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mikey23545 07-15-2009 05:04 PM
Debris strikes Space Shuttle...
 
Breaking news on TV...HD video onboard the Shuttle shows debris striking the underside as it reached Mach 3...

BWillie 07-15-2009 05:09 PM
Are they goin' down?

Hammock Parties 07-15-2009 05:09 PM
"Debris" that most likely was a weapon from an orbiting extra terrestrial craft.

Dayze 07-15-2009 05:11 PM
not good.

mikey23545 07-15-2009 05:12 PM
Shortly after liftoff the camera that shows the main tank and the underside of the shuttle showed a cloud of debris striking the heat shield tiles on Endeavour and leaving some faint white streaks. NASA will be studying the videos and tomorrow will look at the strike area using the robotic arm on the shuttle.

Buck 07-15-2009 05:13 PM
So its out in space now?

Can a rescue craft come and get them?

"Bob" Dobbs 07-15-2009 05:13 PM
What network? I see nothing of this yet on cnn.com or foxnews.com.

BigMeatballDave 07-15-2009 05:15 PM
I was watching the launch on NASA. I didnt see anything out of the ordinary, nor did mission control say anything during the launch.

mikey23545 07-15-2009 05:15 PM
Hard to say how long it would take to prep a rescue mission...They can probably stay docked to the ISS for awhile, but how long?...

mikey23545 07-15-2009 05:16 PM
I live in Florida about 50 miles from the Cape...Local stations just broke in with the news.

BigMeatballDave 07-15-2009 05:18 PM
I'm watching CNN. No mention. Now talking about Shuttle, but nothing about debris striking it.

mikey23545 07-15-2009 05:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 5904059)
I was watching the launch on NASA. I didnt see anything out of the ordinary, nor did mission control say anything during the launch.
They were watching the tapes after the shuttle was in orbit and noticed the strike.

chasedude 07-15-2009 05:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SEKChiefsFan (Post 5904054)
What network? I see nothing of this yet on cnn.com or foxnews.com.
Because they're all Michael, all the time.

Hammock Parties 07-15-2009 05:21 PM
Has Bruce Willis been called in yet?

BigMeatballDave 07-15-2009 05:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 5904070)
They were watching the tapes after the shuttle was in orbit and noticed the strike.
Oh, interesting. I sure hope its nothing...

Goldmember 07-15-2009 05:25 PM
could be the space satellite also known as Michael Jackson

Donger 07-15-2009 05:26 PM
Yeah, I saw it on replay. Looked like three or four big chunks of foam.

"Bob" Dobbs 07-15-2009 05:27 PM
Just watching the NASA presser on cnn.com, and they don't seem too concerned, as of yet.

Frazod 07-15-2009 05:27 PM
Good Christ, what an embarrassment NASA is. :shake:

mikey23545 07-15-2009 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SEKChiefsFan (Post 5904087)
Just watching the NASA presser on cnn.com, and they don't seem too concerned, as of yet.
Yeah, hopefully the pieces of debris were too small to cause any damage, but they did hit the tiles...

mikey23545 07-15-2009 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by frazod (Post 5904090)
Good Christ, what an embarrassment NASA is. :shake:
:spock:

Donger 07-15-2009 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by frazod (Post 5904090)
Good Christ, what an embarrassment NASA is. :shake:
The shuttle should never have been designed the way it is. At the very least, ice will always fall of launch vehicles. Of course, prior to the shuttle, all the humans were on the pointy-end, not strapped to the side of the tank with all the crap falling off it.

FAX 07-15-2009 05:30 PM
Damn. Damn, damn, damn.

FAX

"Bob" Dobbs 07-15-2009 05:31 PM
After Columbia, I'm positive that they've engineered some major improvements into the whole debris strike issue.

Halfcan 07-15-2009 05:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 5904075)
Has Dane been called in yet?
FYP

mikey23545 07-15-2009 05:34 PM
Actually, they carry a tile repair kit on board now. Of course it's never been tried before.

mikey23545 07-15-2009 05:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 5904096)
The shuttle should never have been designed the way it is. At the very least, ice will always fall of launch vehicles. Of course, prior to the shuttle, all the humans were on the pointy-end, not strapped to the side of the tank with all the crap falling off it.
Actually, it has been insulating foam falling off of the main tank that has caused disaster in the past...not ice...A problem that only began after NASA had to change the glue used to attach the foam because some left-wing nut jobs started complaining that the glue they had been using was not environmentally friendly...

