Per 810 at OTA's Today... and Gretz's report...
 

No Brian Waters.
No Mike Vrabel.

Carry on!

waters is on the chopping block

Here is Gretz's report...

http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-footb...html#more-8818

OTA #1 Update 5/18
May 18, 2009 - Bob Gretz |

From Truman Sports Complex

There were 83 players on the field for the Chiefs first OTA session Monday morning.

“We are trying to integrate some football as rookies and veterans are together for the first time,” said Todd Haley. “I thought we got off to a decent start. We had 83 players on the field which I think is excellent given that the OTA’s are voluntary. We had nice weather, so we were all able to be outside.”

The only players on the roster missing from the workout were LG Brian Waters, OLB Mike Vrabel and fourth-round draft choice Donald Washington. Waters and Vrabel have not been at the team’s facilities at all this off-season, while Washington is not allowed to attend under NFL rules because Ohio State’s spring term does not end until the second week of June.

“This is all voluntary so let’s try to focus on the 83 guys that are here and working hard,” said Haley.

Veteran Wade Smith stepped into Waters spot at LG with the first-team offense, while Tamba Hali and Monty Beisel worked at the OLB spots with the first defense.

There were a handful of players who did not take part as they rehab from injury: QB Brodie Croyle, CB Maurice Leggett, TE Tony Davis, LB Turk McBride, DT Tank Tyler, DE Glenn Dorsey, OLB Brian Johnston and RB Kolby Smith.

Observations from the workout:

The No. 1 offense lined up this way: Dwayne Bowe and Mark Bradley were at WR, Brad Cottam at TE, Mike Cox and Larry Johnson in the backfield with Cassel and the offensive front from left to right of Branden Albert, Smith, Rudy Niswanger, Mike Goff and Damion McIntosh.

The No. 1 defense lined up this way: Tyson Jackson, Ron Edwards and Alex Magee along the defensive line, although Dorsey worked with the No. 1 unit at RDE when they did their pre-practice walkthrough segment. At strong OLB spot was Monty Beisel with Hali work at the weak OLB. Inside it was Derrick Johnson and Zach Thomas. LCB was Brandon Carr, RCB was Brandon Flowers with Jarrad Page and Bernard Pollard at safety.

The No. 2 offensive line went like this from left to right: Herb Taylor, Edwin Harrison, Eric Ghiaciuc, Tavares Washington and Barry Richardson.

The No. 2 defense lined up this way: Alfonso Boone, Derek Lokey and Bobby Greenwood, with OLB Darrell Robertson and Andy Studebaker with inside backers Demorrio Williams and Corey Mays. On the corners were Travis Daniels and Ricardo Colclough, with Jon McGraw and DaJuan Morgan at safety.
Working at OLB were Hali, McBride, Studebaker, Beisel, Robertson, Johnston and Walters.
Working at ILB were Johnson, Thomas, Mays, Williams, Wes Dacus, Jovan Belcher and Corey Smith.

When the squads came together for the seven-on-seven passing drills, Bowe dropped the first two passes thrown his way,
The No. 1 pick draft choice had a nice pass defense as he knocked a pass out of the sky with his hand at the line of scrimmage.

Waters is only on the chopping block if we want our new QB to be split in half.

Kelli Croyle was seen leaving Pioli's office with white residue on her dress.

Good ****. Beisel is our replacement if 900 year old Vrabel goes down. With Tamba on the other side? :deevee:

What a belabored phrasing.

It seems like every single defensive lineman drafted by Herm is recuperating from injury.

Don't like the sound of this...

Love this!! :thumb: This was one of Jackson's specialties at LSU.

wouldn't shock me at all if Vrabel said f'it and retired...

Hopefully Barry Richardson is making a good impression. I kind of figured Colin Brown was going to be a lock at the 2nd team RT spot today. Good sign IMO.

what's wrong with dorsey?

I think it still has to do with the leg injury he had in college. IIRC, a few weeks ago at the mini-camp before the draft, that is what they were saying.

The No. 2 defense looks pretty ****ing awesome.

I'm kind of wondering if that might not be the case as well.

Pretty much all of them except Brodie and Kolby. WTF happened to these guys?

Actually this is good information from Gretz. Much better than anything else we've had lately.

I hope Tank and Turk weren't injured getting beat up by the Metallica-wannabe boy band members.

well, that sucks....

Waters is a little bitch. How disappointing. He'd rather play for a career loser like Herm Edwards than a no-bullshit, get-things-done, up-and-comer like Todd Haley.

I wonder if Dorsey wasn't traded, in part, because of this mysterious injury.

"When the squads came together for the seven-on-seven passing drills, Bowe dropped the first two passes thrown his way"


JFC kid. This is your ONLY ****ING JOB!

Dwayne Bowe will catch the ball when Dwayne Bowe's ready to.

Coach A doesn't make him do crap, and treats him like a leader.

Coach B is THE leader and expects you to work your *** off. Which do you think Waters will work for?

Interesting thought, although one could argue that his time at RDE during the practice would negate this possible concern. Either way he needs to get better and play his butt off, whether it is for a trade or to start. A D-line with Jackson and Dorsey on it is going to be pretty interesting.

I'll ask this question in this thread. Is there anymore to the Dorsey to the Bills for Parrish and 2 draft picks rumor that somebody was floating around in the Mecca thread late last week?

It looks like the focus for 2009 is the year of finding out whether any of Herm's draft picks can transition to the 3-4.

Disappointing news.

Agreed.

Me too.

The guy is 900 years old, and just was dealt from a Super Bowl contender to a team that has won 15 games in the past 3 seasons.

