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Pneuma 08-26-2009 02:11 PM

Top 10: Regrettable NFL Offseason Decisions
 
No.1 - Kansas City Chiefs trade for Matt Cassel

A silent alarm should have sounded for the Chiefs when the New England Patriots sold off “franchise” Matt Cassel for such a cheap price. Getting good value from Bill Belichick is like getting a good deal from a greasy used-car salesman: you’re lucky if you get what you pay for.

Cassel looked shiny and nice while he was on Belichick’s lot, but so have many players. Belichick makes his squad into overachievers and then sells high, only to see his parts fail elsewhere. See: Deion Branch, David Givens and Ty Law.

The Chiefs also signed Cassel to the richest contract in franchise history before he even played a snap, which may have been premature. A simple six-month test drive wouldn’t have hurt.

He has ”bust” written all over him and his early struggles in training camp are just the early evidence that the Chiefs got a lemon.

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/sports/...decisions.html

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While I don't agree with the long term signing, I don't think it deserves #1.

Bane 08-26-2009 02:12 PM

WOW!

Brock 08-26-2009 02:13 PM

Talk about a worst case scenario.

Demonpenz 08-26-2009 02:13 PM

1 and 1a the chiefs don't draft sanchez

Bane 08-26-2009 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 6003161)
1 and 1a the chiefs don't draft sanchez

Wont take long to figure this one out that's for sure.

Hammock Parties 08-26-2009 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pneuma (Post 6003151)
The Chiefs also signed Cassel to the richest contract in franchise history before he even played a snap, which may have been premature. A simple six-month test drive wouldn’t have hurt.

He has ”bust” written all over him and his early struggles in training camp are just the early evidence that the Chiefs got a lemon.

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/sports/...decisions.html

This guy is a ****in' reerun who probably hasn't watched Cassel play more than a couple games.

Deberg_1990 08-26-2009 02:14 PM

Cassel is clearly a bust after 2 preseason games.

Reerun_KC 08-26-2009 02:14 PM

OH boy, I truly truly hope that Mark Castle proves everyone wrong...

IF NOT, this ****ing server is going to get hammered this year on Sundays...

The meltdown will be disasterly...

Buck 08-26-2009 02:15 PM

Has anyone already decided to nickname the Chiefs OL "The Moat"????

Mecca 08-26-2009 02:15 PM

That one isn't surprising although I find it odd they have Owens 2nd.

Hammock Parties 08-26-2009 02:15 PM

Here is the douchebag who wrote this tripe:

http://hardcoresportsradio.com/membe...v/default.aspx

http://www.facebook.com/profile/pic....Q6s7hSa6Zooz6Y

Reerun_KC 08-26-2009 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 6003161)
1 and 1a the chiefs don't draft sanchez

We didnt?

Well thanks for telling me, I was looking forward to watching him. Now might as well cancel my sunday ticket.

MMXcalibur 08-26-2009 02:16 PM

Top Regrettable NFL Offseason Decision from AskWomen.com: Being a hostess for Ben Roethlisberger

Reerun_KC 08-26-2009 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6003174)
Here is the douchebag who wrote this tripe:

http://hardcoresportsradio.com/resiz...BEKJD1B3VE.jpg

I am surprised your not stalking him, trying to have sex with him...

Demonpenz 08-26-2009 02:16 PM

there is one thing we can all agree on. askmen.com knows their shit

OnTheWarpath15 08-26-2009 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pneuma (Post 6003151)
No.1 - Kansas City Chiefs trade for Matt Cassel

A silent alarm should have sounded for the Chiefs when the New England Patriots sold off “franchise” Matt Cassel for such a cheap price. Getting good value from Bill Belichick is like getting a good deal from a greasy used-car salesman: you’re lucky if you get what you pay for.

Good point.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Pneuma (Post 6003151)
Cassel looked shiny and nice while he was on Belichick’s lot, but so have many players. Belichick makes his squad into overachievers and then sells high, only to see his parts fail elsewhere. See: Deion Branch, David Givens and Ty Law.

Another good point.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Pneuma (Post 6003151)
The Chiefs also signed Cassel to the richest contract in franchise history before he even played a snap, which may have been premature. A simple six-month test drive wouldn’t have hurt.

Best point of all.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Pneuma (Post 6003151)
He has ”bust” written all over him and his early struggles in training camp are just the early evidence that the Chiefs got a lemon.

****ing stupid. He hasn't lit up the scoreboard, but considering the OL struggles, he's looked decent.

I've never thought he'll be a "bust", but I don't think he'll ever perform to the level of a franchise QB.