FAX 07-15-2009 05:36 PM
A tile repair kit?

FAX

"Bob" Dobbs 07-15-2009 05:36 PM
Well, but I'm also sure that tile technology has improved since then.

Frazod 07-15-2009 05:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 5904095)
:spock:
I'm sorry, but they've been launching these goddamn things for nearly 30 years, you'd think at some point they'd work the bugs out.

No wonder we've never gone back to the moon. I wouldn't trust these ****ers to get me safely to Georgia.

googlegoogle 07-15-2009 05:37 PM
http://news.google.com/news?rlz=1C1G...N&hl=en&tab=wn

Donger 07-15-2009 05:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 5904113)
Actually, it has been insulating foam falling off of the main tank that has caused disaster in the past...not ice...
Yes, I know. My point was about having the crew vehicle above all the crap falling off, be it ice or foam.

orange 07-15-2009 05:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 5904111)
Actually, they carry a tile repair kit on board now. Of course it's never been tried before.
Tests in Space on Repairing Shuttle Tiles


By JOHN SCHWARTZ
Published: March 21, 2008

Two NASA astronauts left the International Space Station on Thursday evening to test techniques for repairing delicate shuttle tiles with a kind of orbital spackle.

NASA has been looking for ways to repair the tiles and panels, which protect the shuttle from the heat of re-entry, since the loss of the shuttle Columbia and its crew in 2003.

Several techniques have been developed. This test used what mission managers called a “goo gun”; it is formally known as a tile repair ablator dispenser.

During the tile repair demonstration, the astronauts filled a series of neat holes and rough gouges. The results will be examined upon the shuttle’s return.

Ginger Kerrick, the station flight director, said in a briefing on Thursday that before NASA could rely on the material chosen for the task, it must be convinced that it acts as it should and that the applicator does its job properly.

Mission managers have said repeatedly that they already have confidence in the material and the applicator. The technique has been tested both in vacuum chambers and under the punishing temperature extremes found in space.

But they could not duplicate the microgravity environment of space, aside from brief bits of time spent in steep descent in specially equipped airplanes. So this experiment will show whether the lack of gravity impairs the putty’s performance.

Zebulon C. Scoville, the lead spacewalk planner for this mission, said the open question concerned bubbles that could occur as the material was laid and began to set.

“In zero gravity, are those bubbles going to rise to the surface?” Mr. Scoville said at a briefing for reporters, “Or are they going to act more like a bread loaf as it bakes, with the gas expanding in the material and being evenly distributed bubbles that then cause the surface to rise up over the top?”

A repair that leaves the putty bulging over the top of the tile could be worse than a shallow gouge, he said, because it can disrupt the flow of superheated gas over the bottom of the shuttle and cause uneven heating downstream of the bump.

The trip outside for Maj. Robert L. Behnken of the Air Force and Capt. Michael J. Foreman of the Navy began with a different task: replacing a circuit breaker that routes power to one of the four gyroscopes that help maintain the orbiting laboratory’s attitude.

But the main event was the work of Captain Foreman, who was hailed as “Mr. Goo” by his colleagues; they also compared him to Rembrandt and called him “grout and tile specialist.” To the last, he replied, “hope we don’t need one.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/sc...21shuttle.html

Donger 07-15-2009 05:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5904114)
A tile repair kit?

FAX
Yes. They will scan the belly of Endeavour thoroughly (they do every mission since Columbia) and they do have a repair kit. It would require a really fun spacewalk and has never been tested in orbit.

Of course, they are going to the ISS anyway.

Donger 07-15-2009 05:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange (Post 5904123)
Tests in Space on Repairing Shuttle Tiles


By JOHN SCHWARTZ
Published: March 21, 2008

Two NASA astronauts left the International Space Station on Thursday evening to test techniques for repairing delicate shuttle tiles with a kind of orbital spackle.

NASA has been looking for ways to repair the tiles and panels, which protect the shuttle from the heat of re-entry, since the loss of the shuttle Columbia and its crew in 2003.

Several techniques have been developed. This test used what mission managers called a “goo gun”; it is formally known as a tile repair ablator dispenser.

During the tile repair demonstration, the astronauts filled a series of neat holes and rough gouges. The results will be examined upon the shuttle’s return.

Ginger Kerrick, the station flight director, said in a briefing on Thursday that before NASA could rely on the material chosen for the task, it must be convinced that it acts as it should and that the applicator does its job properly.

Mission managers have said repeatedly that they already have confidence in the material and the applicator. The technique has been tested both in vacuum chambers and under the punishing temperature extremes found in space.

