Your grade of each individual pick in our draft.
 

Here goes...

1. DE Tyson Jackson, LSU - B

I understand the Chiefs had three options: (a.) trade down when nobody wants to, (b.) take a player at good value but zero need, or (c.) make a slight reach for extreme need. The last was the best choice here, but I thought Raji would have been the better pick. Nevertheless, it's hard to complain about the best pure 3-4 DE in this Draft.

3. DE Alex Magee, Purdue - A

This was solid value for a player that will help this team out every bit that Jackson will. Magee is a very high character guy that was born with a lunchpail mentality. I hesitate to say he's the 2nd best pure 3-4 DE in this Draft, but I can't name anybody but Jackson that's obviously better. He will likely start right away.

4. CB Donald Washington, Ohio State - B

Washington was great value, and if this was anywhere near being a need for us, this is an A. Simple as that. But there were so many OL and OLB available here that would have been great picks for us it's hard for me to get that excited about him. Washington should start over Carr on day one.

5. OT Cody Brown, Missouri - F

Thank god for Oakland... otherwise this would be considered the biggest reach of the draft. In the 5th round, that's incredibly hard to do. I don't know what Pioli sees in this guy to suggest he's a powerful run-blocker that could start on this team. I personally believe, right now, this guy can't be anything more than our third RT on the depth chart.

6. WR Quinten Lawrence, McNeese State - C

Not crazy about this pick, because I think there were better weapons on the board (but don't I *always* think that?). Still, Lawrence has outstanding speed and if he adjusts pretty well this year, should get some serious playing time next year. He is an intriguing prospect, easily the most interesting of everybody on this particular board.

7. RB Javarris Williams, Tennessee State - A

This was a great, great great great pick. This guy is a poor man's LJ. Which is ironic, considering that right now LJ is a poor man's LJ. This seals the deal for Two-Sev as far as I'm concerned. See ya.

7. TBA

Seems pretty spot on to me. Cody Brown...what an abortion of a pick, when there was so much potential on the board.

First off. COLIN Brown, should be an upgrade at the RT position. Even if he can't beat Mac&Sack, he should have no trouble beating out Barry Richardson. In last years training camp, Richardson showed me why he fell to the 6th. He sucks...that's all, but pretty bad. He constantly let his guy get to the QB. I don't care if he can run block if he can't pass protect. Back to Colin...He was a basketball player who walked on to the football team, so he should be pretty athletic. On top of that, he has experience at center, left guard, left tackle, right tackle, and special teams. This should make him relevant this year. Whether he plays a lot on offense or not.

As far as Quinten Lawerence is concerned, he should come in and contribute immediately. This team was in need of a return man and they got him. Another perk is that he is a good, aggressive run blocker, and might someday contribute as a WR. We'll see about that though.

7. TE Jake O'Connell, Miami OH - D

We gave up a 7th rounder next year for a TE that doesn't block that great and catches one pass a game in college? Really?

7. K Ryan Succop, South Carolina - B

I think taking a kicker with the last pick in the draft is what I like to call a "safe risk." Succop's going to be a pretty solid special teams guy on kickoff teams, although it doesn't sound like he's worth much beyond 40. Hard to complain here.

1. D
3. F
4. B
5. F
6. B+
7. No idea, probably F

I like our first 3 picks and like the RB in the 7th.

I think the biggest need for this team was D Linemen that fit in the 3-4. Now we have to hope Glenn Dorsey can be the DT we need.

