Who is the greatest American villain?
 

A Charles Manson reference in another thread got me thinking about this. Who is the greatest villain in American history, the one that will draw the most ire from any right-thinking American?

Give me some options and I'll put up a poll. Nominees can come from any category: war, politics, crime, business, finance, celebrity, sports, child care, Benetton models, comic strip artists (Bil Keane, anyone?), or others. Give me your best shot.

The rules:

1. We're talking true villainy here. Villainy where you can't really defend anything the person did at a dinner party without getting winces.

2. We're talking national scale. Remember, the kicker that shall go unnamed is a hero in Indianapolis.

3. Real life only. While many may villainize Elmer Fudd for his relentless and brazen murderous stalking of Bugs Bunny, Mr. Fudd does not actually exist, and therefore any villainous acts committed by Mr. Fudd do not exist, either.

4. The villain must be an American citizen, or if their villainy took place before 1783, a resident of the area that would eventually become the United State AND acting against the United States for villainous reasons rather than sincere loyalty to another country in conflict with nascent American liberty movements or peoples and in the absence of a history of loyalty to American causes.

Once I get 20 reasonable candidates, I'll post the poll.

Two words...O. J.

Marlo Stanfield.

Dick Cheney....


right?

George Bush Jr.

Osama bin Laden is the obvious choice.

Bernie Madoff too.

This guy:

I'd say Timothy McVeigh belongs on the list.

After some initial research on the Stanfield nomination, I'll offer a rule revision that the villain must actually exist in real life. But thank you for your excellent nomination.

Ted Bundy
Timothy McVeigh (my choice)

No such person exists. Maybe you mean George W. Bush the son of George H.W. Bush. Never was a "Jr."

Beat me to it.

John Wilkes Booth

Wait, do they have to be American, or just a villain to America?

Joseph McCarthy.

Lee Harvey Oswald.

Al Davis.

Richard Nixon.

Yup. I was going to post a serious one, too. And he was my choice.

Benedict Arnold.

Maybe FDR.

Wait, what?

Take it back!

Good question. After deliberation with the selection committee, it has to be an American citizen. Otherwise, we'd just end up with the same ol' Hitler, Pol Pot, french people list.

Also, does it have to be a person?

Are Swine Flu / West Nile Virus / Poverty / Hunger / Racism acceptable answers?

Well I guess that answers that.

Dubya. I think he will be hated for a long time.

Jeffrey Dahmer

Great General....What happens to the Revolution without his work/leadership at
Ticonderoga and Saratoga. We lose.
Geese one little act of treason and the dude gets no credit.

Yeah, it's funny how that works, isn't it?

So Benedict Arnold is out? No US no US citizen.

We'll have an exception for people living on the American continent prior to 1783 in areas that would eventually become U.S. territory.

BTK

How about Clay???? (Just kidding) Or better yet Nick Athan (not kidding)

Any one of these guys.

Jim Jones?

+1

Charles Manson.

john wayne gacy

the green river killer (I think they eventually found out who it was)

the zodiac killer.

hell, almost any serial killer would do.

What was the name of that broad who killed a bunch of people with an axe years ago? Not that I think she's in the running, mind you. I just can't remember her name. There's a kids' song about her?

Lizzie Borden?

Vanilla Ice.

David Richard Berkowitz the Son of Sam.

hi, my name's charlie. charlie manson.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/so...rliemanson.JPG

Lizzie Borden I do believe.

yep, lizzie borden is the name of that particular piece of fluff.

I think its Mary Faye Tucker

only reason I remember because somebody on the radio back then accidentally said Mary Taye ****er.

Edit: Per google "Karla Faye Tucker"

The Unabomber.

:deevee:

Good suggestion. :thumb:

Carrot Top and Pauly Shore






and yes........I'm being serious.

Andrea Yates is a pretty heinous bitch. Drowing 5 kids in a bathtub earns you a special place in hell, IMO.

Herm Edwards the destroyer of football teams.

Yes...had an axe...gave her mother 40 whacks...when she saw what she had done she gave her father 41.

First woman to use PMS as a defense and won.

she was pretty hot though

the uni-booboo?

http://pics.livejournal.com/kuro_ris...7f4x0/s320x240

He said "American citizen" so yeah they have to be American.

I'll say Michael Bay

Rush Limbaugh

John Elway

The two girls' cup.