But they could not duplicate the microgravity environment of space, aside from brief bits of time spent in steep descent in specially equipped airplanes. So this experiment will show whether the lack of gravity impairs the putty’s performance.

Zebulon C. Scoville, the lead spacewalk planner for this mission, said the open question concerned bubbles that could occur as the material was laid and began to set.

“In zero gravity, are those bubbles going to rise to the surface?” Mr. Scoville said at a briefing for reporters, “Or are they going to act more like a bread loaf as it bakes, with the gas expanding in the material and being evenly distributed bubbles that then cause the surface to rise up over the top?”

A repair that leaves the putty bulging over the top of the tile could be worse than a shallow gouge, he said, because it can disrupt the flow of superheated gas over the bottom of the shuttle and cause uneven heating downstream of the bump.

The trip outside for Maj. Robert L. Behnken of the Air Force and Capt. Michael J. Foreman of the Navy began with a different task: replacing a circuit breaker that routes power to one of the four gyroscopes that help maintain the orbiting laboratory’s attitude.

But the main event was the work of Captain Foreman, who was hailed as “Mr. Goo” by his colleagues; they also compared him to Rembrandt and called him “grout and tile specialist.” To the last, he replied, “hope we don’t need one.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/sc...21shuttle.html
Huh. I thought that was canceled.

FAX 07-15-2009 05:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by frazod (Post 5904116)
I'm sorry, but they've been launching these goddamn things for nearly 30 years, you'd think at some point they'd work the bugs out.

No wonder we've never gone back to the moon. I wouldn't trust these ****ers to get me safely to Georgia.
They would be good at some stuff, though, Mr. frazod. Like say ... demolition.

Guys ... do they know what this "debris" was? Was it ice? Foam? Particle ray? Did they collide with a meteor?

FAX

"Bob" Dobbs 07-15-2009 05:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5904130)
They would be good at some stuff, though, Mr. frazod. Like say ... demolition.

Guys ... do they know what this "debris" was? Was it ice? Foam? Particle ray? Did they collide with a meteor?

FAX
I'd think foam would be the safe assumption.

2112 07-15-2009 05:43 PM
They should discontinue using that piece of garbage. bust out the old Saturn rockets out of moth balls. they were much more reliable.

"Bob" Dobbs 07-15-2009 05:44 PM
Aren't there only a few missions left in the STS series?

Donger 07-15-2009 05:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SEKChiefsFan (Post 5904137)
Aren't there only a few missions left in the STS series?
Yes. There are seven more scheduled after this one.

"Bob" Dobbs 07-15-2009 05:48 PM
It will be nice to have space vehicles that aren't the cream of 70's-80's technology.

Donger 07-15-2009 05:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SEKChiefsFan (Post 5904147)
It will be nice to have space vehicles that aren't the cream of 70's-80's technology.
Constellation is going to be a nice bird.

Donger 07-15-2009 05:51 PM
But the mood was dampened somewhat when NASA managers watched the launch video.

Several pieces of foam insulation came off the external fuel tank during liftoff, and the shuttle was hit two or three times, said Bill Gerstenmaier, NASA's space operations chief. Some scuff marks were spotted on the belly, but that probably is coating loss and considered minor, he said.

Engineers immediately began reviewing all the launch video, standard procedure ever since flights resumed following the Columbia disaster. Gerstenmaier said zoom-in photos will be taken of the entire shuttle right before it docks with the space station Friday, to ascertain whether the shuttle suffered any serious damage.

"The bottom line is we saw some stuff," said Mike Moses, chairman of the mission management team. "Some of it doesn't concern us. Some of it you just can't really speculate on right now. But we have the tools in front of us and the processes in front of us to go clear this vehicle for entry" in 16 days.

"Bob" Dobbs 07-15-2009 05:52 PM
Donger, I haven't kept up like I used to, but isn't the next program kinda a redesign of Apollo/Saturn?

2112 07-15-2009 05:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SEKChiefsFan (Post 5904160)
Donger, I haven't kept up like I used to, but isn't the next program kinda a redesign of Apollo/Saturn?
Yes

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/co...ain/index.html

Donger 07-15-2009 05:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SEKChiefsFan (Post 5904160)
Donger, I haven't kept up like I used to, but isn't the next program kinda a redesign of Apollo/Saturn?
Yes, but with a few significant changes.

mikey23545 07-15-2009 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by frazod (Post 5904116)
I'm sorry, but they've been launching these goddamn things for nearly 30 years, you'd think at some point they'd work the bugs out.

