.

He's the 5th best, at best. Some teams are going to covet Beckum over Coffman because of his speed.

I'd put him at 6th, personally.

Beckum is an outstanding receiver went and put on 20lbs making him as big as Coffman and he still ran a better time..

I wouldn't be surprised if James Casey went before him too.

Some teams are just not going to take a guy who got hurt all the time.

Pablo 04-21-2009 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692634)
Even if hes still available in round 4?

We could still grab quite a few solid OL in the 4th.

I really don't know why we even need to get another young TE. We have Cottam. And I'm hoping Haley and Pioli want to phase out the TE as a 'playmaker' position. I'd like to see two WR's with skill in KC for once.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692634)
Even if hes still available in round 4?

Honest question, what is special about Chase Coffman when going to the next level?

He is from the spread and isn't a great blocker...he's not overly large, he's not fast. What exactly is going to be his game at the next level?

OnTheWarpath15 04-21-2009 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692634)
Even if hes still available in round 4?

:spock:

Sure, let's pass up a great opportunity to grab OL, or to fill another hole to take a FOURTH tight ****ing end.

Great plan.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88 (Post 5692639)
We could still grab quite a few solid OL in the 4th.

I really don't know why we even need to get another young TE. We have Cottam. And I'm hoping Haley and Pioli want to phase out the TE as a 'playmaker' position. I'd like to see two WR's with skill in KC for once.

Well NE drafted Ben Watson to be a playmaker at TE but he's always injured.

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692637)
Beckum is an outstanding receiver went and put on 20lbs making him as big as Coffman and he still ran a better time..

I wouldn't be surprised if James Casey went before him too.

Some teams are just not going to take a guy who got hurt all the time.

His injuries werent serious other than his last one. Usually they where the nagging little things that made him miss part of a game. He still played in like 50 games during his career, and if I remember right he broke the record for catches by a Tightend in D-I

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5692642)
:spock:

Sure, let's pass up a great opportunity to grab OL, or to fill another hole to take a FOURTH tight ****ing end.

Great plan.

Whats the problem with taking a Tight end in round 4? Especially since TE is going to be a serious need very soon.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:05 PM

We just drafted a TE?

And Coffman really isn't all that much different, if we're going to be drafting a TE he needs to be an elite physical speciman not a nice hometown kid.

Pablo 04-21-2009 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692652)
Whats the problem with taking a Tight end in round 4? Especially since TE is going to be a serious need very soon.

We just drafted Cottam last year.

Pablo 04-21-2009 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692653)
We just drafted a TE?

And Coffman really isn't all that much different, if we're going to be drafting a TE he needs to be an elite physical speciman not a nice hometown kid.

Except Cottam is 2 inches taller and 25 pounds heavier.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:07 PM

The end point is, Chase Coffman isn't some can't miss prospect. He's from Missouri that's what he's got.

He's a nice kid from Missouri that works hard but isn't really all that athletic.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88 (Post 5692657)
Except Cottam is 2 inches taller and 25 pounds heavier.

Pretty much, my point was that if someone wants to take a TE, argue to me to take a playmaking TE.

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692640)
Honest question, what is special about Chase Coffman when going to the next level?

He is from the spread and isn't a great blocker...he's not overly large, he's not fast. What exactly is going to be his game at the next level?

He will be a red-zone threat with his height and size, he has outstanding hands, he can go over the middle of the field. Hes different, but he can create mismatches pretty well in the NFL. He wont be a true Tight End, but more of a slot option in the red-zone.

Mr. Flopnuts 04-21-2009 11:08 PM

TE isn't something we should even be looking at in the draft this year unless the value is phenomenal.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:09 PM

If a team wants a slot option why wouldn't they take all of the guys in the draft who are just as big but much faster?

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 5692664)
TE isn't something we should even be looking at in the draft this year unless the value is phenomenal.

I'd look at Jared Cook but I feel he is a rare prospect.

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692658)
The end point is, Chase Coffman isn't some can't miss prospect. He's from Missouri that's what he's got.

He's a nice kid from Missouri that works hard but isn't really all that athletic.

Hes not a "can't miss" prospect, but he is very athletic for a TE. He was actually a Wide Reciever in High School, I lived right next to him basically, but he has put on around 40 pounds since he got to Mizzou and he still has room to grow.

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88 (Post 5692654)
We just drafted Cottam last year.

So Cottam is quaranteed to be a good TE in this league? What will we do when all we have is Cottam and Tony is gone? It doesnt appear that your thinking about the future.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692671)
Hes not a "can't miss" prospect, but he is very athletic for a TE. He was actually a Wide Reciever in High School, I lived right next to him basically, but he has put on around 40 pounds since he got to Mizzou and he still has room to grow.

