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BigMeatballDave 07-16-2009 11:26 AM

Man jailed for not supporting someone else's child
 
ADEL, Ga. – A Georgia man spent more than a year behind bars for failing to pay child support for a child that wasn't his, but he was released after DNA tests showed he wasn't the father.

Frank Hatley, 50, had been jailed since June 2008 for not making payments, but two separate DNA tests in the last nine years showed he was not the father of the boy, who is now 21.

Southern Center for Human Rights attorney Sarah Geraghty won Hatley's release at a hearing Wednesday in Superior Court. A court order has also relieved him of his financial obligation to the Georgia Department of Human Resources.

"State child support officials have shown extraordinarily poor judgment in Mr. Hatley's case," Geraghty said.

Although Hatley was freed from making future payments after a 2001 hearing, Superior Court Judge Dan Perkins had ordered him to continue making $16,000 in back payments. He paid $6,000 of that before being laid off from his job.

Perkins ordered Hatley's immediate release Wednesday after determining that he was indigent. Although he was released, Hatley's paternity case is still unresolved. No future hearings are scheduled.

"Out of it all, I just feel like justice should be served for me in this case," Hatley told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution shortly after his release. "I shouldn't have to keep being punished for a child that is not mine."

Hatley had a relationship with Essie Lee Morrison, who had a baby in 1987 and told Hatley the child was his, according to court records. The couple never married and split up shortly afterward.

In 1989, Morrison applied for public assistance through the state Department of Human Resources. Hatley agreed to reimburse the state because he believed the boy was his.

Documents show Hatley paid at least $9,500.

But in 2000, DNA samples showed the two were not related, according to court records. A test earlier this month confirmed that.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090716/...ngfully_jailed

MahiMike 07-16-2009 11:28 AM

I don't know why but I chuckled at this. Poor guy.

BigMeatballDave 07-16-2009 11:28 AM

Shit like this infuriates me. He's still gotta pay back $16000 for a child that is not his. BS!

beach tribe 07-16-2009 11:29 AM

****in WHORE!!

The Franchise 07-16-2009 11:30 AM

Now he should sue for the money that he already paid in. Too bad he won't get it.

LaChapelle 07-16-2009 11:30 AM

The real father needs to stand up, again.

Crashride 07-16-2009 11:33 AM

Where is the justice? Its cases like this that make me have no faith in the court system.

acesn8s 07-16-2009 11:36 AM

We have some stupid laws on the books but not a damn one to protect an innocent guy like this.

blaise 07-16-2009 11:37 AM

I think in most states even if you end up not being the father, if you acted as a parent for some length of time, you're on the hook for the payments.

Valiant 07-16-2009 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blaise (Post 5905407)
I think in most states even if you end up not being the father, if you acted as a parent for some length of time, you're on the hook for the payments.

And that is total BS, make the actually biological parent foot the bill.. If the dumb bitch slept with too many guys then too ****ing bad..

KC native 07-16-2009 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blaise (Post 5905407)
I think in most states even if you end up not being the father, if you acted as a parent for some length of time, you're on the hook for the payments.

This. I have a friend going through this right now. Some chick alleged a child was his. He wasn't served properly and thus missed the court date and is now paying child support for a child that isn't his and he can't afford to get it challenged right now (his lawyer for his other custody related paternity issues told him it would be at least $5000 and probably closer to $10k)

acesn8s 07-16-2009 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blaise (Post 5905407)
I think in most states even if you end up not being the father, if you acted as a parent for some length of time, you're on the hook for the payments.

Then paternal test should be given at birth. If the bitch can't proove who the father is then she cannot ever receive child support for that child.

Bob Dole 07-16-2009 11:46 AM

Just one of the many reasons Bob Dole never gives a woman his real name.

MMXcalibur 07-16-2009 11:57 AM

So, he gets jailed for not paying child support for a child that's not his, is released after it's proved the kid is NOT his....but WAIT!......he still has to pay the $16,000 for past child support?

Superior Court Judge Dan Perkins is an asshole.

blaise 07-16-2009 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acesn8s (Post 5905433)
Then paternal test should be given at birth. If the bitch can't proove who the father is then she cannot ever receive child support for that child.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's right. I, like KC Native, know someone going through this. He was dumb not to get tested at the beginning and now his whole life is upside down.