No wonder we've never gone back to the moon. I wouldn't trust these ****ers to get me safely to Georgia.
Space flight is inherently dangerous, and involves speeds, pressures, temperatures, things that most earthbound idiots could never comprehend.

All you can do is minimize the risks.

"Bob" Dobbs 07-15-2009 05:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by D2112 (Post 5904162)
Now THAT'S just ****ing cool.
:thumb:

wild1 07-15-2009 06:01 PM
maybe this has been covered, but can they repair it via spacewalk?

FAX 07-15-2009 06:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 5904173)
Space flight is inherently dangerous, and involves speeds, pressures, temperatures, things that most earthbound idiots could never comprehend. ...
ROFL

If I had a sig, this would be it.

FAX

Donger 07-15-2009 06:09 PM
NASA: eight or nine "events" of foam strikes during ascent.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-15-2009 06:20 PM
They think it might have been 6 bags of boar goo that was hurled from the international space station last week.

Well, they were accepting care packages for the astronauts and I sent one for the Russians.:shrug:

Frazod 07-15-2009 06:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 5904173)
Space flight is inherently dangerous, and involves speeds, pressures, temperatures, things that most earthbound idiots could never comprehend.

All you can do is minimize the risks.
What, are you on their payroll?

I'm aware that space is dangerous.

I'm also aware they've been doing this shit for very long time. Yet the same problems keep popping up over and over and over. It's unsatisfactory.

007 07-15-2009 06:25 PM
http://anon.nasa-global.edgesuite.ne...on_journey.asx

Direct link to the video on their site about the new rocket.

mikey23545 07-15-2009 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by frazod (Post 5904217)
What, are you on their payroll?

I'm aware that space is dangerous.

I'm also aware they've been doing this shit for very long time. Yet the same problems keep popping up over and over and over. It's unsatisfactory.
At least you keep proving my point.

Frazod 07-15-2009 06:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 5904224)
At least you keep proving my point.
Perhaps you are on the payroll.

It would explain a lot.

mikey23545 07-15-2009 06:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by frazod (Post 5904226)
Perhaps you are on the payroll.

It would explain a lot.
No, I'm not, but I would be incredibly proud of it if I was....

Demonpenz 07-15-2009 06:50 PM
you would think nasa would have a sweeter website.

FAX 07-15-2009 07:14 PM
If it wasn't for the billions of dollars invested in each explosion (it would be far cheaper just to use gasoline and a match) I'd be all for NASA. As long as the explosions weren't associated with manned missions, of course.

I mean, when it comes to blowing sh*t up, nobody is even in NASA'S league. By my count, so far, they have blown up sh*t on at least 4 planets and a moon. And that's not counting any secret missions or the military ones. Nobody's better. Not the Ruskies, not Red Adair, not anybody.

Still, I hope they've figured out a way to launch rescue missions in a reasonable amount of time. Mr. Donger, you said earlier that the launch window on this mission was 5 minutes or something? Was that weather related? Do you know whether or not there are any restrictions (other than the obvious availability of equipment and personnel) on launching rescue missions?

FAX

ShortRoundChief 07-15-2009 07:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by D2112 (Post 5904162)
That's pretty cool.

Phobia 07-15-2009 07:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 5904269)
you would think nasa would have a sweeter website.
They're not exactly rocket scientists...

ShortRoundChief 07-15-2009 07:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by D2112 (Post 5904136)
They should discontinue using that piece of garbage. bust out the old Saturn rockets out of moth balls. they were much more reliable.

Didn't they launch a saturn rocket after the shuttle disinegrated during reentry and it blew up too? Seems I remember reading something about that.

FAX 07-15-2009 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 5904326)
Didn't they launch a saturn rocket after the shuttle disinegrated during reentry and it blew up too? Seems I remember reading something about that.
Hmmm. I must have missed that. I'm not surprised, though. Events like that don't receive a lot of media coverage, Mr. J Diddy. It's news when a NASA project doesn't explode to hell and gone.

FAX

Skip Towne 07-15-2009 07:28 PM
Spacecraft consist of thousands of moving parts costing millions of dollars. All supplied by the lowest bidder. That would make me very nervous if I were riding one.