Gonzo 08-26-2009 02:16 PM

Ty Law was old!

Branch got injured but was still fairly productive.

This **** stick is just trying to get a Nathanesque jump on a story so he can say, "See!!! I was right!!!!"
THE DEAL IS DONE.

one who sucks the penis.

Mecca 08-26-2009 02:16 PM

I actually think most of those belong on there going through that list...

Demonpenz 08-26-2009 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 6003175)
We didnt?

Well thanks for telling me, I was looking forward to watching him. Now might as well cancel my sunday ticket.

I hope sanchez makes the chiefs look stupid and wins super bowls

KCrockaholic 08-26-2009 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pneuma (Post 6003151)
No.1 - Kansas City Chiefs trade for Matt Cassel

A silent alarm should have sounded for the Chiefs when the New England Patriots sold off “franchise” Matt Cassel for such a cheap price. Getting good value from Bill Belichick is like getting a good deal from a greasy used-car salesman: you’re lucky if you get what you pay for.

Cassel looked shiny and nice while he was on Belichick’s lot, but so have many players. Belichick makes his squad into overachievers and then sells high, only to see his parts fail elsewhere. See: Deion Branch, David Givens and Ty Law.

The Chiefs also signed Cassel to the richest contract in franchise history before he even played a snap, which may have been premature. A simple six-month test drive wouldn’t have hurt.

He has ”bust” written all over him and his early struggles in training camp are just the early evidence that the Chiefs got a lemon.

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/sports/...decisions.html

___________________


While I don't agree with the long term signing, I don't think it deserves #1.


ROFL BTW Ty Law had 10 interceptions his first year after the Pats cut him.

Mecca 08-26-2009 02:18 PM

His entire point is very solid aside from the preseason one..

Law got picks but got beat a ton after leaving the Pats and Deion Branch has been a total bum.

OnTheWarpath15 08-26-2009 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6003187)
ROFL BTW Ty Law had 10 interceptions his first year after the Pats cut him.

And many of them were Larry Brown Super Bowl XXX-esque.

He had clearly lost a step or four at that point.

Reerun_KC 08-26-2009 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 6003186)
I hope sanchez makes the chiefs look stupid and wins super bowls

I hope sanchez takes your true fan stick and shoves it where the sun doesnt shine...

LMAO

Mr_Tomahawk 08-26-2009 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pneuma (Post 6003151)
No.1 - Kansas City Chiefs trade for Matt Cassel

The Chiefs also signed Cassel to the richest contract in franchise history before he even played a snap, which may have been premature. A simple six-month test drive wouldn’t have hurt.

I think this post is premature.

CrazyPhuD 08-26-2009 02:21 PM

Ok here's where the article is 110% wrong, he could be a huge bust and it still wouldn't be anywhere near the worst offseason decision? Why? Cassel's signing by the chiefs directly caused the bronco's implosion....

That alone is a great outcome. :D

Mecca 08-26-2009 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 6003198)
I think this post is premature.

He's giving his views on what moves he thinks will blow up in teams faces...

If I did the list he has atleast 5 of the ones I would have put on there.

Reerun_KC 08-26-2009 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6003182)
Good point.




Another good point.




Best point of all.




****ing stupid. He hasn't lit up the scoreboard, but considering the OL struggles, he's looked decent.

I've never thought he'll be a "bust", but I don't think he'll ever perform to the level of a franchise QB.

Well alot of good points, only thing that concerns me is I wish they would of test drove him for the 1 year, then signed him IF he preformed as expected..

I will support him fully, guy needs a chance, just wasnt thrilled when we took the big payday for him without seeing how he can preform without the NE type of players...

Mecca 08-26-2009 02:23 PM

I'd probably put the Cassel move 3rd on the list..

The McDaniels and Delhomme ones are worse.

dirk digler 08-26-2009 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6003184)
I actually think most of those belong on there going through that list...

Yep except the suspensions by Goodell and obviously the Cassell one :harumph:

Mecca 08-26-2009 02:25 PM

I don't think the Owens one belongs on there either, he'll do fine in Buffalo.

TFG 08-26-2009 02:25 PM

Is it just me or are the coaches and FO people from the Pats just so unbelievably arrogant that they simply believe that, whatever is on the roster, a 3-4 and a new QB are the solution? I mean, what on Earth would convince anyone that the Chiefs needed to go 3-4? A: Patriotic arrogance. Same in Denver too. Anyone and everyone ever to stand within a few feet of Bill Belichick is just an unreal genius who knows that the way to success in the NFL is to switch to a 3-4 regardless of what talent is on the roster and then give up anything and everything for a USC backup QB, including that no-good Jay Cutler.