FAX 07-16-2009 12:00 PM

Okay. I'm stumped (and I'll bet this guy wishes he had been).

Why is it that he has to continue to pay the child support? What am I missing here?

FAX

BigMeatballDave 07-16-2009 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5905500)

Why is it that he has to continue to pay the child support? What am I missing here?

FAX

The judge is a ****ing assbag!

Lzen 07-16-2009 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acesn8s (Post 5905433)
Then paternal test should be given at birth. If the bitch can't proove who the father is then she cannot ever receive child support for that child.

Agreed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blaise (Post 5905494)
...He was dumb not to wear protection at the beginning and now his whole life is upside down.

FYP

Lzen 07-16-2009 12:12 PM

We had a case in the local paper here a few months ago that sounded very much like this one. Seems back asswards to me.

blaise 07-16-2009 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 5905570)
Agreed.



FYP


Yeah, that too.

stumppy 07-16-2009 12:31 PM

I always tell the women I throw the wood to my name is Dane McCloud. Then the bidges pay me support.

Halfcan 07-16-2009 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acesn8s (Post 5905402)
We have some stupid laws on the books but not a damn one to protect an innocent guy like this.

exactly-what shity luck

Lumpy 07-16-2009 12:46 PM

My brother's ex-fiance contacted him 5 yrs after she had a child so they got him for back child support. No paternity test was ever done and IMHO that child looks nothing like my brother. I think the entire system is screwed up. If a woman claims that someone is the father of her child and she wants support, she should pay for the paternity test. Plain and simple.

Just Passin' By 07-16-2009 01:15 PM

Always get a paternity test any time a child is claimed to be yours, and refuse to live in a state where it doesn't matter (like California, where a married man is on the hook even if paternity tests prove the kid isn't his).

Valiant 07-16-2009 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5905500)
Okay. I'm stumped (and I'll bet this guy wishes he had been).

Why is it that he has to continue to pay the child support? What am I missing here?

FAX

They have a dumb ass rule the judges follow that says the children should get money from the guys for support even if they are not theirs for the betterment of the child..

Instead of saying, bitch find the real dad..

LaChapelle 07-16-2009 01:29 PM

You've been dating a girl for awhile, she says she's pregnant. How do you ask for a paternity test without ruining everything from there forward if it is yours?

-Someone needs to start a class in how this is handled. $$$$$$$$$

Frazod 07-16-2009 01:38 PM

This is just one of those common sense things that should be easily resolved - paternity test says you're not the kid's father? YOU DON'T PAY. THE END. Nothing else makes sense.

I realize the government's looking after the best interest of the child, but sticking some guy just because he was one of many who blew a load in mommy is outrageous. Let the bitch go on welfare if she doesn't know who the real father is. And make her get fixed before she collects anything, too.

Valiant 07-16-2009 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaChapelle (Post 5905818)
You've been dating a girl for awhile, she says she's pregnant. How do you ask for a paternity test without ruining everything from there forward if it is yours?

-Someone needs to start a class in how this is handled. $$$$$$$$$

Well A: go with your gut feeling.. B: Tell the doctor after delivery that you want a test ran and do not sign shit until after it has been performed..

LaChapelle 07-16-2009 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 5905842)
Well A: go with your gut feeling.. B: Tell the doctor after delivery that you want a test ran and do not sign shit until after it has been performed..

Good luck with that.

Just Passin' By 07-16-2009 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaChapelle (Post 5905818)
You've been dating a girl for awhile, she says she's pregnant. How do you ask for a paternity test without ruining everything from there forward if it is yours?

-Someone needs to start a class in how this is handled. $$$$$$$$$

You let it be known when early on in the dating cycle.

LaChapelle 07-16-2009 01:53 PM

Where is Luv?

Valiant 07-16-2009 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaChapelle (Post 5905859)
Good luck with that.

Good luck with what??

going with your gut feeling??

Telling the doctor?? Because you do not have to sign shit especially if your gut feeling is telling you the kid is not yours..

