Chiefs sign Mike Brown
 

m'kay.

I wonder how long the contract is for? He's an upgrade if he can stay healthy.

Safety is a position of need, even for depth.

If healthy, I think Brown moves Pollard to the bench. He's a proven, solid safety when he's on the field, and last year, he remained pretty healthy.

ROFL

Well, let's hope for it anyway. I do agree w/ you, an upgrade if/when healthy.

He will provide a veteran platooning situation because of his health concerns without all the pissing and moaning. Might be an ideal situation for teaching our young safeties.

Anything that gets either of those safeties off the field would be a good thing.

Why is McGraw still on the team.........anyone know?

That's my question.

That guy sucks.

Yes. Special Teams.

Special teams.

That's a pretty big damned "if." The guy's lived on IR the past couple of years.

The guy did have some good years so as long as we didn't pay too much for him, good pickup. If anything, he can fill the teacher role like Vrabel and Thomas which will be good because we all know the coaching the past several years has been dismal to non-existent.

The story last time was that Mike Brown was getting ready to go out and workout for the Chiefs, he then received a call from Lovie Smith saying he wanted him back. He supposedly didnt even workout for Haley, he left and went back to Chicago.
What happened since then?

Chiefs agree to deal with ex-Pro Bowl S Brown

Chiefs agreed to terms with S Mike Brown, formerly of the Bears.

The KC Star's report says Brown "could" swipe Jarrad Page or Bernard Pollard's starting job, but he's more likely to be a third safety. It's the role he's best suited for at age 31 with a long history of unreliable health. A onetime Pro Bowler (2005) and Chicago's all-time leader in defensive TDs (7), Brown can play both safety spots. There's a lot to like about this pickup. Jun. 24 - 12:18 pm et
Source: Kansas City Star

I thought that was the case too. Maybe he couldn't pass the physical in Chicago?

I don't see any reason for him not to start when healthy.

Nice signing, a big upgrade over mcgraw IMO

I might be wrong, but I think that article was written as a "prediction piece" as opposed to actual reporting of facts. It was discussed in a thread here awhile ago.

Not to single you out but I don't buy into this supposed "role".

Did you read Peter King's MMQB this week? There's a piece with Warren Sapp where Sapp unequivocally states that younger players do not listen to veterans. They blow them off, entirely. He saw it with the Bucs and the Raiders. He said Derrick Brooks has experienced the same thing.

Trent Green was pissed about the drafting of Brodie Croyle in 2006.

This whole "mentoring" thing is a figment of the imagination of the fans.

It just doesn't exist.

I like the signing. Brown is a very good player to have in training camp, and we got him for cheap. Its a good deal for our safety depth.

good signing...no risk, some reward

I doubt if it's always like this, but probably more often than not.

Would you want to train the younger kid who's after your job?

I'll never forget the obvious hatred between Montana and Young.

Another of the leadership signings, smart player, should set a fine example.

I really like this signing. This is a PLUS all the way around. LOVE THAT Pioli is in the office working right now. There is news breaking about this team, and out of nowhere, we get this guy. YES!!!!

Stay tuned, I think the ride is going to keep going......and Im not talking about draft picks.

I agree with you. I wont say its "non-existent", but im sure it does happen a lot. I know Tony has done his best to help younger players during his career to become better route runners. I think guys listened to him, it just doesnt always translate to the field. Coaches pick up certain players that fit their scheme as well as help mold younger players. Its a coin flip of whether or not it always works. The Patriots have done this type of thing for the last 10 years and it has worked pretty well. For other teams it doesnt always work that way. Right now our team, the Chiefs are doing this exact same thing, along with the Broncos. (McDaniels just isnt as good at it). The Mike Brown signing is very good because Brown is a guy that can play at the level of Pollard or Page, and will help push them in training camp to want to keep their jobs, and do better. Brown will not be our starting safety even if he plays better than Page or Pollard in TC. Hes only here to be a rotation guy and to come in during 3 safety packages.

Good spirit :D

It's about setting examples. How to prepare, how to win. etc. These are grown men. Nobody expects them to be big brothering them. Especially when they are ultimately going to replace them.

ROR will starting bitching about this signing in 3,2,1...

Tony Richardson mentored Larry Johnson. There are exceptions.

Well, if you like it, I might change my tune.

I bet Brown would be a lot better if Gunther was coaching him.

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Mike Brown has a solid 5 years left under his belt

Assuming he stays healthy.

Did he play SS or FS in Chicago?

Holy super optimistic bastard, batman

Yeah but he sucks.

Mandatory white guy rule.:D

Bullshit.

If "guys listened to him", Dwayne Bowe wouldn't have shown up at OTA's 30 pounds overweight.

What does this say about Romeo if anything? OOPs his name id Brown, he was not a Brown :banghead:

Sammy Knight may have been sea turtle on land slow, but I think he brought respect and savvy. Beating out a vet can only booster confidence and sets a goal. Ranks right up there with talent in young players.