He's not athletic in to what I'm comparing him to. He looks like a slow white kid with no athletic talent next to guys like Jared Cook and Cornelius Ingram.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:13 PM

Why are we having a debate about a guy who isn't even a top 4 player at his position?

Oh yea he went to Missouri.

Pablo 04-21-2009 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692674)
So Cottam is quaranteed to be a good TE in this league? What will we do when all we have is Cottam and Tony is gone? It doesnt appear that your thinking about the future.

I hope the future entails the TE position pretty much blocking and catching a couple balls a game because we have 2 good WR's and a OL and RB that can punch the ball into the endzone if need be.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:16 PM

If you wanna pimp a TE go with this guy..

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KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692675)
He's not athletic in to what I'm comparing him to. He looks like a slow white kid with no athletic talent next to guys like Jared Cook and Cornelius Ingram.

I know hes not the athlete that Cook and Ingram are but hes a football player, it isnt all about being athletic. He is fairly athletic when compared to those two, but for a Tightend hes better than most.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:18 PM

No, he's not. The game is different...the TE position is much much more athletic than it use to be and it continues to change that way.

It's why people question Brandon Pettigrew as a high pick that kind of TE is not what's in anymore.

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88 (Post 5692678)
I hope the future entails the TE position pretty much blocking and catching a couple balls a game because we have 2 good WR's and a OL and RB that can punch the ball into the endzone if need be.

So what is wrong with having that extra weapon at Tightend along with that other stuff? I dont want a Jason Dunn as our starting TE. Each team needs somebody that will line-up inside and can attack the middle each play.

Pablo 04-21-2009 11:19 PM

Holy shit, that's a fast 40 for a dude that big.

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692685)
No, he's not. The game is different...the TE position is much much more athletic than it use to be and it continues to change that way.

It's why people question Brandon Pettigrew as a high pick that kind of TE is not what's in anymore.

You cant compare him to Pettigrew :rolleyes: Coffman is nearly the opposite of Pettigrew besides the speed and run-after-catch abilities.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:21 PM

This how a TE stretches the field.

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Pablo 04-21-2009 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692686)
So what is wrong with having that extra weapon at Tightend along with that other stuff? I dont want a Jason Dunn as our starting TE. Each team needs somebody that will line-up inside and can attack the middle each play.

Nothing's wrong with it as long as we don't give up a 3rd or 4th round pick in a OL heavy class with an absolutely shit OL.

I'd rather give Cottam the shot to be the man when Tony leaves, and if he struggles and a great, can't miss prospect comes our way with size, speed, and a great skill-set in a draft down the line, then so be it.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692689)
You cant compare him to Pettigrew :rolleyes: Coffman is nearly the opposite of Pettigrew besides the speed and run-after-catch abilities.

You know Chase Coffmans scouting report basically says he's an average blocker from the spread that doesn't have much wiggle or shiftiness after the catch?

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:23 PM

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scouti...se-Coffman.php

Read the scouting report.

Reaper16 04-21-2009 11:24 PM

I do kinda think that Coffman will be a productive offensive player in the NFL provided he lands with the right team. His hands are pretty incredible.

Pablo 04-21-2009 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5692699)
I do kinda think that Coffman will be a productive offensive player in the NFL provided he lands with the right team. His hands are pretty incredible.

This is true..dude's got sticky fingers.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5692699)
I do kinda think that Coffman will be a productive offensive player in the NFL provided he lands with the right team. His hands are pretty incredible.

He's just...so slow of the top 15 prospects he Brandon Pettigrew and Richard Quinn are the slowest 40's at 4.85.

Difference is they are both 260 lbs while he's 240 and they're both considered very good blockers while he is not.

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692695)
You know Chase Coffmans scouting report basically says he's an average blocker from the spread that doesn't have much wiggle or shiftiness after the catch?

The 2 guys youve mentioned are less of blockers than Coffman was. Coffman isnt a bad blocker for such a tall guy, he just wasnt asked to block much in that spread. As far as his after the catch abilities... I know he was good because I watched him play the last 4 years. I dont need somebody elses report to tell me this when I know first hand he was very productive after the catch.

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692703)
He's just...so slow of the top 15 prospects he Brandon Pettigrew and Richard Quinn are the slowest 40's at 4.85.

Difference is they are both 260 lbs while he's 240 and they're both considered very good blockers while he is not.

IDK where people are getting his 40 from anyway when he wasnt even timed? He hasnt even ran a 40 since he was done at Mizzou...These guys are guessing, they dont know.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:29 PM

Yes they aren't good blockers but they have something he doesn't...elite TE speed.