Or are you talking about staying with the girl if you are not sure it is your child?? If it is not and you question it she is either A: smart and will keep lying to you or B: dumb and will get pissed and say it is not your anyway.. Of course that goes back to if the guy is ignorant himself and cannot see the mountain because the trees are in the way..

LaChapelle 07-16-2009 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 5905892)
Good luck with what??

going with your gut feeling??

Telling the doctor?? Because you do not have to sign shit especially if your gut feeling is telling you the kid is not yours..

Or are you talking about staying with the girl if you are not sure it is your child?? If it is not and you question it she is either A: smart and will keep lying to you or B: dumb and will get pissed and say it is not your anyway.. Of course that goes back to if the guy is ignorant himself and cannot see the mountain because the trees are in the way..

Pussy has never clouded a mind in the history of the world. I forget that at times.

joesomebody 07-16-2009 02:04 PM

I want to blame someone for crap like this. Any suggestions?

Valiant 07-16-2009 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joesomebody (Post 5905909)
I want to blame someone for crap like this. Any suggestions?

We need a blamestorming session.. I blame LaChapelle..

Amnorix 07-16-2009 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acesn8s (Post 5905402)
We have some stupid laws on the books but not a damn one to protect an innocent guy like this.

The laws are designed to protect the kids, not the adults. But yes, results like this can be infuriating.

LaChapelle 07-16-2009 02:08 PM

I love you babe, but I got concerns.

Amnorix 07-16-2009 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5905771)
Always get a paternity test any time a child is claimed to be yours, and refuse to live in a state where it doesn't matter (like California, where a married man is on the hook even if paternity tests prove the kid isn't his).

That's just about every state, not just Cali.

Nixhex 07-16-2009 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acesn8s (Post 5905433)
Then paternal test should be given at birth. If the bitch can't proove who the father is then she cannot ever receive child support for that child.

Word. No one should ever have to pay child support until a DNA test concludes they are the parent of the child.

BigRichard 07-16-2009 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaChapelle (Post 5905818)
You've been dating a girl for awhile, she says she's pregnant. How do you ask for a paternity test without ruining everything from there forward if it is yours?

-Someone needs to start a class in how this is handled. $$$$$$$$$

Why couldn't there be a law where every child born is tested for paternity??? I always thought that would make it easier on guys.

LaChapelle 07-16-2009 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nixhex (Post 5905944)
Word. No one should ever have to pay child support until a DNA test concludes they are the parent of the child.

What if the father is your dead brother? Wow

LaChapelle 07-16-2009 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRichard (Post 5905950)
Why couldn't there be a law where every child born is tested for paternity??? I always thought that would make it easier on guys.

:wayne::wayne::wayne:

Actually It needs to prove she is the mother also.

Nixhex 07-16-2009 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaChapelle (Post 5905951)
What if the father is your dead brother? Wow


That would be really messed up. :doh!:


What I want to know is will they ever do anything that holds these women even somewhat responsible for their actions in these cases?

PunkinDrublic 07-16-2009 02:25 PM

This is one of the reasons why it's not a good idea to date a single mother.

BigRichard 07-16-2009 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nixhex (Post 5905964)
That would be really messed up. :doh!:


What I want to know is will they ever do anything that holds these women even somewhat responsible for their actions in these cases?

Exactly!!! It should be the woman that is in jail in this case and not the guy. What a ****ing ****!!!

BigRichard 07-16-2009 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRichard (Post 5905974)
Exactly!!! It should be the woman that is in jail in this case and not the guy. What a ****ing ****!!!

Isn't this fraud of some sort???

The Franchise 07-16-2009 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 5905971)
This is one of the reasons why it's not a good idea to date a single mother who is ****ing nuts.

FYP

I married a single mom.

rockymtnchief 07-16-2009 02:35 PM

I've dated plenty of single moms and had no problems. It's the single ones with no kids who are itching to have a baby that you have to worry about.

Fishpicker 07-16-2009 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRichard (Post 5905981)
Isn't this fraud of some sort???

paternity fraud

punishable by an almost significant lowering of child support payments... apparently

Shag 07-16-2009 02:40 PM

Child Support Services doesn't care who pays the bill, as long as someone pays it...

