Warren Sapp on Dorsey and LJ (NFL.com chat)
 

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Kevin , Springfield MO 04:48 PM ET
Hey Warren, Was it hard for you to transition from a four man front in Tampa to a 3 man front in Oakland? Do you think Glenn Dorsey can do it in K.C.?

Warren Sapp, NFL Network
Glenn Dorsey's in trouble and so is Kansas City for trying to force him. Thank God I only had to do it for 16 games. It's not hard, it just takes away all the advantages you possess. Being fast, quick, agile in the 4-3. The 3-4 doesn't allow your talents to come out.

Joey, Kansas City, MO 05:30 PM ET
Your Opinion on Larry Johnson and how he will do this year and why??

Warren Sapp, NFL Network
I think if Larry Johnson takes in some good quality offseason work, I think he can get 1,700-1,800 yards and double-digit touchdowns. He's a nightmare to tackle.

I never really cared for much for Sapp while he was playing.

Some of the stuff he has said on NFLN since he has retired I agreed with, some of it I thought was way off base.

Not sure here if his comment about Dorsey is him thinking they are playing him at DT or DE???

Ooh, thanks for the LJ quote, Warren. Adding it to my file!

In a 3-4 regardless end or tackle he's going to be asked to tie up blockers more so than penetrate into the backfield with quickness.

Yeah 3-4 DEs never penetrate into the backfield with quickness.

I suppose its a good thing for opposing defenders that LJ prefers to run into a pile and fall down as opposed to being tackled.

Agreed. I was really hoping Dorsey would get traded, but realistically given his contract, I don't think the Chiefs can. I agree with the move to a 3-4, but the unfortunate reality is that fitting Dorsey into it is like fitting a square peg in a round hole.

Are you being sarcastic with me like I think you are...if so point to me the team that uses it's 3-4 lineman to create pressure and not eat up the blockers.

exactly.


oh, sorry...


This.

Seymour has two 8 sack seasons.

I'd guess he's buying the "Dorsey at NT" BS....you are hearing. I'm not saying it won't happen---but he better put on 30 lbs or so, with no loss of his "skill set"....or this will be a short-lived experiment. At DE...with the other personnel we have, he could pull it off in a 3-4 IMHO. But there are plenty here, who think he's too short/too short of arms to play DE.

Guess we'll see in a couple of months. :hmmm:

I can show you a couple 3-4 teams that have DLmen who penetrate quite a bit.

He's not. He's comparing himself to Dorsey. Sapp played 3-4 DE for a season in Oakland, and horribly sucked at it.

And who here thinks that Dorsey will ever sniff that? A 3-4 end getting sacks is a rarity, that's the simple point I was making.

Well? We're waiting...

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Ok Jay Ratliff gets in the backfield as a NT in a 3-4...Seymour gets some sacks and then it's like uhh.

And honestly how many of Seymour's sacks come when NE goes to 4 down?

If you have your front 3 try to penetrate when you're in the actual 3-4 look your linebackers are going to get demolished.

Esto.

Welcome back, BTW.

Dorsey will have to bulk up to play NT .. LJ has to have blockin' to make big yardage ...

The Patriots also play a lot of 4-3.

Dallas plays a 1-gap 3-4.

And the only one that gets in the backfield with any regularity is Ratliff, no one sees guys like Spears or Canty getting sacks. DeMarcus Ware was the one racking up the numbers.

They don't get in the backfield because they're not that great at it.

They have a 1-gap assignment, which means it's NOT their job to tie up blockers. You said to show you a team that doesn't use it's 3-4 linemen to tie up blockers and I just did.

No, they don't. They are generally a 3-4 team on obvious running downs and they'll use a lot of nickel on other downs. They do use the 4-3, but it's not as if it's a mainstay. The team is a base 3-4, 2 gap, team. On passing downs, Seymour gets after the QB, that's all.

Yes they do. Our new coach says that Denver will be switching using a lot of the 3-4 and the 4-3 because New England had a lot of success with it.

Your new coach has Denver switching to a 3-4. He's going to use the 4-3 because your defensive front sucks and he'll need to cover for its problems if it can't stop the run with the guys being conscripted to play the NT. New England is multiple with its defensive fronts, but it's just as likely to go with the "big nickel" as it is to go 4-3. Hell, there are times when they've gone with just 1 or 2 D-linemen, for that matter.

Didn't New England run the 4-3 exclusively Beli-cheat's first 3 or 4 years in NE?

New England actually tried running the 3-4 early on, but the team didn't have a NT that could get the job done. They had to wait for Ted Washington to become available. If you want to see Patriots fans wince, ask them about the Steve Martin experiment. In the 3-4, you really need to have a quality NT, or you're probably going to get run on all day long. It's why both the Broncos and Chiefs could still look terrible even if most of their moves on the defenses pan out.

just because Sapp wasnt good at it doesnt mean gleen wont as well. all the Dorsey haters better give the man credit when hes proves you guys wrong :clap:

Why does the GM get to pick the scheme? Shouldn't that be the Head Coach's call?

