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Sure-Oz 06-25-2009 09:36 PM

Source: Royals willing to trade non-core players
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9...n-core-players

Source: Royals willing to trade non-core players
by Jon Paul Morosi
Updated: June 25, 2009, 6:17 PM EDT
Comment
Royals general manager Dayton Moore loathes the word "rebuilding." He's not necessarily ready to concede the 2009 season, even though his team is 31-40.

But a person with knowledge of the team's plans said Moore will be open-minded to trade possibilities — if they bring talent and/or salary relief that would benefit the team in 2010 and beyond.

In that respect, his approach to this year's trade deadline is similar to that of Cleveland GM Mark Shapiro, a competitor in the American League Central.

As a rival AL executive put it on Thursday: "Kansas City will talk about anyone outside their core players."

Generally speaking, Kansas City's core includes power right-handers Zack Greinke and Gil Meche, closer Joakim Soria, third baseman Alex Gordon and first baseman Billy Butler. (The Royals hope Gordon, who hasn't played since April 15 after undergoing hip surgery, will be back after the All-Star break.)

After this season, Meche will have two years and $24 million left on his original five-year deal. While the Royals could save money by dealing him to a wealthy club, it's doubtful that they will move him. Almost every scenario involving a near-term contender in Kansas City includes a rotation headlined by Greinke and Meche.

But with so many teams looking for offense, widespread interest could develop in players like outfielder David DeJesus and super-utility man Mark Teahen.

Teahen has already started drawing inquiries from teams, a major-league source told FOXSports.com. He's earning $3.575 million this year and isn't scheduled to become a free agent until after the 2011 season.

Once Gordon returns, Teahen will become more expendable, particularly when considering how well Alberto Callaspo has played at second base.

Teahen's selling points are defensive versatility and power potential. Teahen has been the Royals' primary third baseman since Gordon was placed on the disabled list, but he has started at least a handful of games at every position except catcher and shortstop. His .438 slugging percentage entering Thursday is the second-highest of his big-league career.

DeJesus is having a down year, batting .246 with five home runs, but he has been a steady left-handed hitter in the past. A good defender in left field, he could flourish offensively if given the opportunity to hit in a more dynamic lineup. He has a relatively affordable contract: $3.6 million this year, $4.7 million next year, and a $6 million team option ($500,000 buyout) in 2011.

A market could also develop for designated hitter Mike Jacobs, but he's a fairly one-dimensional player. He has home run power (32 last year, 10 this year) but strikes out often and isn't a good defender at first base. He's earning $3.275 million this year.

The Royals' farm system is thin on position players in the upper minors, so they would love to restock with up-the-middle talent, especially at center field, shortstop and catcher.

Shortstop Mike Aviles, a revelation last year, is on the disabled list with elbow trouble, and the team has grown concerned about whether he will be able to return this season. Center fielder Coco Crisp, who underwent shoulder surgery on Wednesday, has already been lost for the year.

leviw 06-25-2009 09:43 PM

Unrealistic trade proposals and "trade everyone" tirades in...

3.....2.....1....

KCChiefsMan 06-25-2009 10:10 PM

and by not "core" means that they will trade Greinke

Deberg_1990 06-25-2009 10:15 PM

Grienke/Meche/Hochovar could be special.

At this point, id say almost every hitter is tradeable.

Demonpenz 06-25-2009 10:42 PM

Mike Jacobs gives you nothing. Not even power at this point. Get Teahen in a small ball park and a decent team he will get you 25 HR. Butler can square the ball up at the major league level at 22 years old, he needs to get into the weightroom, be delivered every meal by a person who knows how to build muscle, and he has to have WILL his way to being great player. The talent is there, just going to be a matter of him wanting to do it or giving into the "I got pussy and money, and now I got a twinkie in my mouth"

58kcfan89 06-25-2009 10:51 PM

Good to hear this, I was hoping not to see Teahen's name listed among the "core" players. After starting him at 2B to begin the year, I got mad at the fact that the team couldn't accept him as a utility/role player.

Only problem I see is that there's not a whole lot the Royals can give up to get much in return. I hope DM can find some pieces to move & be agressive by the deadline, but I'm not too optomistic.

Demonpenz 06-25-2009 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 58kcfan89 (Post 5864728)
Good to hear this, I was hoping not to see Teahen's name listed among the "core" players. After starting him at 2B to begin the year, I got mad at the fact that the team couldn't accept him as a utility/role player.

Only problem I see is that there's not a whole lot the Royals can give up to get much in return. I hope DM can find some pieces to move & be agressive by the deadline, but I'm not too optomistic.

