Why are Copper and Lawrence still on this team?
 

I had hoped that this new administration would be above the game of "keep the guy because he's MY GUY" bullshit. I guess they aren't because imo Lelie showed more in 2 weeks that both copper and lawrence showed all preseason combined.

Didn't lawrence have more drops then catches?


wtf?!?

Is Toomer still around?

Eh, I'd agree, but do keep in mind that Lelie was playing against 4th string guys most of the time.

Because you are not the GM Mr. Krab



Thank you for playing.

Then why didn't he play against the 1st/2nd string a couple times to see what happened?

*sighs* Because they probably aren't done adding players and will release more when those waiver moves become effective.

This is not our opening day roster, folks.

it shocks me that we released lelie

Beside the point, they think that copper/lawrence > Lelie, whatever way you shake it out.

It's not like either guy is gonna get snagged by another team, just cut them and put their worthless asses on the PS. Keep the better player(Lelie) and then cut him later if you claim a better player off of waivers.

I have a feeling we'll be seeing David Tyree as a Chief soon and Copper gone.

40-60 practices and you probably saw 4 of them.

Copper and Lawrence plays special teams and Lelie doesnt??

because these guys are probably more open to be molded by whatever the coaches want and ask for, thus they have a bigger upside. ya know it's nice to have a few grooming projects on your team, no matter how shitty they are. all the good teams have guys like this and before you know it they are fit to replace some over the hill 30 something near the end of his big contract.

Neither guy is big enough to block and they did nothing as returners which is why we keep trying all these other guys at it.

its not the best 53.... its the right 53...

I couldn't care less what they did in practice, when it came to the games, they sucked.

Lawrence ran a decent reverse once iirc.

Jackpot

seeing how neither of them have played an ACTUAL game for us yet... I'm glad you have some sort of magical ****ing World of Warcraft Magi powers that lets you see into the future of how these guys are going to play for us.

bout time someone said this......

When it comes to the back up receivers, there seems to be considerably more upside to keeping Lawrence. I didn't see Ashley out there returning kicks and punts.

I'm sure Lelie could of sucked up the joint as a returner, like copper and lawrence, if that makes you feel better.

I'm sure that will make Cassel feel better when he can't find anyone open because copper and lawrence suck shit.

I dont think we have seen the end of moves.

I know tey like Copper because he plays special teams well....at least that what Looney says

Lawrence has potential. When he actually caught the ball, good things happened.

Copper is a special teams standout.

Other than that there appears to be little reason. I would wager a large amount of money we don't enter the regular season with five receivers.

A wide receiver that can't catch is worthless.

A special teams standout how? As a returner? A gunner? I don't know that i ever saw him do anything on special teams.

bah, whatever :grr:

Copper wasn't brought in here to take pressure off of Bowe. He was brought in here to be a decent gunner and to block in 4 WR formations.

I applaud keeping him around over Lelie.

He's a rookie. Come on. Give him a chance. Clearly P&H are.

When you goal for keep a receiver around is just blocking and special teams from day 1. :shake:

Wow, no wonder we suck.

I think someone needs a nap.
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I'll give a big chance on the practice squad. We need receivers and if you can't play, if you can't catch, then hit the bricks.

He's 4th on the depth chart. When you're down that far, a special teams player is worth far more than Ashley Lelie.

Yea its too bad Lelie wasnt kept. He surely would have lifted us up into the 11+ win category.

Mr. Krab has a hard on for Lelie. Ok that was wrong, I kid, I kid. There's something to keeping guys that are on board with the program as opposed to terminal free agents...

I need the chiefs not to suck.

You're an idiot. Copper has game experience, and had a decent year for the Saints a couple of season ago. He's not the best receiver, but he's not going to be on the field for the offense most of the time.

Please tell me what Lelie would have brought to this team that Copper doesn't.

I agree

Lelie had a legit chance to be a 3rd receiver for us and to bring some speed to the field. We need speed on offense far more than we need a freaking special teams gunner.

Regardless of how well we played, are we really that upset about Ashley Lelie not making the roster?

A 29-year old receiver with no upside? Maybe this time around he'll actually amount to something.

While I can understand not wanting either of these two on your team, I'm also not that big on even having brought Lelie in, so it is sort of a wash for me.

No.

Matt Jones is still available.

Yes

1. Bowe
2. Bradley
3. Engram/Lelie
4. imaginary guy that is still better than copper/lawrence
5. imaginary guy that is still better than copper/lawrence
6. imaginary guy that is still better than copper/lawrence
7. imaginary guy that is still better than copper/lawrence
8. Lawrence
9. Copper

Haven't seen much from Engram yet either tbh.

You do realize that with or without Lelie as a 3rd or 4th string receiver, this is at best a 5 win team?

We haven't used any wideouts other than Bowe for the last 2 years, so i guess it doesn't matter.

Copper is not as bad as you say he is. He's not as fast as Lelie, but he's probably just as consistent in terms of routes and hands

Quinten Lawrence has far more upside than Lelie does.

That's why.

WHAT HAPPENED TO TOOMER?

yes, but it's still the point of keeping the best players. It's irritating.