Jared Cook is a nightmare to matchup with because of his speed, Coffman is slow for a TE.

So I'd pose this question, what do you do with a receiving TE who is slow?

Reaper16 04-21-2009 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692703)
He's just...so slow of the top 15 prospects he Brandon Pettigrew and Richard Quinn are the slowest 40's at 4.85.

Difference is they are both 260 lbs while he's 240 and they're both considered very good blockers while he is not.

Coffman is definitely more specialized, true. I think his 40 time is a.) not as large a concern as it might normally be because he's pretty adept at route running; I have every reason to believe that he can effectively run an NFL route, and b.) his time was probably hampered a little bit by injury.

Which obviously brings the "injury prone" concern to the table. All in all, I think that he can be a good player for some team that recognizes what he is and what he isn't. Because of that limited nature and injury concerns, though, his current ranking of around 7th at his position seems accurate.

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692707)
Yes they aren't good blockers but they have something he doesn't...elite TE speed.

Jared Cook is a nightmare to matchup with because of his speed, Coffman is slow for a TE.

So I'd pose this question, what do you do with a receiving TE who is slow?

What like Tony? Because thats exactly what he is.

If speed was all that mattered in TE's then Vernon Davis would have made a pro-bowl by now.

Reaper16 04-21-2009 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692705)
The 2 guys youve mentioned are less of blockers than Coffman was. Coffman isnt a bad blocker for such a tall guy, he just wasnt asked to block much in that spread. As far as his after the catch abilities... I know he was good because I watched him play the last 4 years. I dont need somebody elses report to tell me this when I know first hand he was very productive after the catch.

He was a beast after the catch... out of a spread offense. I'm confident that he can run NFL routes well enough to get separation, but he's going to have to prove his YAC abilities at the next level. And his jump move isn't going to cut it all the time, either.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5692710)
Coffman is definitely more specialized, true. I think his 40 time is a.) not as large a concern as it might normally be because he's pretty adept at route running; I have every reason to believe that he can effectively run an NFL route, and b.) his time was probably hampered a little bit by injury.

Which obviously brings the "injury prone" concern to the table. All in all, I think that he can be a good player for some team that recognizes what he is and what he isn't. Because of that limited nature and injury concerns, though, his current ranking of around 7th at his position seems accurate.

Sounds about right..

I admit I'm a Jared Cook fan if I wanted a TE that'd be my guy I consider him the #1 TE in the draft.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692713)
What like Tony? Because thats exactly what he is.

If speed was all that mattered in TE's then Vernon Davis would have made a pro-bowl by now.

If Tony Gonzalez ran a 4.8 he wouldn't have been a 1st round pick...

See people always go to this "speed isn't all that matters" argument but you know what? There is a giant list of guys who were great college players that were just to slow to separate at the next level so they quietly faded away.

If speed wasn't important you wouldn't see the huge value put on it. Vernon Davis has failed so far...what about all the other super athletic TE's that dominate their position?

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 11:35 PM

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heres a Coffman video for anyone who cares.

Pablo 04-21-2009 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692718)
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heres a Coffman video for anyone who cares.

That jump move is gonna get him paralyzed if he doesn't abandon it in the league.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:42 PM

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Reaper16 04-21-2009 11:42 PM

That video looks great and all (ah, memories) but he's got to find something else besides the leapfrog move to get past DBs.

Random thought, but sometimes Coffman looks a lot like Crabtree to me.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88 (Post 5692723)
That jump move is gonna get him paralyzed if he doesn't abandon it in the league.

Ha I thought the same thing, he busts that out in the NFL he'll get his block knocked off.

He's what I know he is already. He's a big kid who isn't all that fast catching and playing in space.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5692725)
That video looks great and all (ah, memories) but he's got to find something else besides the leapfrog move to get past DBs.

Random thought, but sometimes Coffman looks a lot like Crabtree to me.

It's why spread players are questionable, they're getting more space to work with then they'll ever see at the next level.

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88 (Post 5692723)
That jump move is gonna get him paralyzed if he doesn't abandon it in the league.

probably. Havent you seen Peyton Hillis use it a lot as well? It seems the white guys like to try to jump over guys a lot and get creative.

Reaper16 04-21-2009 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692728)
It's why spread players are questionable, they're getting more space to work with then they'll ever see at the next level.

Absolutely.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:46 PM

Maybe I'm weird but if I had a pick of WR and TE...I'd take Heyward-Bey and Cook over Crabtree and Coffman.

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692726)
Ha I thought the same thing, he busts that out in the NFL he'll get his block knocked off.

He's what I know he is already. He's a big kid who isn't all that fast catching and playing in space.

But you must admit he has better after the catch abilities than that report gave.


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