1. D
3. D
4. B
5. F
6. B-
7. C
7. F
7. F

1. B - Jackson fits a need, but was never considered a Top 5 pick by anyone...anywhere.
3. C - Magee - Not impressed with his highlights or his interviews. Seems a bit lazy in everything that I have heard. Good value, but not when we are moving Dorsey outside, and we are still hopeful of developing Turk McBride. More needs at this position in the draft.
4. C - Donald Washington - Probably in need of a nickel/dime CB, but have more pressing needs than depth. Not a starter, and probably never will be. Character issues are a concern. Good size and speed for a 4th round CB.
5. C - Cody Brown - We definitely need some OL help, but Brown will be lucky to ever make an impact. Not much upside, and was a reach in the 5th round. More depth at best.
6. B - Quinten Lawrence - Good value here. May have been a high pick if it wasn't for a broken leg his senior season. Could be an awesome kick/punt return guy, along with a gamebreaking WR threat in a pinch.
7. D - Javarris Williams - It's hard to rate a player this low in the 6th round, but how many damn RB's do we need? The level of competition at Tennessee State was a joke, and after spending a high pick on Jamaal Charles, along with LJ, Kolby Smith, and Julian Battle, RB was a need KC could have waited on.
7. F - Jake O'Connell - Why trade up for a TE in the 7th round?
7. B - Kicker - Big leg....Yada Yada Yada.

I give the Jackson pick a B-. I would have given a C minus but raise one letter grade due to the fact that he's not Curry or Monroe.

That's not actually true.

One of the guys on FSR this morning was talking about being "surprised" but then said that over the last three weeks or so they had heard several teams had moved him up into the 1st round.

I also saw that Cleveland was all over him at 5. We took him so they traded out.

1. B+
3. F
4. C
5. F
6. C
7. B+
7. F
7. C

You seem pretty excited about the Washington pick. Relatively speaking.

meaning at least several teams didn't have him rated as a first rounder 4 weeks ago? ouch? if i believed it

I must say, this is not an exciting draft for me. My hope is that it's a foundation-building draft, getting a lot of guys who will take us from Herm to solid, and then next year we add the sizzle. I'm not seeing a lot of game-changers, though.

I'm optimistic, though, because Pioli is a deity and I'm clueless.

I think New England might have had him rated as a 1st rounder all along and as the guys like Pioli, McDaniels, and Mangini got settled in their new gigs and really dug into the draft, they moved him in as well.

Classic underachiever, but it's hard to complain about a guy with his upside in the 4th.

Agree, I think that's exactly what this is. Building from the inside out, if we hadn't added some linemen a pass rusher may not have mattered. It was obvious anyone could run over us at will last season. 5 yds per carry was almost a given, some teams were getting 5 rushing first downs on 5 plays. but what a boring first day, I was sooo disappointed we couldn't trade down, not that I think the pick is terrible.

I wish it was Cody Brown.

Anyway...

1. Tyson Jackson, DE; LSU
Grade: B+
- Everyone seems to agree that this was the best 3-4 DE in the draft and we needed one. However, at the #3 spot he was generally regarded as a bit of a reach. One hopes that Jackson ends up being a clone of Richard Seymour in order to justify this high of a pick in the draft. Crabtree or Curry might have been sexier, Monroe might have provided more immediate help, but no one could argue that our defense was borderline incompetent last season. At least we didn't end up with BJ Raji.

If I was picking: Aaron Curry, LB; Wake Forest

3. Alex Magee, DT; Purdue
Grade: D-
- Completely mitigates three years of high round draft choices on the defensive line. Either our current roster is utterly devoid of talent at the D-line positions, or the current staff feels that no one other than Tank (potentially) is capable of playing in a 3-4 system. If we end up trading guys like Hali, McBride and Dorsey for appropriate picks (1st, 2nd, 1st respectively) or players that will immediately contribute, this pick might make sense, but as of right now, it is completely illogical.

If I was picking: Kraig Urbik, OG; Wisconsin

4. Donald Washington, CB; Ohio State
Grade: D
- Carr and Flowers make this a borderline bad pick just for depth purposes. An offensive lineman (Jon Luigs, Troy Kropog) or a quality wide receiver (Austin Collie or Mike Thomas) would have been a much more understandable and justified pick.