My Chief offseason:

FIX THE OL = 1) Eugene Monroe ... and undrafteds Darryl Harris and Edwin Williams, and likely Jamon Meredith with that Round 5er. Yeah, hindsight is... OK, I would have Drafted all of those higher... and kept the 4-3, kept Jason Babin who was showing something, and grabbed Ron Brace in Round 2 to pair with Dorsey and STOP THE RUN...


The Pioli strategy has to be questioned. The OL was the overwhelming #1 need, and what... Colin Brown in Round 5, Goff as a UFA??? Man, that just doesn't exactly impress me at all. I'd call that the #1 goof or "regrettable decision" this offseason, with Cassel a Chief behind the goof of the attempt to make Cassel the Bronco...

Mecca 08-26-2009 02:27 PM

Well...all of the NE assistants have failed and failed miserably except for Thomas Dmitrof down in Atlanta but he actually drafted a QB with his first pick.

They're also still in a 4-3.

CosmicPal 08-26-2009 02:27 PM

Had this been a Carl trade, I would've agreed.

However, I have faith that Pioli knows what he's doing here, since, after all, he was working with the Pats last season and should know.

KCrockaholic 08-26-2009 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6003195)
And many of them were Larry Brown Super Bowl XXX-esque.

He had clearly lost a step or four at that point.

True, but that still doesnt help this guys point. Hes trying to name off players who had bad careers after the Pats. Law had 10 picks. I dont care if it was Larry Brown esque, 10 turnovers is 10 turnovers. After that season he came to KC so we could help run his career to the ground. Deion Branch hasnt been as bad as he makes it out to be also. Branch is old, and a servicable 3rd option on most teams.

Huffman83 08-26-2009 02:28 PM

When you look at the list...you're basically seeing every transaction that was made in the off season that was actually "news."

While I worry that Cassel is Scott Mitchell V2.0. I see the guy is talented and has a good agent because there's no way he's worth that much money YET! (bring KC to the AFC championship game 3 years in a row minimum...then he's worth it.) But consider someone a bust after the fact but not before the season even starts

Hammock Parties 08-26-2009 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TFG (Post 6003225)

FIX THE OL = 1) Eugene Monroe ...

http://i32.tinypic.com/vhyzr6.gif

Mecca 08-26-2009 02:29 PM

His plan may suck but he has a point about the unbridled arrogance of the NE assistants.

The Franchise 08-26-2009 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6003240)

I'm stealing that......ROFL

Gonzo 08-26-2009 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6003240)

http://i41.tinypic.com/3168axl.jpg

OnTheWarpath15 08-26-2009 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6003237)
True, but that still doesnt help this guys point. Hes trying to name off players who had bad careers after the Pats. Law had 10 picks. I dont care if it was Larry Brown esque, 10 turnovers is 10 turnovers. After that season he came to KC so we could help run his career to the ground. Deion Branch hasnt been as bad as he makes it out to be also. Branch is old, and a servicable 3rd option on most teams.

If you've paid any attention to the Patriots Way, his point is extremely valid, though you'll continue to disagree.

The Pats are IMO the best in the league at getting the most out of players, and then getting rid of them the year before their skills rapidly decline.

There's even a blurb in Patriot Reign where they talk about how they "just know" when the right time is to cut guys loose.

In recent memory, Asante Samuel is the only guy they've cut loose that actually played at a similar level to his play in NE - but it's only been one year.

KCrockaholic 08-26-2009 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6003267)
If you've paid any attention to the Patriots Way, his point is extremely valid, though you'll continue to disagree.

The Pats are IMO the best in the league at getting the most out of players, and then getting rid of them the year before their skills rapidly decline.

There's even a blurb in Patriot Reign where they talk about how they "just know" when the right time is to cut guys loose.

In recent memory, Asante Samuel is the only guy they've cut loose that actually played at a similar level to his play in NE - but it's only been one year.

I totally agree with this, but I dont see how this makes Ty Laws 2005 season a so called "fail"??

OnTheWarpath15 08-26-2009 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6003276)
I totally agree with this, but I dont see how this makes Ty Laws 2005 season a so called "fail"??

Seeing as how the writer calls Law's CAREER AFTER New England a "fail", I'm not sure where you get the idea that 2005 makes up for the rest of it.