A number of years ago, a cop pulls into my driveway behind me, hands me a stack of papers, and says that someone is claiming I was the father of her child. Told me I had 30 days to respond, or they would start garnishing my wages.

Looking over the papers, this woman lived in Iowa (I live in MN), and claimed she had a one-night stand with someone by my name (which is a common name). There was also a description of the guy, which would only describe me if they stopped after "white male".

I had a lawyer friend help me out, and he mentioned that these things can get really nasty. If they tag you as the father for any reason, getting out of the payments is extremely difficult, and getting money back for past payments is pretty much impossible. In the end, I ended up sending a photocopy of my driver's license to Iowa Child Services, and the chick confirmed I wasn't the guy. At that point, I'm sure they moved on the next random guy with my name they could find in the midwest...

Oh, and this was just a couple months after I got married. Good times...

Amnorix 07-16-2009 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nixhex (Post 5905964)
That would be really messed up. :doh!:


What I want to know is will they ever do anything that holds these women even somewhat responsible for their actions in these cases?

What would that be?

Put them in jail so they can't raise the child so the state has to do it?

What did she do anyway? She whored around. If people want to talk about sterilization programs, that's fine, but what else are you looking for?

RJ 07-16-2009 02:46 PM

It's all Obama's fault.

BigRichard 07-16-2009 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5906018)
What would that be?

Put them in jail so they can't raise the child so the state has to do it?

What did she do anyway? She whored around. If people want to talk about sterilization programs, that's fine, but what else are you looking for?

She committed fraud didn't she?

Just Passin' By 07-16-2009 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5906018)
What would that be?

Put them in jail so they can't raise the child so the state has to do it?

What did she do anyway? She whored around. If people want to talk about sterilization programs, that's fine, but what else are you looking for?

Use them to create Soylent Green.

BigMeatballDave 07-16-2009 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 5905841)
This is just one of those common sense things that should be easily resolved - paternity test says you're not the kid's father? YOU DON'T PAY. THE END. Nothing else makes sense.

I realize the government's looking after the best interest of the child, but sticking some guy just because he was one of many who blew a load in mommy is outrageous. Let the bitch go on welfare if she doesn't know who the real father is. And make her get fixed before she collects anything, too.

This. Exactly. The guy got ****ed and had to go to jail, then gets out and the judge ****s him again by making him pay arrears. Soomeone should rape that judge with a file wrapped with a Brillo pad...

PunkinDrublic 07-16-2009 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockymtnchief (Post 5905994)
I've dated plenty of single moms and had no problems. It's the single ones with no kids who are itching to have a baby that you have to worry about.

I'm through dating women who have to find a sitter to watch their kid everytime you want to see them. It gets to be a pain in the ass and I'm done dealing with them. Plus I'm not paying for somebody elses mistake.

Bwana 07-16-2009 02:52 PM

I seriously think I would go on a shooting spree. What a load of BS.

BigMeatballDave 07-16-2009 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5905917)
The laws are designed to protect the kids, not the adults. But yes, results like this can be infuriating.

I understand protecting children, but these laws screw people more than they help.

Valiant 07-16-2009 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5905917)
The laws are designed to protect the kids, not the adults. But yes, results like this can be infuriating.

Again why not get a simple law that states the dumb bitch needs to find the father..

BigMeatballDave 07-16-2009 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 5905971)
This is one of the reasons why it's not a good idea to date a single mother.

Please explain? My current GF is a single Mom, but she had a tubal.

PunkinDrublic 07-16-2009 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 5906075)
Please explain? My current GF is a single Mom, but she had a tubal.

I've found that it's just more trouble than it's worth. They just can't see you at the drop of a hat and their kid is already going to be top priority. If the kid gets sick they gotta take care of it, if they can't find a sitter you either have to spend time with her and the kid. It sounds like I'm being selfish but if I want to be in a relationship with someone and I'm not married I don't want to constantly be playing second fiddle to their parental responsibility. I damn sure don't want to be paying child support for a kid that's not mine. A single mother has to restrict the amount of time she can see you and when she can see you.

rockymtnchief 07-16-2009 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 5906234)
A single mother has to restrict the amount of time she can see you and when she can see you.