007 07-15-2009 07:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 5904340)
Spacecraft consist of thousands of moving parts costing millions of dollars. All supplied by the lowest bidder. That would make me very nervous if I were riding one.
Armageddon

kstater 07-15-2009 07:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 5904340)
Spacecraft consist of thousands of moving parts costing millions of dollars. All supplied by the lowest bidder. That would make me very nervous if I were riding one.
Uhh, try billions of dollars, and millions of parts, and in no way near the lowest bidder.

sedated 07-15-2009 07:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 5904269)
you would think nasa would have a sweeter website.
they've got a few other things on their minds

FAX 07-15-2009 08:06 PM
I've always admired those astronaut guys. Especially the first ones. Down in Huntsville, I sat in a backup capsule salvaged from the Mercury program ... just like the one that John Glenn and Gus Grissom and those guys were in. It was just like sitting in a washing machine with a bunch of old-time levers and switches and stuff. Zero room. None. Talk about strapping your ass to a rocket. Well ... I guess that's pretty much what they did.

FAX

Ebolapox 07-15-2009 08:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by frazod (Post 5904116)
I'm sorry, but they've been launching these goddamn things for nearly 30 years, you'd think at some point they'd work the bugs out.

No wonder we've never gone back to the moon. I wouldn't trust these ****ers to get me safely to Georgia.
they can get you from texas to florida if you're willing to wear a diaper.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-15-2009 08:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by frazod (Post 5904116)
I'm sorry, but they've been launching these goddamn things for nearly 30 years, you'd think at some point they'd work the bugs out.

No wonder we've never gone back to the moon. I wouldn't trust these ****ers to get me safely to Georgia.
ROFL

"The Space Shuttle: Flying Since My Great Grandparents Voted For Reagan"!

ShortRoundChief 07-15-2009 09:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5904388)
I've always admired those astronaut guys. Especially the first ones. Down in Huntsville, I sat in a backup capsule salvaged from the Mercury program ... just like the one that John Glenn and Gus Grissom and those guys were in. It was just like sitting in a washing machine with a bunch of old-time levers and switches and stuff. Zero room. None. Talk about strapping your ass to a rocket. Well ... I guess that's pretty much what they did.

FAX

Yes Mr. Fax, they had Mucho Grande cajones.

acesn8s 07-15-2009 10:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 5904113)
Actually, it has been insulating foam falling off of the main tank that has caused disaster in the past...not ice...A problem that only began after NASA had to change the glue used to attach the foam because some left-wing nut jobs started complaining that the glue they had been using was not environmentally friendly...
Pieces of radioactive space shuttle falling from the sky is real safe. :shake:

Bwana 07-15-2009 10:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kstater (Post 5904344)
Uhh, try billions of dollars, and millions of parts, and in no way near the lowest bidder.
You are correct.

Pioli Zombie 07-15-2009 10:32 PM
As the space shuttle was going under the overpass a couple of mexican kids were seen throwing debris
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mikey23545 07-15-2009 11:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by acesn8s (Post 5904560)
Pieces of radioactive space shuttle falling from the sky is real safe. :shake:
How did the space shuttle get radioactive, fuqtard?

You're the perfect example of scientific education in the 21st century...

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-16-2009 12:16 AM
It's 2009; where the **** is my Hover Craft/RocketMobile?!

Oh, that's right; that money went to fund greater consolidation through advanced satellite-tracking technology and deployment!

Thanks NASA! Thanks, you over-bloated sonofabitch!

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/v...ZZZZZZZ_-1.jpg

Joe Seahawk 07-16-2009 12:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by frazod (Post 5904217)
What, are you on their payroll?

I'm aware that space is dangerous.

I'm also aware they've been doing this shit for very long time. Yet the same problems keep popping up over and over and over. It's unsatisfactory.
I guess our space program is not up to Fraz's standards yet, we should be way better, you know like.. ????

Frikkin idiots at NASA!

JOhn 07-16-2009 12:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 5904640)
How did the space shuttle get radioactive, fuqtard?

You're the perfect example of scientific education in the 21st century...
ROFL

:thumb:

FAX 07-16-2009 12:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 5904640)
How did the space shuttle get radioactive ...?
I think it got radioactive from the Van Halen belt, Mr. mikey23545. That is where the radio waves come from and when the space shuttle flies in there, it picks up those radio waves and gets some radioactive on itself. That's where it got it.

FAX

ShortRoundChief 07-16-2009 01:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5904666)
I think it got radioactive from the Van Halen belt, Mr. mikey23545. That is where the radio waves come from and when the space shuttle flies in there, it picks up those radio waves and gets some radioactive on itself. That's where it got it.

FAX
****ing eddie and his need for the best amps


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