Overall, Law was well past his prime after NE, and showed it.

They got rid of him at the perfect time.

Dante84 08-26-2009 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding (Post 6003169)
Has anyone already decided to nickname the Chiefs OL "The Moat"????

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthrea...=212237&page=2

Just Passin' By 08-26-2009 02:44 PM

Terrible article, to put it kindly. Probably the #1 regrettable decision that the author's made in weeks was to post that horseshit with his name on it.

Hammock Parties 08-26-2009 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6003308)
Terrible article, to put it kindly. Probably the #1 regrettable decision that the author's made in weeks was to post that horseshit with his name on it.

It's from Ask****ingMen.com

What do you expect?

There are more insightful things written on this very forum.

OnTheWarpath15 08-26-2009 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding (Post 6003169)
Has anyone already decided to nickname the Chiefs OL "The Moat"????

A moat protects a castle.

Our OL does not protect Cassel.

KCrockaholic 08-26-2009 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6003283)
Seeing as how the writer calls Law's CAREER AFTER New England a "fail", I'm not sure where you get the idea that 2005 makes up for the rest of it.

Overall, Law was well past his prime after NE, and showed it.

They got rid of him at the perfect time.

Yes but hes trying to compare this to Cassel. Cassel is what 27? Not an overaged Conerback. They didnt get rid of Cassel because his tools were warped thanks to old age. Comparing Ty Law and Cassel are stupid and thats what the writer did. Same goes for Branch they got rid of him because he was getting older. Cassel doesnt fit those categories.

Mecca 08-26-2009 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6003315)
Yes but hes trying to compare this to Cassel. Cassel is what 27? Not an overaged Conerback. They didnt get rid of Cassel because his tools were warped thanks to old age. Comparing Ty Law and Cassel are stupid and thats what the writer did. Same goes for Branch they got rid of him because he was getting older. Cassel doesnt fit those categories.

Give me an NE player that has succeeded after leaving there, old or young.

OnTheWarpath15 08-26-2009 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6003315)
Yes but hes trying to compare this to Cassel. Cassel is what 27? Not an overaged Conerback. They didnt get rid of Cassel because his tools were warped thanks to old age. Comparing Ty Law and Cassel are stupid and thats what the writer did. Same goes for Branch they got rid of him because he was getting older. Cassel doesnt fit those categories.

They got rid of him because they are ****ing geniuses.

Not only do they not have to pay him $15M to be a backup, they get a 2nd round pick to go with it.

OnTheWarpath15 08-26-2009 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6003320)
Give me an NE player that has succeeded after leaving there, old or young.

So far, Asante Samuel is the only one I can think of that has kept his level of play.

T-post Tom 08-26-2009 02:51 PM

Hi,

I'm a blogger. I've never played organized football. I like to post on-line entries regarding 'Wrestlemania'. I know more about football than Scott Pioli and Todd Haley. Matt Cassel sucks. And you should believe me because I'm a blogger. Did I mention that I'm Canadian?

Your Friend,

Sound & Fury

Just Passin' By 08-26-2009 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6003320)
Give me an NE player that has succeeded after leaving there, old or young.

How many do you really need?

Samuel is a very recent example.

unothadeal 08-26-2009 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding (Post 6003169)
Has anyone already decided to nickname the Chiefs OL "The Moat"????

Lol. Because it's a bridge to the "Cassel" i get it

Mecca 08-26-2009 02:52 PM

Samuel is 1 year removed from NE...

If you wanted to give a #1 for bad moves over the last 5 years in the NFL you could sum it with 1 line "the arrogance of NE assistants"

Just Passin' By 08-26-2009 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6003351)
Samuel is 1 year removed from NE...

If you wanted to give a #1 for bad moves over the last 5 years in the NFL you could sum it with 1 line "the arrogance of NE assistants"

Sure you could. You'd be wrong, but you could do it.

rockymtnchief 08-26-2009 02:54 PM

I would've expected "Drafting Crabtree" to make the list.

Mecca 08-26-2009 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6003361)
Sure you could. You'd be wrong, but you could do it.

Really, cause the NE assistants aren't arrogant?

The only one that has succeeded is the one who didn't trade for a QB or make his team switch to 3-4 or start talking about Patriot way bullshit.

KCrockaholic 08-26-2009 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6003320)
Give me an NE player that has succeeded after leaving there, old or young.

To be fair Willie McGinest has played well taking into account his age. We will see how Hobbs does. Asante Samuel. Eugene Wilson also played well when he wasnt injured.