If I was picking: Austin Collie, WR; BYU

5. Colin Brown, OT; Missouri
Grade: F
- Wow. Just wow. Might end up a Pro Bowler, but wouldn't a seventh round pick or a free agent contract been a bit more appropriate, especially considering how many quality, higher regarded offensive line prospects were still on the board? Guys like Duke Robinson, Jamon Meredith and

My pick: Fenuki Tupou, OT; Oregon

6. Quinten Lawrence, WR; McNeese State B-
Grade: C
- Special teamer with speed.

My pick: Darry Beckwith, ILB; LSU

7. Javarris Williams, RB; Tennessee State
Grade: B+
- I like this pick. Guy has good speed, is big in a squatty sort of way, nice hands. Will be a good special teams player and might make his way onto the roster as a Kimble Anders type fullback/H-back type of player.

My pick: I concur with this pick, and mentioned Williams as a potential in one of my mocks.

7. Jake O'Connell, TE; Miami-Ohio
Grade: C
- Seems to be very athletic with really good combine/pro day type numbers. (4.66 in the 40, 28 reps on the bench and a 41 inch vertical) In the seventh, I don't mind taking a high level athlete as a potential special teams guy who can make a push for a tight end spot.

My pick: Ray Feinga, OG; BYU

7. Ryan Succop, K; South Carolina
Grade: B-
- Need help in the kicking game, and picking a kicker here isn't a bad thing. Was pretty consistent prior to the injury in his senior season on both kicks and punts. Not as accurate/clutch as someone like Sakoda, but seems like an okay pick.

My pick: Louie Sakoda, K/P; Utah

The cornerback pick was the only one that really surprised me.

I thought we were set with Mo' Leggett & the two Brandon's. We just picked up Travis Daniels too. Counting Ricardo that's 6, 7 if you count Quentin.

Apparently the staff is happy with the safety & offensive lineman play?

A

Tyson Jackson - B

Alex Magee - B-

Donald Washington - C+

Colin Brown - C-

Quintin(sp?) Lawrence - B+

Javarris Williams - B

Jake O'Connell - D-

Ryan Succop - B+

1. DE Tyson Jackson, LSU Grade: C-

My pick: Mark Sanchez, QB

2. Matt Cassell/Mike Vrabel Grade: C

My pick: Max Unger, C

3. Alex Magee, DT; Purdue Grade: D-

My pick: Kraig Urbick, OT

4. Donald Washington, CB; Ohio State Grade: F-

My pick: Louis Murphy, WR

5. Colin Brown, OT; Missouri Grade: F-

My pick: Cornelius Ingram, TE Florida

6. Quinten Lawrence, WR; McNeese State Grade: C+

My pick: Kevin Ellison, S USC

7a. Javarris Williams, RB; Tennessee State Grade: B+

My pick: Javarris Williams

7b. Jake O'Connell, TE; Miami-Ohio Grade: C-

My pick: Lance Louis, G San Diego State

7c. Ryan Succop, K South Carolina Grade: B+

My pick: Ryan Succop

First of all, any and all of you who don't know that we drafted COLIN Brown in the fifth instead of Cody Brown, you obviously have NO BASIS to form an opinion because you don't even know who was picked. Second, how many of you have actually seen Brown play? Dude is one big, strong hombre, and when you're looking for a really big guy with good feet and long arms, that's a pretty nice selection.

...oh, I get it. He was supposed to go in the 7th round, right? Well, then yes...he's obviously worthless then. You're right, Pioli's wrong.

Ask Gary Pinkel what he thinks of Colin Brown some time? This is a very high character kid and he will help this team.

C-. Each pick is a C-.

Did you watch the Senior Bowl? How about LSU?

For my money, I'm taking Herman Johnson if I'm going for a super-sized tackle/guard. Not a guy who played various positions along the offensive line in the "Spread".

1. DE Tyson Jackson, LSU - B - Hope he does well

3. DE Alex Magee, Purdue - B -Hope he does well

4. CB Donald Washington, Ohio State - B- - Hope he does well

5. OT Colin Brown, Missouri - F - WTF

6. WR Quinten Lawrence, McNeese State - C- - Hopefully he can be a good KR.

7. RB Javarris Williams, Tennessee State - B - Great physique. Hope he does well.

7. TE Jake O'Connell, Miami OH - F - WTF

7. K Ryan Succop, South Carolina - F - Irrelevant

1. DE Tyson Jackson, LSU - D

You'll never convince me that a 5 technique is worth the 3rd overall pick. If you're going to reach, at least take a guy at an impact position like Raji.