He didn't say that until after I asked him, but thanks for playing.

EDWARD GEIN

Buffalo Bill, Psycho and Leatherface

On November 17, 1957, police in Plainfield, Wisconsin arrived at the dilapidated farmhouse of Eddie Gein, who was a suspect in the robbery of a local hardware store and disappearance of the owner, Bernice Worden. Gein had been the last customer at the hardware store and had been seen loitering around the premises.

Gein's desolate farmhouse was a study in chaos. Inside, junk and rotting garbage covered the floor and counters. It was almost impossible to walk through the rooms. The smell of filth and decomposition was overwhelming. While the local sheriff, Arthur Schley, inspected the kitchen with his flashlight, he felt something brush against his jacket.

When he looked up to see what it was he ran into, he faced a large, dangling carcass hanging upside down from the beams. The carcass had been decapitated, slit open and gutted. An ugly sight to be sure, but a familiar one in that deer-hunting part of the country, especially during deer season.

It took a few moments to sink in, but soon Schley realized that it wasn't a deer at all, it was the headless butchered body of a woman. Bernice Worden, the fifty-year-old mother of his deputy Frank Worden, had been found. While the shocked deputies searched through the rubble of Eddie Gein's existence, they realized that the horrible discoveries didn't end at Mrs. Worden's body. They had stumbled into a death farm. The funny-looking bowl was a top of a human skull. The lampshades and wastebasket were made from human skin. A ghoulish inventory began to take shape: an armchair made of human skin, female genitalia kept preserved in a shoebox, a belt made of nipples, a human head, four noses and a heart. The more they looked through the house, the more ghastly trophies they found. Finally a suit made entirely of human skin. Their heads spun as they tried to tally the number of women that may have died at Eddie's hands.

All of this bizarre handicraft made Eddie into a celebrity. Author Robert Bloch was inspired to write a story about Norman Bates, a character based on Eddie, which became the central theme of the Alfred Hitchcock's classic thriller Psycho. In 1974, the classic thriller by Tobe Hooper, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, has many Geinian touches, although there is no character that is an exact Eddie Gein model. This movie helped put "Ghastly Gein" back in the spotlight in the mid-1970's. Years later, Eddie provided inspiration for the character of another serial killer, Buffalo Bill in The Silence of the Lambs. Like Eddie, Buffalo Bill treasured women's skin and wore it like clothing in some insane transvestite ritual.

I'll second john elway. and he'd ****ing win the poll too.

James Earl Ray

I wasnt aware of that. My deepest apologies.:rolleyes:

The kicker not to be named.

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Dubya. the guy should be rotting away in jail. Instead he's my ****ing neighbor. :cuss:

How close does he live to you?

Barack Obama

The Zodiac
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Tyler Thigpen

I was thinking she'd be a good choice, or anyone else who hurts kids.

You're all naming serial killers. How about somebody who actually impacted the nation? Wall Street comes to mind, not sure who's responsible for that. What about the automakers in the '70s and '80s who stopped productive research on electric cars so they'd get more oil profits, further destroying our environment? What about Bernie Madoff or bank CEOs?

Surely there are people who know their history better than me, but serial killers just don't affect that many people. What they do is heinous, but to most they're just stories and the impact isn't really felt.

She kind of took the spotlight off Susan Smith.

I live up in Lewisville, he lives down in the Highland Park area. I actually met a bartender who ran into him and the secret service while biking one of the trails in the city. Showed me a cell phone pic he had taken with him.

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing. Serial killers don't affect "Americans." They only affect a very small population- mostly in the single digits.

I was thinking Madoff and/or the guy who took over Qwest- he totally *****ed a lot of people over on their money.

Madoff was a POS but those people who were bilked out of there money by him were a victim of their own greed. If someone promises you those kinds of returns a red flag should go up.

So raw numbers trump all?

Sorry, but this little contest includes only murderers in my mind. You kill one person in cold blood and you are beyond Bernie Madoff in terms of pure villany.

Pecuniary loss sucks, it sucks long and it sucks hard, but murder is the end all/be all of human degredation.

ANYBODY WHO DON'T STAND UP FER THE PLEDGE WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Who ever killed Tupac!!!!
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what no love for biggie?

WESTSIDE!!!! LMAO.
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Andrew Jackson.