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Our season and future is doomed! OTWP told me so!
(https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=206821)
Our season and future is doomed! OTWP told me so!
According to our expert OTWP, Tyson Jackson has absolutely no chance to play at a Richard Seymour level, ever, and our 3rd round pick shouldn't even be on an NFL roster...totally wasted pick.
He didn't even charge me $109 for this information... This sucks, though...I was hoping I could watch them and form my own opinion but he assures me, and the rest of you, that these guys are scrubs and that Pioli still disciplines his children by hitting them, which is wrong. Tough weekend for Chiefs fans =( Hasn't Pioli ever thought of a timeout? There are more constructive ways to discipline children...hitting them these days can cause long term emotional damage IMO. Jeez. |
What's your opinion of these players?
You don't know, right, because you don't watch much college football... So let's call out a poster who 1.) does have some knowledge of the players because he's seen them play and 2.) isn't drinking the Pioli Kool-Aid. The "I trust Pioli unconditionally" line is already worn out. Critical thinking is based on healthy skepticism. |
Yep....because this needed it's own thread.
Don't you have your OWN attention whore thread to post in? |
Riddle me this...
Lets say the Chiefs hired Chris Polian... Lets say he passed on Mark Sanchez. I guarantee these douche idiots would be pining for Scott Pioli. The fact is, these know-it-alls just love to strut around jerkin' one another and ruining the entire mood of the board with there no-matter-what pessimistic attitudes. It's ****ing annoying. Hamas struck out Pioli 15 times in his first month on the job. It's ridiculous. Tell me that it isn't ridiculous. Just do it. Please. |
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I don't agree that it's always pessimism.
Has there been hyperbole? Of course. Par for the course when dealing with fans. Thus the ****ing term "fans." The same can be said for the other side, though. |
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Because the last 10 years of my life it has been "damnit, Carl!" and now, when Clark FINALLY tries to right all of the wrongs...all we hear is "damnit, Scott!" It's ****ing stupid... |
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With so much horridlyinappropriate/stupid/off the wall bullshit that gets posted here (a lot of it by you), you choose to say that THIS is rediculous? Wow. Just wow. Posted via Mobile Device |
Proud to be posting in a Hootie thread.
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Fact is, some of the NE drafts were absolutely ****ing terrible. Terrible. Look at the Tom Brady year, for example. They struck an unbelievable amount of gold in round 6, or otherwise that entire thing is Carl-worthy. Clark is off the hook for now, as far as I'm concerned, because he went out and tried to get the best person. Great, and I'm eager to see the product that gets put on the field. But I'm not going to be a blind follower when decisions are being made right now that are going to shape the face of this franchise for years to come. The Cassel-Sanchez decision is so big, for example, that it's obviously going to be polarizing. |
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OTWP died for your sins so you could make mock drafts. |
Classic dumbassery.
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Go Pioli! |
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Some people aren't happy unless they have something to be angry and complain about.
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See weekend of April 25-26 on Chiefs Planet Posted via Mobile Device |
This entire board is based on the principle of argument, in an academic sense, of course.
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Frankly, it's so time consuming and financially costly, that it's understandable. |
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I like this site because I can post stupid NFT and get chastised for being a total dumbass by everyone on the board...that's fun offseason stuff... But when I actually talk Chiefs (which is why I'm here in the first place), it's annoying to see every topic turn into a gigantic shitstorm of negativity by these 4 people...that's all that ever happens. I say... "Gee, maybe the Chiefs will win some games this year!" They say... "You ****ing "true fan" we won't win more than 2 games again dumbass blah blah blah look at the schedule blah blah blah BB isn't our coach blah blah blah Dimitri isn't the GM blah blah blah!" WE GET IT... |
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I used to come here ONLY to post about the Chiefs...now I come here mostly to participate in NFT because the Chiefs shit is a broken record now. I have more fun in Royals threads than anything Chiefs related...at least we get a little optimism in those things...until they bring in Farnsworth. |
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Virtually everyone on this board, is at some different level of obsession, with this team. Then, you combine that with the varying degree of actual football knowledge and you are going to have these issues. To me, it is entertainment, and these issues are part of the entertainment. |
Hootie is on the case!
Solving the Planet's problems and settling the shitstorms. Thank God you got to the bottom of this plague, Hootie. |
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Jesus Christ you ****ing suck. It's people like you that inspire bi-state killing sprees. |
Who cares what a 21 year old punk ass kid thinks about football? Like he knows anymore than anyone else does. I took a shit this morning that contained as much football viewing experience, and knowledge. People would bitch if you hung them with a brand new rope. **** em.