"You get me the talent, I make it all happen"?

I see by your avatar that Knowshon is an LJ fanboy. How cute.:evil:

Canty must be good at something since the Giants gave him a $7 million per year deal.

Canty will probably see time at DT in NY but with a draft pick of Sintim..and some of their other moves the Giants can give 3-4 looks now.

EVEN IF Dorsey plays the majority of time in the 3-4 and just ties up blockers, if he can penetrate and use his skills on the rare 4-3 switch . . . what's the problem, exactly?

I'm sure the head coach wants to run the same scheme as the GM. After all, the GM gets to pick the coach, too.

I foresee Dorsey playing end on regular downs, and NT on obvious passing downs with Magee coming in to play end.

Who is a Dorsey hater?

Better watch it or I'll spit a drink in your face

Your green dots say you are "almost as cool as Mecca" :spock: I would think it would say "behold I am Mecca" or something along those lines.....anyway carry on

They already said Magee would be sliding inside on passing downs. Remember, he was a 4-3 DT in college, just like Dorsey.

People should differentiate what 3-4 scheme they're referring to. There is basically a Philips 3-4 and Parcells 3-4. Parcells and Bellichiks are 2 gap, Phillips is a lot more 1-gap. Seymour got 8 sacks playing a 2 gap D, which is a rarity.

The one we're evolving to is most likely the 2 gap variety like Parcells and Bellichiks.

Should be interesting to see what our 4-3 pass rush package might be. Magee, Jackson, Hali and Johnston?

They've already said Dorsey isn't starting.

Why do you have a picture of Jason Whitlock in your sig??

The better question is why don't you?

ROFL not a big fan of him

provide a link when they stated that?

I can't provide a link to a time. Only websites.

I apologize for confusing semantics, but the point still stands

Haley said it in a press conference.

link, because I don't remember him versing that.

KcChiefs.com

Wow. That makes more sense than anything anyone else has written in this thread. Has this not been adressed?
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What is the date of the press conference?.. you don't expect us to go through every one do you

You expect me to?

Are you back in lust with LJ AGAIN?!!

We're talking about a society that drives three blocks just to go to the corner store and buy a ****ing candy bar; what else do you expect?:D:D:D

Moreno is. He even adopted #27, so strong is the guy love.:D

I have never strayed from my love.

Over the years I have built up an EPIC file of quotes related solely to Larry Johnson. People talking about him, how awesome he is, how unstoppable he is, etc etc etc.

Someday it will all be put to use. Of the most glorious kind.

ROFL

Bitch slappin' ALL THE WAY TO THE 'SHIP!

This is the best part:

I could have sworn you had a bitter divorce with LJ. I'm too lazy to go hunt down your related anti-LJ posts, but I'm pretty sure you had a bunch.

Nope.

Maybe he'll get his mojo back.

OK, again I'm too lazy for this, but the first 5 disparaging quotes from Claythan about LJ fished out by any poster will earn them a nice juicy rep. I'm pretty sure I've seen them.

You're dreaming. Not gonna' find, did not happen.

One time I said I was disappointed in him. That's about the worst thing I've ever said.

Ooooookay. The offer still stands tho.

It will be a happy day when thug pampers LJ is not a Chief anymore.

LJ is NOT Jim Brown-LJ ran angry because he wanted a new contract period. He has not done shit since-often times running out of bounds.

Holmes was a much better runner, and for being Lots smaller than LJ-a better blocker too.

LJ has no heart at all-the only fire he has is directed at drunk ho's in a bar-either slapping them or spitting on them.

I am surprised he is still on the team at all-I thought Pioli would cut ties with that locker room cancer.

This! :clap:

Rep

Would it be too much to ask for you to explain the difference to me? I know the difference between 3-4 and 4-3...I don't necessarily know what it means to have a 1 gap or a 2 gap?

1-gap defenders are just penetrating up the field for the most part, lining up between offensive linemen. 2-gap defenders are trying to control blockers and let players behind them make the plays, often lining up head-on with offensive linemen, taking the gap on either side depending on where the play is going.

Thank you. I was headed in that direction, but needed it confirmed.

How would a 1 gap work in a 3-4? Wouldn't that leave too much room for the run? Or is it just for a passing play?

1-gap 3-4 defenses are pretty rare. If I'm not mistaken they're often called an "attack" 3-4. The Cowboys sort of run this...

But mostly in a 3-4 it's going to be 2-gap.

You see more 1-gap in 4-3 defenses....Glenn Dorsey was drafted to be a 1-gap defender, get up the field and make plays. Of course last year our moronic coaches had him playing head up on guards trying to play 2-gap.

Smaller, quicker defenders = 1 gap

Bigger, stouter defenders = 2 gap

married = 1 gap

etc...

Wasn't he just slower then we expected him to be?

No. The Chiefs knew what they were getting. Although he did play over his recommended weight last year.

You don't need to be particularly fast to be a 1-gap defensive tackle. Dorsey ran like a 5.1 40-yard dash. It's more about quickness, acceleration, agility, burst off the line.