3. DE Alex Magee, Purdue - C

Again, a pick that was forced by Pioli and Company changing schemes, regardless of the fact that none of our young talent fits said scheme.



4. CB Donald Washington, Ohio State - B-

Didn't really need a CB, but at least was decent value. Lawrence Sidbury would have been just as good a value, and at a position of desperate need. There's no one on this roster that can rush the passer.



5. OT Colin Brown, Missouri - F

Passing on Jamon Meridith, Fenuki Topou and Xavier Fulton for this guy? Incomprehensible.



6. WR Quinten Lawrence, McNeese State - B

Probably our best value pick - should be our return man on opening day.



7. RB Javarris Williams, Tennessee State - D

If you feel the need for a RB, how do you pass on Rashad Jennings?



7. TE Jake O'Connell, Miami OH - F

Not only do you take ANOTHER TE, you spend a 2010 pick to do it - passing on guys like Dannell Ellerbe and Trevor Canfield in the process - both positions of great need.



7. K Ryan Succop, South Carolina - F

Mr. Irrelevant really lived up to his name this year.

Never fails.

Every year some draft genius on a message board touts a player to be the next big thing and he famously flames out in the NFL.

Every year some draft genius on a message board swears another player was a reach and is sure to bust...and that player goes on to be a stalwart for his franchise.

I choose to take the "wait and see" approach.
There's something ridiculous about sealing the fate of newly drafted players who've never taken the field.

Jesus tits people.

I'd love to know just when the Chiefs drafted Cody Brown.

Hey, I corrected it in my analysis!

A+ for me.

That's what I get for cutting/pasting someone else's post with my own takes added to it.

ROFL

1 c-
3 D
4 B
5 F
6 C
7 C
7 F
7 D

1 C-
4 B-
6 B-
7 C-

The rest of the picks are F's.

1. C- (I understand the pick in light of Pioli forcing the 3-4, but a 5 tech should still never go #3 overall. The grade is not a reflection of the player, but the value of the pic and I think the grade is actually generous.)

3. D+ (I don't think that Magee is a slouch by any means. What drags this grade down is the fact that a better prospect for that position imo was available and passed on. Also, this draft was super-rich in WR and especially OL, yet defense is the priority?)

4. B- (This is a good value pick -- finally -- with a lot of upside. There were positions of need that could have been addressed here with a pick that had even more value, however, and thats what brings this one down a little bit.)

5. F (What. the. ****. happened? Pioli finally gets around to addessing OL and reeeeeaches for a borderline UDFA?)

6. C+ (He's fast as hell, should be good in the return game. Maybe he can be coached up into a decent 4th WR? Upside.)

7a. C (He's an okay RB. But there were better RB on the board, I felt)

7b. F (We trade up to draft some... thing. What position is this guy going to play? How can we use a TE that doesn't recieve and doesn't block? What?)

7c. D (Kicker. I'm taking a wait-and-see approach with this one. He gets a fair amount of touchbacks. But there were players with realistic upside at positions of need that could have been taken here)

A bit of analysis by a quality talent evaluator:

http://www.indystar.com/article/2009...44/1004/SPORTS

I don't know that it will alter opinions, but it's information.

what did you think about them passing on your boy Jared Cook in the 3rd round?

I was really hoping they would take Micheal Johnson with the 3rd round pick. I couldn't believe he was still there in the 3rd.

If 3 weeks ago people were told KC is going to walk out of the 1st and 3rd round with Jackson and Magee and nothing else, no picks this year, no picks next year, everybody would have universally graded the draft as an F.

Hats off to Gil Brandt for breaking the story on Jackson as he did Pioli a PR favor by leaking the pick. A good number of people rationalized the draft pick by draft day.

For once, you and I are in TOTAL agreement.

Rep.

That's not even considering the choice of a CB in the 4th round.

yeah. you're right. this draft really sucks. So much for Pioli being a draft guru. I can't wait to see what our depth chart looks like.