Wow, the reaction in this thread is WAY below what it should be.

This is a phenomenal signing for us.

WTF guys.

This is a good signing, no disagreement from me. The big issue here is his health. If he can stay off from the injured list, and is playing on Sundays, I won't complain too much.

Where do you get that Green was pissed about Croyle? From everything I have heard and seen, Green and Huard went out of their way to take Croyle under their wing.

I do agree that the role of mentorship is overrated, but I disagree that leaders are any less important. And Sapp is not exactly an expert on leadership and followership--he was neither during his career and he was so good that he didn't really need anyone's help anyway. Not only that, but he plays a position that is largely a physical skill position--you either have it, or you don't. It's not like QB where you can make up for inferior talent by being superior at the mental part of the game. While mentorship is overrated, leadership is not. A young player will listen to another young player much less than to a veteran. When Zach Thomas yells at a player for screwing up on the field, are you really going to tell me he doesn't hold more weight than Demorrio Williams? Here's a classic example: Matt Cassel apparently has a "Brady-like" work ethic--do you really think he would have picked that same work ethic up if he was "mentored" on the same Patriots team, but with Daunte Culpepper as the starting QB?

I think you underrate the role of veteran leaders. In my opinion, it's the sole reason why teams like Washington and Oakland never succeed, in spite of loading up on talented players--it's because the team continually picks up veterans who have no leadership capacity. Mentorship doesn't always mean taking a kid under their wing. Many times, it's just showing kids the right habits, even if they don't intentionally try to do so. I guarantee that even if Jerry Rice was supposedly a self-absorbent prick, everyone around him became so much better just by watching such a superb practitioner of the game.

Phenomenal? How so?

He's 31. He hasn't played a 16 game season since 2003.

2008: 15 games
2007: 1 games
2006: 6 games
2005: 12 games
2004: 2 games

The guy might not even make it out of training camp.

Your verbosity knows no bounds.

Trent Green was pissed and said so on the draft broadcast. He said in print that he was unhappy and shocked that the Chiefs would take a QB with a third round pick.

If he was truly a team player that cared about the team, he wouldn't have tried to force his way back into the lineup when the Chiefs were performing very well on offense under Huard. But of course, that's a different issue.

I've said this before.

Bowe was overweight by Haley's standards, but I believe that Herman ****ing Edwards had a different standard, and Bowe would have been close to the weight that Herman ****ing Edwards wanted him at.

I find it hard to believe that Bowe got out of shape when he spent the offseason working out with Larry Fitzgerald.

I think all this discussion of players being overweight has to be taken with a grain of salt, given the different expectations of Herman ****ing Edwards vs. Haley's expectations.

Maybe, maybe not.

25-30 pounds is quite a bit of weight. Regardless of "expectations".

'kay.

When Bowe came into the league, his combine weight was around 215.

With Herman ****ing Edwards here, though, he has been playing at around 225.

I think Haley wants him closer to 205.

So even if he weighed only 5 lbs heavier that what Herman ****ing Edwards wanted him at, he would be right around 25 lbs heavier than Haley wants.

Goodbye Bernard Pollard! Best signing of the off-season for the Chiefs

It's an entirely different issue.

Did Green and Huard proactively reach out to Croyle to help? Yes.

End of discussion.

This is what I was thinking. How can this be the best off season signing with that record? :eek:

This is a good signing as long as we didn't give him a big contract. When he's healthy he is a pretty big upgrade over Pollard. When he's not healthy it gives our young safeties a chance to still play. If he is a veteran that actually helps teach the young guys then it's a fantastic signing.

Watch the video. He's a play maker how many of those do the Chiefs have on defense?

Yeah, I don't agree with that wording.

Best signing? No. Good signing? I think so. High risk, high potential reward. If Brown is healthy, we have ourselves a star. If he isn't, we scrap him. And all the while, he helps us on special teams.

And by the way, I still can't stand the hate for Jon McGraw. Scott Pioli and Todd Haley, not Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards, decided that he was good enough to stay on the roster. It no longer has anything to do with favoritism. He's a decent backup and a great special teams player. I have no problem keeping a roster spot for a guy like that.

I'll shorten it for you then.

You say young players do not listen to veterans, therefore mentorship doesn't exist.

WRONG. There's direct mentorship, as when Tony G proactively met with Thigpen after every practice. There's followership, as when Cassel picked up Brady's work ethic by shadowing him. And there's indirect leadership, as when rookie QBs learn to think like veteran QBs and players start to practice like experienced veterans. And then you have guys like LJ throwing a shit fit when T-Rich isn't re-signed.

No. And he also requested a trade because he wasn't just handed the starting gig in 2007.

Did you just start following the Chiefs in 2009?

I like this move. Guy is a play maker.

This. Careers are short in the NFL, so this "taking under the wing" stuff is likely overblown.

As Trent Green put it, "that's what coaches are for".