They are smart about who to keep and who to get rid of. Since Cassel is a QB they knew his value would never be higher than what it was this off-season considering Tom Brady is the starter. They did the smart thing in trading him to KC. Now, that doesnt mean he will become a bust.

T-post Tom 08-26-2009 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6003340)
How many do you really need?

Samuel is a very recent example.

Ty Law did quite well in 2005 with the Jets. He set a personal season best with 10 ints. He played all 16 games. He had 45 tackles with 17 assists. Damn impressive. Of course, Carl Peterson's & Jason Whitlock's endorsement for a job in KC doomed any hope of additional success after 2005. :D

KCrockaholic 08-26-2009 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 6003376)
Ty Law did quite well in 2005 with the Jets. He set a personal season best with 10 ints. He played all 16 games. He had 45 tackles with 17 assists. Damn impressive. Of course, Carl Peterson's & Jason Whitlock's endorsement for a job in KC doomed any hope of additional success after 2005. :D

No offense, lets not get back into this again.

Rooster 08-26-2009 03:07 PM

ROFLROFL Askmen.com has the best sports in the business. They almost make GoChiefs look legit. ROFLROFL

Chief Pote 08-26-2009 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pneuma (Post 6003151)
No.1 - Kansas City Chiefs trade for Matt Cassel

A silent alarm should have sounded for the Chiefs when the New England Patriots sold off “franchise” Matt Cassel for such a cheap price. Getting good value from Bill Belichick is like getting a good deal from a greasy used-car salesman: you’re lucky if you get what you pay for.

Cassel looked shiny and nice while he was on Belichick’s lot, but so have many players. Belichick makes his squad into overachievers and then sells high, only to see his parts fail elsewhere. See: Deion Branch, David Givens and Ty Law.

The Chiefs also signed Cassel to the richest contract in franchise history before he even played a snap, which may have been premature. A simple six-month test drive wouldn’t have hurt.

He has ”bust” written all over him and his early struggles in training camp are just the early evidence that the Chiefs got a lemon.

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/sports/...decisions.html

___________________


While I don't agree with the long term signing, I don't think it deserves #1.

You should be neg repped for posting this shit from a joke writer. :evil:

Just Passin' By 08-26-2009 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6003368)
Really, cause the NE assistants aren't arrogant?

The only one that has succeeded is the one who didn't trade for a QB or make his team switch to 3-4 or start talking about Patriot way bullshit.

Crennel's struggles weren't because he was arrogant.
Weis isn't in the NFL, but won early when he had good players.
McDaniels' team hasn't even played a real game yet.

Mecca 08-26-2009 03:10 PM

If you think Notre Dame has bad players I beg you to go look at their recruiting classes.

KCrockaholic 08-26-2009 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6003427)
If you think Notre Dame has bad players I beg you to go look at their recruiting classes.

Lou Holtz already has his head up Jimmy Clausens anus.

Just Passin' By 08-26-2009 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6003427)
If you think Notre Dame has bad players I beg you to go look at their recruiting classes.

Ty's last recruiting classes were absolute horseshit.

KCrockaholic 08-26-2009 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6003441)
Ty's last recruiting classes were absolute horseshit.

This years class is lookin pretty nice for ND.

Meccas got you beat on the NE assistant arguement.

WildTurkey 08-26-2009 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6003421)
Crennel's struggles weren't because he was arrogant.
Weis isn't in the NFL, but won early when he had good players.
McDaniels' team hasn't even played a real game yet.

and all of those were coaches, so far the one front office guy who has moved on has done pretty well for himself, and we hired his former boss, so I fail to see how Crennel, Mangina and McKid sucking as coaches (McKid..TBD) has anything to do with Pioli....

DaWolf 08-26-2009 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6003368)
Really, cause the NE assistants aren't arrogant?

The only one that has succeeded is the one who didn't trade for a QB or make his team switch to 3-4 or start talking about Patriot way bullshit.

Come on, Dimitrioff has talked about the "Patriot Way" a lot if you actually listen to him talking. For example:

Quote:

And so I asked him this morning: What do you take from New England coach Bill Belichick and VP of player personnel Scott Pioli into your new job?

"Bill and Scott had this philosophy, and you've heard it,'' said Dimitroff, who seems to delight in walking the halls here very far under the radar. " 'Do your job.' It falls in line with their team concept, and I think it works very well as an organizational philosophy. If everybody does what they do to the best of their ability without worrying about anybody else, we're going to get the job done collectively.