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Poor Hootie! Oh Woe Is Hootie! STFU! |
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Hamas, I like the guy in NFT, he's a smart dude and cracks me up...but deep down he must be a pretty insecure guy...he doesn't like it when he's made fun of...which is why he disappeared for a week when everyone linked him with Matrix earlier this year. |
Without fail, I find myself more annoyed by people whining about other posters than I do the posters in question themselves.
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I started to refrain from discussions because of being jumped at and called "Dumbass" "Idiot" "True fan". etc
I ignore what I don't like and rep those who make valid points. Discussions that involve respecting both parties, include a lot of interesting information, and are enjoyable to read are becoming rare in here. |
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I'm sorry, what was that Hymen? I can't hear you as you are on ignore. You don't exist.
Ain't that awesome? |
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If you think they are idiots, let them keep proving it with their posts instead of turning them into a cause. |
Meh, we're long overdue for a bitchfest around here if you ask me. It was inevitible.
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P.S - Let's hook up this week and make out Hootie.
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(Hootie): Well, that's strike # from Hamas. Now, repeat 500 times. |
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What I find annoying are the posters who whine about other posters who whine about other posters. That drives me nuts. |
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Those dudes suck. |
Did they get out to you today?
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I'll tell you what's really wrong with this ****ing place, and that's Demonpenz.
If he'd show up and illustrate more frequently, a lot of these problems could be resolved. |
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Like a cross between Van Gogh and Henry Kissinger. |
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To be fair to OTW, Mecca, and Hamas, they have been 100% consistent from day one.
But these complaints were coming from them no matter what they did. The second Pioli traded away the 2nd rounder, their opinion of Pioli only came in shades of red. There is simply nothing the Chiefs could have done with their first two picks that would have improved our front seven MORE than what they did with Jackson and Magee, players that will both start and anchor opposite ends of the DL for as long as they're here. We grabbed the two best pure 3-4 DEs in this draft. Their counter to that is not disagreement, necessarily, but that instead we should have gone with the "depth" in the draft on offense, especially OL. That's a fair take, but having warm bodies in our 3-4 DL was necessary, and not only did we get them, we got the best two in the draft. That's my take. Obviously, it's Pioli's. |
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I knew we wouldn't select Curry and that we wouldn't go OT at #3, so I thought Raji was a likely choice, with Crabtree a possibility. Obviously, Pioli and co. didn't have Raji rated as highly, though, so the positional value argument falls flat... |
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People will need to get used to the fact Pioli isn't going to take players that have these kind of issues regardless of talent. |
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Comical. Not only have I never uttered the words in the thread title, I never once said that Magee doesn't belong on a NFL roster. However, IMO (which is the entire point of this place last I checked - people voicing opinions) Jackson will not play to the level of his draft position, which would be equal to or better than Richard Seymour. Apparently Pioli agrees, as several posters have claimed Pioli said he doesn't see Jackson as a Seymour type. Regarding Magee, I do feel it was a wasted pick - especially when guys like Michael Johnson, Antoine Caldwell, Kraig Urbik, Brandon Tate and Jason Williams were still on the board. I've posted what I would have done several times, with no response. Not a single person willing to make an argument other than "Pioli is a GM, you're not." I'll give it one more shot: 1) BJ Raji 3) Jarron Gilbert 4) Lawrence Sidbury 5) Jamon Meridith 6) Matt Slauson 7) AQ Shipley 7) Dannell Ellerbe That gives us a NT, 5 technique, pass rusher, starting RT, developmental depth at guard, a possible starter at center and a developmental ILB that according to all scouting reports has a very good chance of being a solid starter in this league. And we keep our 2010 7th round pick. Hell, even if you want to argue that Raji has character issues, put any other player at #3 overall, and keep the rest of my draft. There's value at every pick, and every pick fills a desperate need. |
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Saying it sounds nice, though. Same thing as, "We want strong, fast, tough, intelligent football players." Well no ****ing shit. You don't covet the weak, slow, pussy, stupid ones? Sure glad we're looking past those guys. |
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I was going to amend my last sentence by saying once we get the team up and making the playoffs\sb runs then I would imagine they would take more gambles on players with questionable character issues. |
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I want no part of BJ Raji at #3 overall. The rest of the draft really doesn't make much difference to me - every single one of those guys has question marks. |
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Once it's up and running, though, all bets are off. But if I never hear that "big, tough, fast, etc." line used again, either by someone in the organization or by a poster on here (who is not mocking it, obviously!), I'll be happy. |
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Sorry, I'm looking at value, upside and need. The only pick over the weekend that met those 3 criteria IMO was the WR out of McNeese State. But hey, we can't control it, so why debate it? Might as well shut the board down and save Kyle some money. |
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That said, I have no problem with getting this guy over Washington. Seems like it would have been the better deal. Quote:
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I don't know, I like Shipley, but I don't think he can help us as much as Williams could, who was insane value in the 7th round. This is another player with upside and he makes LJ expendable. I think Shipley could make sense here, though. Certainly more than O'Connell... Quote:
I actually wanted us to draft a kicker, but I wanted Jose Martinez from UTEP. But I just learned today that he tested positive, so what do I know. |
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If you want to share your thoughts on any of those, by the way, feel free to continue the conversation. |
Please continue the conversation. I love reading a couple of smart, rational people.