Thats what's so sad about this team. there are so many holes that need to be filled that no matter where you start something will still be lacking.

You're smoking crack. There is nothing consistent about Copper and athletically Lelie is a blue chipper. It's Lelie's brain pan that is the issue and so far i haven't seen Lawrence be any smarter.

Wait what?


Lelie is a blue chipper? That's why he keeps getting cut?

Take a reading class. I said athletically Lelie is a blue chipper and that it's his "brain" that's the problem.

And what in his "brain" led him to get cut this year? He couldn't learn the playbook?

I think it's his mental toughness that's the problem. Maybe intelligence but haven't heard that he's stupid, just soft.

So Krumrie slapped him around and he went all fetal position? That's why he's cut?

Having any kind of a feeling for Lelie stronger than a shrug is rather curious. 31 other teams could give a shit and the Chiefs are far from the only team WR starved.

Blueballs/LaChapelle, this might possibly be your best and most coherent post. Get away from the current douche stchik.

Mostly to play Special Teams.
I'm glad they held on to Lawrence.
Once this kid learns to secure the ball I think he'll be a playmaker.

You're the douchiest.

Lelie is like Medlock... the talent is there, but thats it.

I think people are misunderstanding, this isn't about me liking Lelie. This is about Lawrence being one snap from being our starting WR. Given that fact that Bradley can't seem to stay healthy it might be sooner than some think.

Bowe
Bradley
Engram
Lawrence
Copper

Game 1 - Raven Bradley catches a slant pass and Reed knocks him the fug out and boom, Bowe and Lawrence are now our starting WR's with Engrams running in the slot.

Hey, if the Chiefs have determine that Lawrence is gone after they make a waiver claim then fine. But right now Lelie is the better receiver and i don't know why they are dicking around with keeping Lawrence on the team. Move him to the PS and get it over with. Lelie can't go to the PS and should on our roster until we sign someone better. imo.

shrug

Quote/bump because more than a few people don't understand this. KC will add 3-5 new faces in the next few days.

We won't keep 4 QBs. and we WILL bring in OL.

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people just thought his butt had come unplugged
little did they know he just typed with one hand
whilst stroking it to his lifelong lover man

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Lawrence was a draft pick wasn't he?

****IN' A RIGHT HE IS

And if we don't sign Tyree I will shit multiple bricks.

Bowe-Jones-Tyree-Bradley would be 100000x better than what we have now.

Oh, I don't know. Maybe the ability to actually catch a pass?

I'm with Krab on this one. Lelie should have made this team. So what if he was running with the fourth teamers? He was the only guy coming down with the ball and the qbs were actively looking for him on nearly every play. Tell me what Copper brings to this team that Lelie doesn't? I mean, besides not being on the field with the offense.

Haley and Pioli were sitting in the big office this afternoon absolutely torn over what they would do. Haley liked Lelie, and all the upside this guy has...and especially loved that he could scream at a man named Ashley for 4 hours a day. Just when they were ready to drop the hammer on Copper or Lawrence, Pioli logged onto Chiefs Planet and saw how excited one Mr. Krab was about Lelie. Out of pure spite and a desire to ruin this franchise, he dialed Ray Farmer and had him deliver the bad news to Ashley. He gave him his Chiefs pin, which he put next to his Raiders, Broncos, Falcons, and 49'ers pins, and wished him luck on his journey to work for every team in the NFL.

I think its a foul if you use upside and Lelie in the same post.... regardless of how true it might be.

I'd be alright with Tyree. At least he could look some of these guys and say "I've caught more balls with my helmet than you've ever caught with your hands."

I am really thinking Matt Jones, now. I think he's ready to make the most of his second chance, and has first round talent. Besides, he'd probably be, talent-wise, our 2nd best QB on top of that.

At the min.... a good hook up for quality coke.

****ING YES

So we got a 5th string WR in Lelie and a 5th string WR in Copper. Copper contributes on special teams. Lelie does not.

They're BOTH far enough down the depth chart that neither one makes a significant contribution to the offense. That means that amazing speed and QB-friendly targetness that Lelie supposedly possesses is now worthless to the team. That means he has NOTHING.

And don't bring up the "what if a WR gets injured' bullshit. We're talking week to week. Let's assume no WR injuries happen until week 6. Wouldn't it be great to have special teams help those 6 weeks instead of NOTHING?

You know what, **** it. People are right on this thread- this team is going to change so much before opening day it's not even funny. This is a pointless debate.

What a stupid and completely worthless post.

Hey look everyone we have another reerun from California posting on the planet.

Debating the merits of keeping the likes of Lelie vs Cooper and Lawrence shows how utterly pathetic the Chiefs group of WRs is.

Yet look how superior my time management skills are to yours. You just spent over an hour of your precious life trying to make the case for a useless receiver who's going to play for more teams in his career than Jose Guillen over 2 other useless receivers, 1 of whom probably won't be on the team in 72 hours.

Meh, don't worry, guys will be cut here soon as we have to make room for any pickups, and guys will continue to be cut if they don't start delivering now that the bullets are flying...

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Figures.