"The second thing I take from New England is system-specific scouting. You grade players for your own team, not for the how others in the league might see them. It doesn't matter if we have a player graded as a first-rounder and some other team has him in the sixth. You have to have the courage of your convictions and know you might have different needs with different kinds of players than other teams.

"The thing about Bill and Scott that I admired about their relationship is how honest they could be in their discussions about players. If they were at loggerheads on a player, they'd move on to another player, because they trusted each other's opinion so much. And I appreciated how they'd use different ways to build their team. Just when you think you've got them figured out -- you know, the 'Patriot Way' -- they'd pull something you wouldn't expect.''

"Like the Randy Moss deal?'' I asked.

"Yeah,'' he said. "Like building their team whatever way it took to win. Being flexible. Being adaptable. There are some guys in the business who say, 'These are my draft picks, and we're staying right where we are and we're making the picks.' You might think that breeds confidence in the organization. But what I think it does is breed hesitation.''

Hesitation to change when change is the right thing, he meant.
You take that quote and match it up with anything Pioli has said and it's the same thing.

Second, as far as the QB, you can't compare Matt Ryan to Sanchez yet. Ryan was a senior starter and they had a lot more info on him at the time. Plus, the franchise had just been rocked by the Vick thing and they needed a new face of the franchise, and you'd be fooling yourself if you didn't think that Arthur Blank wasn't pushing them to pick the QB, especially after listening to Blank in the offseason...

Pitt Gorilla 08-26-2009 03:57 PM

The Cassel deal was a steal. He will be very good.

Ultra Peanut 08-26-2009 04:13 PM

I'm sorry, but there is no ****ing way that trading for and overpaying a decent QB is dumber than offending a franchise QB with a full decade ahead of him to the point that you have to trade him and FAILING to acquire aforementioned decent QB in the process.

Red Dawg 08-26-2009 04:15 PM

So over night Scott has gone from the most respected NFL man to a stupid NFL front man because Matt has "so called" looked bad in practice? What a joke.

Hammock Parties 08-26-2009 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 6003641)
So over night Scott has gone from the most respected NFL man to a stupid NFL front man because Matt has "so called" looked bad in practice? What a joke.

DAVE GOLOKHOV SUCKS

SenselessChiefsFan 08-26-2009 04:28 PM

Wow.... two months ago, it was one of the 'best' moves.

Now, this guy thinks it's one of the worst.

Sorry, but the trade for Cassel was a good move.

The contract he got is barely above average for a starting QB. So, the contract wasn't a bad move.

The Chiefs were on the hook for 14 million anyways.

If Cassel had had a good year, the Chiefs would have to pay much more than that..... or franchise him again, which would have given him the same amount over two years that is currently guaranteed.

The Jared Allen situation developed because the Chiefs lacked the forethought to lock him up before his contract was up.

Just because the old regime thought it was great to let the players get to a contract year and let negotiations hit an impasse before actually trying to work a deal, doesn't mean that is what the smart teams do.

Now, the Chiefs are way under the cap. Pioli knows Cassel. The other person who knows him is McDaniels.... who also tried to get him.

The Pats didn't want to pay the $14 million. The Chiefs offered less than what the Broncos and Lions were going to offer, but the Chiefs jumped quickly and the Pats wanted the deal done.

This may be a stupid move down the line, but very few could look at this objectively and call it one of the top ten worst moves in the NFL offseason.

DBOSHO 08-26-2009 04:28 PM

Apparently they dont follow the Donks that well...

Pasta Little Brioni 08-26-2009 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut (Post 6003636)
I'm sorry, but there is no ****ing way that trading for and overpaying a decent QB is dumber than offending a franchise QB with a full decade ahead of him to the point that you have to trade him and FAILING to acquire aforementioned decent QB in the process.

Kyle Orton is a FRANCHISE QB and that was the greatest move in league history...."KnowHomer2724"

DBOSHO 08-26-2009 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 6003695)
Kyle Orton is a FRANCHISE QB and that was the greatest move in league history...."KnowHomer2724"

no. how about sports HISTORY?

oaklandhater 08-26-2009 04:39 PM

The funny thing about this thread is that in 2 year's if cassle bust Gochiefs and sensiblechiefsfan
wont ever come back in here or post on the subject at all spineless homers.....

Swanman 08-26-2009 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6003174)

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a more punchable face.

Titty Meat 08-26-2009 04:41 PM

The dude has "bust" written all over his face.


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