1 the team accepted him along time ago as utility player, if they thought he was a star, they wouldn't move him around so much.

58kcfan89 06-25-2009 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 5864736)
1 the team accepted him along time ago as utility player, if they thought he was a star, they wouldn't move him around so much.

I know, but they seemed like they had to have him on the field, so they kept moving him around trying to find a place for him... I've just never liked him.

Deberg_1990 06-25-2009 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 58kcfan89 (Post 5864750)
I've just never liked him.

Hes ok. Hes a complimentary player, not a star. Never will be one.

Sure-Oz 06-25-2009 11:12 PM

I think Teahen probably has good value as a utility guy with a decent bat...he may get us more than you'd think. He's been pretty valuable to us esp with the injuries....it's not his fault he might be the best player from the beltran trade. His value was at its highest before they moved him to OF and his injury.

sportsman1 06-25-2009 11:14 PM

Sorry but I'm taking the Minority on this one. Teahan's utility ability is a great thing for Royals, and without him there really isn't anyone better who is going to step up, and fill the gap. The trade value for him just isn't worth it.

Sure-Oz 06-25-2009 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsman1 (Post 5864759)
Sorry but I'm taking the Minority on this one. Teahan's utility ability is a great thing for Royals, and without him there really isn't anyone better who is going to step up, and fill the gap. The trade value for him just isn't worth it.

I can see the point, i think he def. needs to get something solid in return, don't trade him just for the sake of trading him. He will be more valuable as a backup guy but he's forced to start.

Pitt Gorilla 06-25-2009 11:20 PM

Teahen has pretty good value as a third baseman. There are many other guys I'd rather see dealt before Teahen goes.

Coach 06-26-2009 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 5864767)
Teahen has pretty good value as a third baseman. There are many other guys I'd rather see dealt before Teahen goes.

Or DFA'ed.

Coach 06-26-2009 04:52 AM

And while we're talking about trade stuff, let's not get another Neifi in return, mmkay?

Demonpenz 06-26-2009 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 5864890)
And while we're talking about trade stuff, let's not get another Neifi in return, mmkay?

well this time we don't even have a "star" player to trade, so even getting a Neffi is not realistic, it is going to be a mid level prospect at best/

Sure-Oz 06-26-2009 07:41 AM

It's too bad Rosa and Cortes have regressed so far this year or they'd have some solid value as well....

Sure-Oz 06-26-2009 07:42 AM

Possible CF'er of the future, we got him from the Astros i believe to complete a trade awhile back.

Jordan Parraz 3 | RF AA stats
2009 Season
Team League AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS
NWA TEX .358 64 226 35 81 17 3 7 42 125 29 25 4 8 .451 .553 1.005

OmahaChief 06-26-2009 07:43 AM

The sky is the limit on the potential return we could get for a guy like Tony Pena Jr.

blaise 06-26-2009 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmahaChief (Post 5865067)
The sky is the limit on the potential return we could get for a guy like Tony Pena Jr.

Exactly. These guys have almost no value anyway. Trade them for what? Some guy with holes in his game stuck in the minor leagues. Hooray.

sparkky 06-26-2009 08:25 AM

Source: (Insert favorite team name here) willing to trade non-core players

non story IMO. name a team that ISN'T willing to trade non-core players.

petegz28 06-26-2009 08:30 AM

Gordon can go as far as I am concerned.

Sure-Oz 06-26-2009 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 5865152)
Gordon can go as far as I am concerned.

lol, and trade him for what? i hope he comes back strong

Mr. Krab 06-26-2009 08:45 AM

Keep Greinke and Butler the rest are expendable.

Sure-Oz 06-26-2009 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's (Post 5865182)
Keep Greinke and Butler the rest are expendable.

Honestly, greinke should be the only one....and if you keep butler you better keep gordon, they have pretty much the same OPS but gordon will hit over 25 hrs imo

Mr. Krab 06-26-2009 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5865198)
Honestly, greinke should be the only one....and if you keep butler you better keep gordon, they have pretty much the same OPS but gordon will hit over 25 hrs imo

I say keep Butler because he's the only young guy we got that is actually showing some signs of real potiential. His bat is starting to show a little and this was really his first year at 1st base and he did a passable job at it.

You know everyone keeps talking about what Gordon WILL do but i haven't seen him actually do much of anything yet. He's a decent defensive 3rd baseman but only his potential makes him anything better than Teahen and people around here seem to just hate him.

