Another reason I think Clark was smart to hire Pioli...
 

We're relevant again.

The Cassel trade. The "name" head coach. Probably Pioli himself. It seems like everybody wants to talk about the team.

The NFL Network is providing live reports from 5 teams. 2 of them are Dallas and Denver - of course.

And we're one of them as well.

The MF'in prick is no longer the GM, he's the head coach.

Main reason is because he did it the right way, hire someone with experience from a winning organization.

At the end of the day, the only thing I care about is whether the Chiefs can build a team that can compete to play, and win, SBs.

I would still have preferred Eric DeCosta.

Pioli hawking over the O-Line in practice and being more worried about business given what he inherited than catering to the media is a God sent.

I'm happy to be a Chiefs fan, this new crew is how otter would be handling things if he were in charge.

I know, I know...

I like 'em, I like 'em a lot and our owner is the guy who made it happen. The guy at the top just set the measuring stick for who he wants under him.

No friends bullshit, no more being more worried about who's gonna kiss your ass and placate your ego and tell you "it's not your fault Carl". This is how things should be run and if it's not the 100% formula for success it's a ****ing step in the right direction. 'Yes men' are for losers, you need people who tell you what your weaknesses are and help you compensate for them.

Keep friends and business separate.

**** YOU CARL!!!!

I still can't believe it's going this way after all these years.

/thank you for the opportunity to rant

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.

But still, the Chiefs, from a PR and ECONOMIC standpoint, have been in a steady, downward spiral for a decade.

It's Pioli's job to make the football team successful. It's Clark's job to make the FRANCHISE successful, and it looks to me like he's hit a walk-off homerun with this one...

I never would have thought we'd stoop low enough to hire a DC from a Cardinals team that was fired. That's my only question mark. that and trading Gonzolez with 3 more probowl years ahead of him. I know he's at the end of his career, but so is Vrabel.

Other than that its all good.

I don't think they are mutually exclusive either.

I just liked the Ravens overall approach to building their team.

I also like the Steelers approach better.

And the thing is, how successful would that Patriot team be if they hadn't gotten lucky with a 6th round pick that they had to be talked into taking?

I have been talking about this for a while:

I mean, my friend just told me the other day that the Chiefs are his sleeper pick to surprise people. Everyone believes we're gonna be the next Falcons or Dolphins. It's sweet.

Is that luck or actual draft preparation and GREAT coaching. I mean, Brady went there when a lot of great coaches were there, ones who are all HC's now, and he had Drew Bledsoe to help him out. Plus, the Patriots seemed to have a lot better idea of what they wanted on draft day than the Chiefs.

Gonzo didn't want to be here plain and simple. His is the only Chiefs jersey I own but I understand that fact. It's too bad but as the new regime said, you gotta want to be a Chief to be here not just a good football player. He's got a couple of good years left but you could see some decline in skills. The new attitude in KC could come closer to making them a better team than anyone they pick today. Time will tell. Ability, attitude, and knowledge. Last year they had none of the above. New GM and some new coaches hopefully fix the knowledge. The new head coach is fixing the attitude. Ability takes longer but with 2 out of 3 you win more than 2 games. We have a bunch of youngsters already that might turn out pretty good, and regardless of what some say, the difference between the best and the worst player in the NFL isn't that big. You have to have the tools to get there period. It's more between the ears than it is 40 times or reps on the bench and if Haley and Pioli can get the player's heads on straight and on football and get rid of the few that they can't then they're off to a promising start.

Vrabel has 3 rings, Tony has none.

And no, that's not a knock on Tony. It's just a simple fact that he can't teach young players how to be winners, because he himself hasn't been one.

There's more to the Brady saga than just luck. That's crazy talk.

Tell that to his rabbits foot.

If you don't already have the tools to succeed, then no amount of coaching and mentoring is going to turn you into the best QB in the league.

And it's pretty well documented that the Pats QB coach had to talk BB and SP into taking Brady over Tim Rattay with that pick.

Can you expand on that?

I think anyone could have been amazing with that team. I still don't think Brady is that special.

Really?

Antwain Smith and a washed up Cory Dillon at RB.

Deion Branch and Troy Brown at reciever.