Your rationalizing the draft because of Pioli. That's fine. The guy certainly knows more football than the entire board put together. It doesn't change the fact that fans are entitled to their opinions on the draft. It also doesn't change the fact that if anybody named KC's first 3 draft picks weeks ago, NOBODY would have supported the picks.

If Carl Peterson had produced this draft, this place would be at DefCon 5.

You're a smart man. Good way of thinking.

Yes, everybody IS entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. Most of the comments I've read ripping this draft have very little support. People are just angry for the most part.

Which comments?

That spending the 3rd overall pick on a 5-technique is terrible value?

That ignoring our 2 biggest needs (OL and LB) when there was tremendous value at those positions was a huge mistake?

That had Carl Peterson been responsible for this draft, people would be going full-blown apeshit - but because Pioli was responsible everything is A-OK?

I said:

You said:

How did you come up with me rationalizing the draft? I really don't like what we did. I DON'T LIKE IT!

I wasn't necessarily referring to you, OTW, but let's address your points one by one:

1. Your comment about the five technique is bogus. If you're going to a 3-4, you HAVE to have THAT guy, and hopefully two of them. Denver was waiting for this guy, so were several other teams, or so we're told. There was no trading down and getting him, and Pioli thinks he has the stuff to be his Richard Seymour in time. As Pioli put it, until Seymour became the great player he became, their 3-4 wasn't very good.

2. I agree that the OL is the biggest need, but LB wasn't. I would have loved to have a dominant left tackle out of this draft, but until KC can stop anybody, the defense has to be addressed. You can't plug all the holes at once. Our LBers aren't great, but we have bigger areas of need.

3. Pioli has earned the slack...Carl proved that he didn't know what he was doing.

You could always root for Seattle.

The 5 technique is much like the RT position - yeah, you need one, but it's not a position worthy of such a high pick. You'll get the same results out of a guy like Jarron Gilbert, 90 picks later. (A guy that will take up space and allow your LB's to make plays) Now, if we were playing a 4-3, and Jackson was expected to rush the passer, I'd be more in tune with the pick because he's expected to make an IMPACT. (Even though I don't think he fits as a 4-3 DE)

LB is a HUGE need. We have NO ONE to rush the passer. And FWIW, we already have a dominant LT - I was referring to guys like Luigs, Topou, Slauson and Jamon Meridith being passed over for guys like O'Connell and Brown.


He earned it in NEW ENGLAND. With Belichick and Demitroff at his side. He's earned nothing with the Kansas City Chiefs to this point. Forgive me for not thinking highly of this draft for no other reason than who was responsible for it.

Hate it all you want, OTW...however, you are dead wrong on your assessment of the value of great five techs in a 3-4.

We do need off-the-corner pressure...yes, I couldn't agree more. Who was that person in the draft and who was going to protect that guy from the five tech? The fact is that you can't just find any tomato can to play that position. Could you get lucky down in the middle rounds? Yes, you could at any position. However, the odds are against you.

I don't think this is the best draft by a long shot, but I think Pioli put some key guys in place.

I do know this, if you can't stop the other team, the rest of it really doesn't matter. We found that out pretty clearly last year. As bad as our o-line was, KC COULD score out of that hybrid spread. We couldn't stop anybody. The defense is job #1 right now.

Let's see how things look in a month or two...more moves are coming.

Richard Seymour was/is a "great" 5-technique DE.

He might be the only one. The point is twofold:

1) You don't need great at that position. Solid accomplishes the same job - occupying blockers.

2) Tyson Jackson is no Richard Seymour.

Pioli has said nothing of the sort. He was asked point blank whether Tyson compares to Seymour and Pioli didn't think so, choosing oddly to compare him to Russell Maryland instead.

Richard Seymour wasn't RICHARD SEYMOUR for about the first 2-3 years he was in the NFL. That's not an opinion...that's a fact.

You don't have to be great at any position, I suppose. However, you have to do quite a bit more than "occupying blockers" to be a great five tech. Your fives are the key defenders in defending the running game, as well as being the guy to attack the B gaps while the speed rushers come around the end.