Now, certainly having your competition busting their ass with preparation will force the younger guys to follow suit.

Wow. So, now you're going to dispute the words of Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks? You're going to dispute the actions of Trent Green and Mike Vrabel?

Did you become an NFL last week or something?

a ****ing drunk monkey is an upgrade over McGraw.... Other one of Herms brilliants moves..

They all dream of that feel good story in the NFL...

I don't know about star? Mind you, thats my opinion. I think he is definately a solid starter when healthy heads and shoulders far better then what we have starting at safety now.

I really hope he starts stays healthy and beats out either Page or Pollard I hope we didn't sign Mike Brown to play special teams. The other guys like Page, Pollard, or McGraw can do that job. Im only saying this because i feel safety position needs to be upgraded..If he can start, give us a solid safety for this year and next year we go into the draft and draft a safety then thatd be more to enough to ask for.

true

You're expecting way too much.

The guy hasn't been healthy since 2003. He's been injured every single year since and he's 31 years old. He was a free agent at this point for a reason.

I hope he can make some sort of contribution but your expectations are way over the top.

This is what I do, thanks.

Oh shut up.....lol

That would be me, you have been served.
Bernard Pollard is going NOWHERE.
THIS RIGHT HERE. couldnt not agree more.

Good signing as long as he can stay healthy.

Anyone want to take a bet which happens first, Brown getting hurt or Clay getting laid?

You don't know what you're talking about. He played 15 games last season. He'll make more of a contribution then Bernard Pollard will. Pollard has proven he's not a good safety. Mike Brown is a play maker.

Hey I always hope for the best...thats just me

i didn't really see any other way we could've improved the safety position this year? There really wasn't much out there? And Brown is a pretty good option if healthy. it's a risk, but a risk that could be worth taking.

Yeah I know he has durability issues, but all you can really do as a fan is either be supportive upon this move, or look at the darkside down and not press upon your hopes...Id rather choose to focus on the sunny side up regardless whether this situation works out or not.

I think Pollard can be a good safety in a more aggresive type of scheme, Page Im not so sure.

Pollard takes wrong angles to the football thats stuff you learn in pee wee. He also misses alot of tackles and is slow. I guess you could play him on 1st and 2nd down and Mike Brown on 3rd downs. Either way this was the best signing this off-season for the Chiefs.

Oh, I don't, huh? If was so good for the Bears last year, why was he released? Why wasn't he signed by any team in the NFL earlier than June 24th?

And apparently, you missed this nugget:

Since 2003, he's played in exactly 36 out of a possible 80 games due to various injuries.

STFU

As I said earlier, if he contributes, GREAT!

But expecting him to beat out the incumbent starter and have a Pro-Bowl like season after missing 44 games over the past 5 seasons (not including the playoffs) is tenuous at best.

Especially at age 31.

Really.

Best, huh?

Better than Zach Thomas? Better than Bobby Engram?

If he's the "best", then this team will be lucky to win a single game.

Are you telling me you'd rather have a guy who sucks (Pollard) then a guy who only plays half the games but makes plays (Brown)?

I do think coaches bring in guys to mentor and lessen the blow of what is gonna happen with a new scheme/coach.
Matter of fact i know it happens. Just didnt happen in KC.

Uh, times are different now, Champ.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...oks/index.html


"I'll tell you the real reason,'' his friend Warren Sapp said over the weekend. "Because it's not the same for the veterans anymore. The NFL doesn't need us. In this NFL, the old vets don't factor in. The kids don't listen to nobody. Nobody! My last year in Oakland, I'd try to talk to some of the kids. Tommy Kelly, Terdell Sands. But they had no interest. I thought the ghosts in that building were so valuable, but none of the young guys cared. Once in a while, one of the old legends would come in the building, or make a trip. Jack Tatum would be around, and I'd say, 'You know who that dude is? You know how he played?' And the kids would be like, 'Nah, I don't care.'

"The game's different now. Look at Vince Young. Why wouldn't he listen to Kerry Collins? I'm sure Vince thinks, 'Nobody's been through what I'm going through. Nobody's been through my kind of pressure.' Are you kidding me! Kerry Collins, fifth pick in the draft, has all the ups and downs, gets benched, makes those racist comments, has the alcohol problems, moves from team to team, comes back, has success ... Vince Young should suck up all the knowledge Kerry Collins has to offer! There's no better role model for him.''

I have heard that Collins went out of his way last year to try to help Young when the struggling quarterback was having his quasi-breakdown. Young had no interest. Maybe Sapp's on to something. If he is, it's a sad commentary on the kids of the NFL.

Yup. It's laughable seeing you say the same thing over and over just change Mike Browns name with Zach Thomas and I bet you said the same shit. We'll be lucky to win a single game with a guy who makes plays? Says the guy who gets his dick wet watching DaJuan Morgan. Your posts are like a bad comedian telling the same joke it's pretty funny actually.