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googlegoogle 08-07-2009 12:02 PM

Reason we couldn't run the ball effectively last season?
 
we weren't a team with a vertical passing game? Opposing defenders played closer to the line right?

Reerun_KC 08-07-2009 12:03 PM

Basically it started with Herm and his lack of football fundamentals...

Mr. Krab 08-07-2009 12:07 PM

When your offense doesn't have balance and/or unpredictability is always makes everything look worse.

Dayze 08-07-2009 12:13 PM

when you run the ball on 1st down 97% of the time, it makes it hard to move the LOS to the defensive side.

Combine with virtually zero receiving deep 'threat' (as you mentioned), there was no fear in bringing 8+ into the box.

Skip Towne 08-07-2009 12:16 PM

Herm ran all day long into 9 man fronts against Indy. It never worked but he kept doing it.

DaneMcCloud 08-07-2009 12:42 PM

Um, Niswanger, Smith/Jones & ScIntosh.

If the right side of your offensive line (the power side) can't open holes, your running game is going to suffer.

Especially in the Red Zone.

Football 101.

Titty Meat 08-07-2009 12:43 PM

Not to be a dick but google did you watch the games? It's pretty obvious.

Buehler445 08-07-2009 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5955908)
Basically it started with Herm and his lack of football fundamentals...

Th-Th-Th-Th-This.

Our YPC went up when we went pistol, but that's because nobody expected (nor should they have) us to run. But we still couldn't run it effectively when we needed to.
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Jethopper 08-07-2009 01:39 PM

terrible talent on the OL coupled with 1/3 of a uncarring, out of shape running back corp.

Dottefan 08-07-2009 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5955908)
Basically it started with Herm and his lack of football fundamentals...

THis :clap::clap::clap:

Mecca 08-07-2009 02:37 PM

Um guess what they're still gonna play close to the line the Chiefs don't have any WR that will demand a double, the line isn't good enough to hold blocks long enough for the WR's to get downfield...and we don't have any real vertical threat.

chiefs1111 08-07-2009 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 5955947)
Herm ran all day long into 9 man fronts against Indy. It never worked but he kept doing it.

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

CoMoChief 08-07-2009 03:03 PM

Basically when you're one dimensional like we were last season, it's hard to win, when opposing teams stack the box and have make your 7th rd pick starting QB beat them. No offense to Thigpen last season because I think he did a good job to be honest, but we had to play with the hand that was dealt to us, we didn't have a good Oline to top it off, and it lead to defenses stacking 8-9 people in the box.

LaChapelle 08-07-2009 03:26 PM

Next on googlegoogle:
The reason Herm and Carl were axed?
Why do you all think Herm and Carl were axed?

BossChief 08-07-2009 04:47 PM

I think if it werent for Adrian Jones and Herm Edwards we would have had a top ranked rushing game in terms of yardage and general production.

Let me explain.

Herm not only ran into 8-9 man fronts but wouldnt deviate his playcalling enough to stop attacking the right a gap when we were clearly outmatched when doing so. Foolish.

We ended with the second highest per carry average rushing in the NFL (according to nfl.com), so we were productive, just not consistant.

Having Haley instead of Herm and Goff inwtead of Jones should help us return to having an effective and productive rushing attack.

chiefzilla1501 08-07-2009 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 5956857)
I think if it werent for Adrian Jones and Herm Edwards we would have had a top ranked rushing game in terms of yardage and general production.

Let me explain.

Herm not only ran into 8-9 man fronts but wouldnt deviate his playcalling enough to stop attacking the right a gap when we were clearly outmatched when doing so. Foolish.

We ended with the second highest per carry average rushing in the NFL (according to nfl.com), so we were productive, just not consistant.

Having Haley instead of Herm and Goff inwtead of Jones should help us return to having an effective and productive rushing attack.

Nonsense.

The Chiefs have a center who is too tall for the position and a right tackle who isn't strong enough to play the position. Mike Goff will help, but it's not going to take away our complete inability to run to the right side.

And given that our protection will probably be just as spotty as last year, I can see Haley being forced to run more shotgun sets. And if he runs more shotgun sets, LJ is not going to fare well.

Our run offense is probably going to be mediocre this year. I'm fine with that, but we have to be realistic.

Mr. Krab 08-07-2009 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5956869)
Nonsense.

The Chiefs have a center who is too tall for the position and a right tackle who isn't strong enough to play the position. Mike Goff will help, but it's not going to take away our complete inability to run to the right side.

And given that our protection will probably be just as spotty as last year, I can see Haley being forced to run more shotgun sets. And if he runs more shotgun sets, LJ is not going to fare well.

Our run offense is probably going to be mediocre this year. I'm fine with that, but we have to be realistic.

Niswanger isn't too tall, he just isn't strong enough and/or doesn't know how to use leverage well properly.

Goldmember 08-07-2009 06:58 PM

I may be wrong, but didn't it seem that the Chiefs moved the ball well in the first half most of the games and even had the lead going into halftime? It seems that they couldn't do shit in the second half though and blew games they could have won.

Reerun_KC 08-07-2009 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5956438)
Um guess what they're still gonna play close to the line the Chiefs don't have any WR that will demand a double, the line isn't good enough to hold blocks long enough for the WR's to get downfield...and we don't have any real vertical threat.

But Devard Darling is going to set the NFL on fire... You know he is catching the eyes of Haley...

KcMizzou 08-07-2009 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5957128)
You know he is catching the ire of Haley...

fyp

KC Jones 08-07-2009 07:37 PM

... because we aren't very good? hmmm... I should be more specific. We lacked the players, coaches, and game calling to field an effective offense?

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-07-2009 09:57 PM

George Costanza.

ArrowheadMagic 08-07-2009 10:00 PM

We ran the ball well on the draws when down by 20...... dont see the problem.

Reerun_KC 08-07-2009 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 5957391)
We ran the ball well on the draws when down by 20...... dont see the problem.

Wasnt that the way Hermzilla padded the stat book...


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