That's even better. It gives you more time to go play with the boys, watch football, etc...:p

notorious 07-16-2009 04:54 PM

Where the hell is Maury when you need him?


Bitch,"I am 110% sure you are his father! Look at him, he looks just like you, Bwaaaaaa!!!"

Dude,"No way."

Crowd," BOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"

Maury,"Dude, ........you are NOT the father......."

Bitch," Whaaaaaaaaaaaa."

Dude,"I'm outta here Bitch"

Halfcan 07-16-2009 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 5906348)
Where the hell is Maury when you need him?


Bitch,"I am 110% sure you are his father! Look at him, he looks just like you, Bwaaaaaa!!!"

Dude,"No way."

Crowd," BOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"

Maury,"Dude, ........you are NOT the father......."

Bitch," Whaaaaaaaaaaaa."

Dude,"I'm outta here Bitch"

ROFL yep they Always say 110% even though there are 6 different guys up on stage that had nailed the ho.

BigMeatballDave 07-16-2009 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 5906234)
I've found that it's just more trouble than it's worth. They just can't see you at the drop of a hat and their kid is already going to be top priority. If the kid gets sick they gotta take care of it, if they can't find a sitter you either have to spend time with her and the kid. It sounds like I'm being selfish but if I want to be in a relationship with someone and I'm not married I don't want to constantly be playing second fiddle to their parental responsibility. I damn sure don't want to be paying child support for a kid that's not mine. A single mother has to restrict the amount of time she can see you and when she can see you.

I see what you're saying. I suspect you have no children. My son is 10, so I understand how things go when dating a single mom. For someone without kids it sucks. Also, there is no way you are going to get suckered into paying child support this way.

JOhn 07-16-2009 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockymtnchief (Post 5905994)
I've dated plenty of single moms and had no problems. It's the single ones with no kids who are itching to have a baby that you have to worry about.

:thumb:

Groves 07-16-2009 06:33 PM

We recently watched "After Innocence", a movie about men getting out of jail after decades behind bars because of DNA evidence clearing them.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0436039/

It was a good movie. That's all I got.

JOhn 07-16-2009 06:36 PM

what's even worse, trying being a single dad & getting the courts to make HER pay the child support she owes!!!::banghead:

F'ing system sucks :cuss:

Mr. Krab 07-16-2009 06:44 PM

Normally i'm not much for sueing but in this case he needs to find out who the real father is and sue him and the mother for every cent he's paid AND will have to pay.

complete bullshit

KChiefs1 07-16-2009 08:09 PM

They are looking out for the kid...they won't bastardize a child.

Just Passin' By 07-16-2009 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 5906611)
They are looking out for the kid...they won't bastardize a child.

They don't give a damn about the kid. They just don't want the government to have to pick up the check.

JohnnyV13 07-17-2009 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 5905631)
I always tell the women I throw the wood to my name is Dane McCloud. Then the bidges pay me support.

I tell them I am Clayton Wendler

007 07-17-2009 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acesn8s (Post 5905433)
Then paternal test should be given at birth. If the bitch can't proove who the father is then she cannot ever receive child support for that child.

Ooooh, more taxpayer dollars there.

Extra Point 07-17-2009 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 5907051)
Ooooh, more taxpayer dollars there.

Yeah, but it opens the door to more fun.

HMc 07-17-2009 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 5905370)
Shit like this infuriates me. He's still gotta pay back $16000 for a child that is not his. BS!

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCtotheSB (Post 5905483)
So, he gets jailed for not paying child support for a child that's not his, is released after it's proved the kid is NOT his....but WAIT!......he still has to pay the $16,000 for past child support?

Superior Court Judge Dan Perkins is an asshole.

Comprehension fail.

BigMeatballDave 07-17-2009 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HMc (Post 5908162)
Comprehension fail.

Thats correct. I completely missed this...
Quote:

Southern Center for Human Rights attorney Sarah Geraghty won Hatley's release at a hearing Wednesday in Superior Court. A court order has also relieved him of his financial obligation to the Georgia Department of Human Resources.


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