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You're a stupid, ****ing **** of a person. You start threads about other posters, never add ANY insight about football and you're just basically a drain on the forum. Personally, I'm done with you and your ****ing bullshit, especially when you call out the very few people on this forum that discuss FOOTBALL day in and day out. They don't discuss date raping, peeing on and touching their roommates weiners, and don't engage in deviant behavior. You're a stupid, sick **** and now, you're going on Ignore. First time ever that I've put someone on ignore in 9 years but quite frankly, you're ruining this forum by calling out people for discussing football. You're history. |
That all said, by the way, if Pioli gets what's-his-taint from Arizona for a 2nd and a 4th, I will hump the shit out of his leg.
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Well it's hard to argue with any of that. I'm racking my brain trying to predict to how Hootie will react. I'm taking bets for "more of the same," folks. 2 to 1. |
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Now that I may pay $109 to see LMAO |
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And I'm looking at value and upside as well. But when it comes to NEED, the only people that know what we need work at 1 Arrowhead. They didn't pick guys that I thought we should, but obviously those guys think we have different needs than I do. I'm not suggesting we don't discuss it at all. No need to even go down that road. |
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Unfortunately (maybe fortunately, I was at a Royals game Saturday, and driving back to BFE Sunday. I'm not as worked up as you, but I am in the ":spock: I hope they know wtf they are doing." Posted via Mobile Device |
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Raji/Jackson: I don't see it as positional quibbling at all. NT is way more important than a 5 technique - and I think going to the well twice in our first 2 picks speaks volumes about what they think Dorsey and McBride can or cannot do. Magee/Gilbert: Just a personal preference on my part, nothing more. I think Gilbert has more upside than Magee, I'm concerned Magee has already maxed out - which seems to be the case with several of the DL we've picked recently. We're on the same page regarding Sidbury and Meridith. Slauson: Honestly, he was a throw in. If you've read anything of mine over the past 24 hours, you'd see that I think Lawrence might have been our best pick of the weekend. I'll admit I put Slauson in to make the point that we have no developmental OL on this roster with the exception of Herb Taylor. Shipley: I fully expected Pioli to jump on this guy in the early 7th. If you've read Patriot Reign, he talks about how no one looked twice at Dan Koppen because he had short arms and average measurables. Pioli overlooked that, and Koppen has been a fixture on the OL. Thought Shipley could do the same, and I think he will eventually for Pittsburgh. Ellerbe: He'll end up being a damn solid player for Baltimore. Meanwhile, we spent a draft pick on competition for Barth, which could have been accomplished in FA. And trading a future pick to take a 7th round TE? That makes absolutely no sense. But hey, I don't work for a NFL franchise, so my opinion is invalid according to some around here. |
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1) I don't see a 2-gap NT as being worth a #3 overall. Nor do I see a 2-gap DE as being worth a #3 overall. 2) Raji had lots of red flags around his character. With those in mind, I take Jackson. Quote:
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He'll end up being a damn solid player for Baltimore. Meanwhile, we spent a draft pick on competition for Barth, which could have been accomplished in FA. And trading a future pick to take a 7th round TE? That makes absolutely no sense. I would have loved to see Ellerbe here. I just don't understand taking a kicker. Also what is it with this team and taking TE's in the 7th? Maybe Clark has a thing for them or something. |
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