The Chiefs see Jackson as a three down guy, who can play the five and also flip inside on certain passing downs. IF they are right, that's a very valuable commodity.

There are a lot of teams switching to the 3-4 now, but there haven't been many 3-4 teams in recent years. Seymour is the best, but there aren't that many out there to compare him too right now.

Jackson may not end up being another Seymour, or he could be better. You don't know how it's going to work out and neither do I. I never claimed he was that good, but I think he has a shot at being that good. You, on the other hand, don't allow for the possibility.

Reaper, I heard what he said and he came right out and said that he won't compare Jackson to Seymour for a variety of reasons. However, let's think about this for a second...he's not going to take a guy like Jackson at #3 if he doesn't think that he could become as good as Seymour did in time. Right? It just makes sense.

I didn't think he compared him to Maryland. I think he used Maryland as an example of the importance of the position.

I'd like to think that he wouldn't. But after this draft's purposeful ignorance of draft value, I don't see why he would take value into consideration at #3 but not anywhere else.

I think Tyson is going to be a good player in the scheme and a key cog for the Chiefs defense... but I see him as a Ty Warren-type, not a Richard Seymour-type. I would spend the #3 overall (in the 2009 draft) for Seymour, but not for Warren.

Actually, I believe Pioli said that somebody else compared him to Maryland in a conversation between that person and Pioli.

How does one earn an F- ?

Just an observation, but not drafting Sanchez may give you a head start.

“I had an interesting conversation this week with Coach (Jimmy) Johnson. We were talking about defensive linemen, and I’m NOT comparing him to this player I’m about to speak about. I remember Coach Johnson a long time ago in conversations Bill and I had had with him and in separate conversations about Russell Maryland. That year they were due to pick the fourth spot overall and they traded up from four to one to get Russell Maryland, a player who played in the league for 10 years, had only 24 and a half sacks over the course of his career and only went to one Pro Bowl. But Coach Johnson talked about the importance of Russell Maryland – again, different positions – how he allowed him to play the defense they wanted to play and what an important component he was even though he didn’t rack up sacks or only went to one Pro Bowl. What he was as a player in a very key position allowed the defense to be what the defense was.

Just like a D- is a low D (say 61% instead of 69%), an F- is a low F (say 10% instead of 59%).

No matter how you slice it, we still aren't going to have a pass rush and I just don't get that. I have no idea how a GM can look at a team that set a record for the lowest sack total in league history and not upgrade the pass rush. Taking Jackson in the first, fine. But to pass on every other pass rusher in the draft....:shake:

Oh? And what pass rushers were there that the Chiefs could get?

Sidbury in the 4th would have worked for me.

I would gues they think the changes they've made are going to improve the pass rush. DJ will be in a completely different position, as will Hali.

And understand that, to a certain extent, the focus of the ENTIRE defensive line is changing.

Banking on a 4th rounder to make a significant difference is basically the same as hoping the guys we already have can improve.

I was just answering Reaper's question. It doesn't bother me that we didn't get Sidbury. I like Washington's athleticism and potential.

All A's for me.

Pioli and Haley rock.

I cant believe we didn't draft Duke Robinson

I'm guessing you'd have picked him in the second round.

Wouldn't the fact that Dannell Ellerbe went undrafted make this irrelevant?

I'm pretty sure EVERY draft fanboy on this site would have picked him in the third when we actually had a pick.

Duke Robinson?

I don't think so. At least not me, Mecca, Milkman, Hamas and most of the other guys. There were much better offensive lineman and of course, they all went before Robinson.

Why do I keep seeing people suggesting we should have drafted Jamon Meredith the scouting report for him reads basically word for word as the one on Barry Richardson. Lacks motivation, lacks a mean streak.

I can't speak for many of the guys you listed, but Mecca said Robinson would be great value in the third.

I'm the only guy here who liked our 5th round pick aren't I?

Prove it

This post from the start of round 3 good enough?

Actually, Mecca was bitching when the Bills took Levitre over Robinson in the 2nd round.

Oops.

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