He won two SBs with marginal talent, and you think anyone could have been amazing?

No offense, but that is just ****ing stupid.

:shake: I think Brady showed his worth to that team last season.

I just think chalking the entire Brady legacy up to "luck" is selling the entire process extremely short.

It's a very jaded way to look at things. But I guess that should probably be expected from a fanbase like ours.

It was amazing how the same exact offensive line looked like absolute shit when Brady was out. Why? Because Brady is so lightning quick with his reads and he is better than anybody at spotting a blitz. QBs like Brees and Brady make their offensive lines so much better. And because Brady is arguably the best in the league at pocket awareness. It's these little things. Brady is excellent at almost every facet of the game, especially the things people pay little attention to.

What an odd concept. Hiring some one with an ascending resume. Unthinkable!

And.....Peter King is in KC this weekend :doh!:

That fugger better not jinx us.

Well in the media's eyes we were relevant with Herm if you measure it by how much the media slobbered all over his knob.

It's perfectly acceptable to be skeptical, but if the changes made to this team in the last year don't give a person reason for hope, I'd have to question my love for the game.

I'm not sure, really, how that's jaded.

Teams don't draft QBs in the sixth round with any real expectation of getting a starter, much less one of the best ever.

Um, no.

Herm was on NFL Network quite a bit, but there still wasn't the media coverage, BY ALL OUTLETS (not just NFLN) that there is now.

If they didn't see anything in him - the definition of luck - they wouldn't have drafted him at all.

There have been a lot of QBs drafted over the years in the 6th or 7th rounds.

75 or 80 in the last 20 years.

They all had something that the teams drafted saw in them, but only 3 ever actually amounted to more than scrubs, unless you want to include guys like Jeff Blake and and Rodney Peete, and a couple of others of that ilk.

But the only real success stories are Brady, Matt Hasselbeck and Marc Bulger.

If we're lucky, we might be able to add Cassel to that small group.

good lord.

Carl would have just hired another one of his cronies. Can you think of anytime he didn't? We'd have kept trying to sign free agents on the cheap hoping some of them panned out. And we would have kept the same schmucks around hoping they had another year or two left.

We all saw what the Carl Peterson culture got us. In the last 15 years - zero.

It's nice to not have a culture of failure there anymore.

Would be sweet to see Pioli draft Sanchez and deal Cassel for more picks...

Still drunk from last night, then, huh?

Would you be interested in purchasing a bridge?

good grief


:spock:

better chance of me purchasing a bridge than Cassel leading this team to a superbowl...

This

It would be sweet to draft Sanchez have him learn under Cassel for a year or two then develop into a franchise QB. Now THAT would be sweet my friend...

:clap::clap::clap:

So, rd1- QB
rd 2-QB

That would be dumb with so many needs on this team to devote the first two picks to QB's

We actually have a GM instead of a CEO. You can already see how much more concerned with player personnel Pioli is, compared to Carl.

I'm not saying there wasn't luck involved. But it takes MORE than just luck, and you know that.

I couldn't agree more, Mr. htismaqe.

Well, maybe I could if I were generally more agreeable. Or, had you also mentioned that our new leadership appears to be completely focused on instilling a winning and competitive organizational culture.

In a way, I think that's the most difficult aspect of a turnaround. Peeps sort of develop a losing attitude over time ... as if they expect to lose although they wouldn't admit it - perhaps even to themselves. In my opinion, Pioli's mere presence makes a statement that the Chiefs are going to compete and win - not to mention his attitude.

Pioli's expertise, knowledge, and experience aside, he brings cred to our shed. Both within and outside the franchise.

FAX

I understand that there is a lot research, interviews and character assessment, background checks, etc, that all had a hand in their decision to make that pick.

Clearly, they were smart enough to make that pick, at the strong behest of their QB coach, so in aspect of the process, luck isn't a factor.

There's also coaching and other factors that aren't a part of luck

However, he also clearly had questions concerning his ability, which is why he didn't go before the sixth round.

The fact that a sixth round pick did develop into a QB who, at the end of his career, will be brought into a discussion of all time greats, is lucky.

In that regard, the fact that he did develop into an all time great is lucky.