I'm sure he's ****ing thrilled. I mean, who wouldn't want to end their career playing for a loser?

So why is Zack Thomas so excited to be here?

I say Vrabel accepted the trade. If he's not going to do his job the same way he did it in New England, then yeah, he should retire. Otherwise, get his ass in the locker room and start doing that team leader bullshit we sent him in here to do

It looks like he is at camp just not ours......


http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sport...e-with-campers

Zach Thomas is happy here because he found a team that would pay him.

He had a choice to come here - likely because he wasn't getting other offers, and a paycheck is better than no paycheck when you still want to play.

Vrabel was forced to come here.

Apples and oranges.

thomas wasn't an anchor and fan beloved player on a multiple superbowl winning team....Vrabel could easily decide he has nothing left to prove....

This also.

I thought he was a Belicheat cast-off and booby prize for the Cassel trade anyway.

There was speculation that NE was going to release him (salary) so Pioli and BB worked a deal to save him some face. I would think if he was going to retire he they would have clued him in on the transaction and he would do it then.

That being said, it is a little disappointing because the old guys were brought in to show the new guys "how to work".
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Our LB's are just fracked.

Compare and contrast Waters with a supposed "cancer" like Owens:

Cassel is going to get killed behind that O-Line unless he learns how to read the D and throw in like .5 seconds

With Goff I wouldn't say our line is any worse than the bruised up line he played behind last year.

People are really overrating a guard's role in pass protection...

I just wish they'd trade Waters already.......****ing get it over with.

DE's get to the QB's the most, but DT's still get pressure. I think Shields played a pretty big role in protecting Green, granted not as big of a role as Roaf did.

Exactly what I was thinking. He was supposed to bring veteran leadership, so far that is not working out to well.

I am not worried about Goff but the turnstile he is playing next to

the star has some pics up from today.

http://www.kansascity.com/1015/gallery/1203674.html

Starting lineups
Here's how the Chiefs lined up with their first units during their first full-squad practice:

Offense
QB - Matt Cassel
RB - Larry Johnson
FB - Mike Cox
WR - Dwayne Bowe
WR - Mark Bradley
TE - Brad Cottam
LT - Branden Albert
LG - Wade Smith (for the absent Brian Waters)
C - Rudy Niswanger
RG - Mike Goff
RT - Damion McIntosh
Defense
LE - Tyson Jackson
NT - Ron Edwards
RE - Alex Magee (for the injured Glenn Dorsey)
OLB - Monty Beisel (for the absent Mike Vrabel)
ILB - Zach Thomas
ILB - Derrick Johnson
OLB - Tamba Hali
CB - Brandon Flowers
CB - Brandon Carr
FS - Jarrad Page
SS - Bernard Pollard

Submitted by Adam Teicher on May 18, 2009 - 12:36pm.
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can't help it, Haley cracks me up...swear he would eat your liver with a warm pabst...

That helps some. But it seems he has yet to show, at all, to One Arrowhead Drive. That bothers me some, but who knows, he might come riding in on a white horse soon.

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Can we get some pictures of Krummie teaching those guys how to be total dominate bad assess with the Slap Chop?

hmm, just looks like a tired kid that hasn't shaved, to me.

Haley banned it. Permanently.

First pictures are up....

http://www.deludeddiva.com/wp-conten...e-03-thumb.jpg

Monty Beisel and Tamba Hali as OLB's...ew.

Krummie, teaching the basics!

http://www.gossipsucker.com/wp-conte...ve_my_nuts.jpg

ROFL God that guy's a goober!

Oh no is Tim Krumrie busting out the slap fight...

wow, you're a blast at parties i bet....

Yep, he puts on The Chipmunks sing DMX, and hits the ground running.

I don't think he knows how to do anything else

Roster says the dude weighs 269 pounds. That's one pound shy of 270. If he bulks up he might be able to play right tackle.

His weight is higher because of his height, but he does look a bit thin.

Yeah, I know. But it still surprised me how thin he looked at 269.

Well looks take into account if a OT was 6'7 he'd weigh 350lbs

they don't teach that stuff in grade school folks

heh... point of emphasis.

:D

Sorry TC, but to us old guys like Ed and me, that's exactly what he looks like.

Hell, he looks just like the kid I told to get off my lawn today.

first i've seen that anybody thinks Haley looks mexican

yes, I too am capable of pointing out the obvious....

that also obviously wasn't my intention...and it has nothing to do with anyone's age...

I might just be pessimistic considering how shitty the Cheaps have been since..... awhile..... but

Beyond the Cassel trade-I have not been impressed at all with who they are bringing in.

Seems like a bunch of has-beens on their last legs... yes leadership is important and all that, but the draft received terrible reviews from nearly everyone.

TG now Waters-will be very hard to replace. Those lineups don't look like a contender in any shape way or form.

This.

ROFL

Cottam is big enough. You don't want him any bigger than 269. If he were any bigger, it would hurt his athletic ability and change of direction. You don't want him to be Jason Dunn.

He's big enough to be an effective blocker and still have the quickness to run some good routes. Cassell will want him to stay at 269.

ROFL THE 1ST APOSTLE HAS SPOKEN! MAKE IT SO!

If Don Pioli can accomplish one thing in his early tenure with the Chiefs, it would be to improve our conditioning and player development programs. It seems to me that the Chiefs have sucked at both for a long time. Coupled with Herm's "Camp Hugs And Booboo Kisses", it's a wonder any of these guys survived a season. I expect that, should Haley introduce a more aggressive approach to camp, many of our 2nd- and 3rd-year guys will be sucking air as well as Haley's dong in an effort to get more bench time.

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