Sure-Oz 06-26-2009 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's (Post 5865225)
I say keep Butler because he's the only young guy we got that is actually showing some signs of real potiential. His bat is starting to show a little and this was really his first year at 1st base and he did a passable job at it.

You know everyone keeps talking about what Gordon WILL do but i haven't seen him actually do much of anything yet. He's a decent defensive 3rd baseman but only his potential makes him anything better than Teahen and people around here seem to just hate him.

Gordon definetly has the raw power to make some noise...that said he's lost alot due to the injury, i'm excited to see if he can build on anything the rest of the season. He won't be traded, butler is more likely to be imo.

Mr. Krab 06-26-2009 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5865241)
Gordon definetly has the raw power to make some noise...that said he's lost alot due to the injury, i'm excited to see if he can build on anything the rest of the season. He won't be traded, butler is more likely to be imo.

Gordon has lots of power if he can hit the ball. So far he hasn't shown any ability to adapt. His weakness is between his ears.

You correct though, i doubt the Royals trade Gordon or Butler.

Arsonist 06-26-2009 09:15 AM

trade jacobs for a years worth of sunflower seeds and gatoraide, I think we would get the better end of that deal.

blaise 06-26-2009 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arsonist (Post 5865261)
trade jacobs for a years worth of sunflower seeds and gatoraide, I think we would get the better end of that deal.


Jacobs makes a good fan at the plate on a hot summer day. You can feel the breeze all over the stadium when he swings.

Mr. Krab 06-26-2009 09:20 AM

Trade Jacobs and Guillen for anything you get get. We just need to get their contracts off our hands.

gblowfish 06-26-2009 09:21 AM

The only current guys who would be untouchable would be Zack and Butler. I'd make everybody else, including Soria and Gordon, available.

blaise 06-26-2009 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's (Post 5865276)
Trade Jacobs and Guillen for anything you get get. We just need to get their contracts off our hands.

Why would any team in the league want Jose Guillen right now?

Mr. Krab 06-26-2009 09:22 AM

I forgot about Soria. I don't think i would trade him now either because he already has a long contract and he is kinda on a down swing in terms of value. I expect him to rebound.

Mr. Krab 06-26-2009 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blaise (Post 5865281)
Why would any team in the league want Jose Guillen right now?

I didn't say they would. I just said from the Royals perspective, you would be willing to trade Guillen and Jacobs for a bag of peanuts right now.

DJ's left nut 06-26-2009 09:27 AM

Royals core players = Greinke and probably Soria.

EVERYONE else should be on the block. Meche should be the first one dealt, he'll bring back serious value and he'll be long gone by the time Hosmer/Moustakas, et al. are ready to contribute. Butler would be the only other guy I'd consider keeping off the block.

Mr. Krab 06-26-2009 09:32 AM

I think it sucks that MLB contracts are guaranteed. Players play hard until they get their contract, then they take a nap.

DJ's left nut 06-26-2009 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's (Post 5865307)
I think it sucks that MLB contracts are guaranteed. Players play hard until they get their contract, then they take a nap.

Yup. There is nothing positive about guaranteed contracts, IMO.

But even if you make them non-guaranteed, you'll just start seeing astronomical signing bonuses designed to replace them.

BRING BACK THE RESERVE CLAUSE!!!

Deberg_1990 06-26-2009 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blaise (Post 5865281)
Why would any team in the league want Jose Guillen right now?

Theres always some team in the playoff hunt looking for an extra bat. Desperate and in "win now" mode.

Nightfyre 06-26-2009 11:39 AM

Banny may bring some marginal return from a team looking for a competent 4-5 starter. Mahay should be dealt. If we can get anything for Guillen or Jacobs, we should do so.

Sure-Oz 06-26-2009 11:51 AM

I guarantee moore will listen to any offer for anyone, i doubt he'd just pass a blockbuster deal. I'd def. try to dangle meche cause his value is extremely high, and he won't be around when our A ball guys are coming up. Get what you can within the next year or so...

Mr. Krab 06-26-2009 12:00 PM

It would be huge for the Royals if some of these guys would get on a hot streak before the All-Star break. Especially guys like Guillen,Jacobs,Meche,Banny etc. Getting someone to take 100% of Guillen's contract would be a huge win imo.

Halfcan 06-26-2009 01:28 PM

Too bad we can't trade Owners.

Titty Meat 06-26-2009 01:31 PM

Dayton should trade JP Howell for Joey Gathright and trade his best relievers for 2 avergae players. Yeeea Dayton!

Deberg_1990 06-26-2009 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 5865748)
Too bad we can't trade Owners.


This.


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