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Coogs 09-10-2009 11:30 AM

Gretz: Parctice 9/10 (Cassel Stuff)
 
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September 10, 2009 - Bob Gretz | No Comments

From the Truman Sports Complex

QB Matt Cassel’s left knee must be holding up because he did more in the open portion of Thursday’s practice than he did in either the Monday or Wednesday sessions.

In the quarterback drills, Cassel showed a little more energetic pass drop and plant than previously. In one of the drills, the QB drops three steps, stops, takes a shuffle step or two, and then drops two more steps. It’s a herky-jerky movement for the legs; Cassel did that and appeared to have no difficulties. When it came to throwing on the run, Cassel had done none of that in the first two practices this week. On Thursday, he did throw one pass on the move and delivered it with accuracy.

Certainly, Cassel’s ball was arriving with some heat as he drilled several short throws.

Overall, he did not move with the same agility and quickness the other quarterbacks displayed, but it was an improvement over his earlier sessions.

Todd Haley had the team in shoulder pads and shorts on Thursday morning with a full compliment of 53 roster players and eight practice squaders taking part.

Mr. Arrowhead 09-10-2009 11:35 AM

cassel is gonna play this sunday, there is no way we would have him out here practicing if he wasnt

DaneMcCloud 09-10-2009 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead (Post 6052828)
cassel is gonna play this sunday, there is no way we would have him out here practicing if he wasnt

Huh?

DrRyan 09-10-2009 11:38 AM

Good to hear. Now get him some blocking STAT!

Quesadilla Joe 09-10-2009 11:39 AM

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Matt Cassel still looks a little gimpy to me. On hurry-up passing drills today, he seemed to run toward the huddle with a limp.
https://twitter.com/kb_kcstar/status/3891017035

1ChiefsDan 09-10-2009 11:42 AM

I got a twitter update from Babb saying he looked gimpy in the hurry up passing drills. Limping going back to the huddle

edit: Damn knowshit beat me to it.

CaliforniaChief 09-10-2009 11:45 AM

Gimpy Matt Cassel > Healthy Kyle Orton

1ChiefsDan 09-10-2009 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 6052864)
Gimpy Matt Cassel > Healthy Kyle Orton

Completely agree with that.

Quesadilla Joe 09-10-2009 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 6052864)
Gimpy Matt Cassel > Healthy Kyle Orton

Kyle Orton isn't healthy.:doh!:

CaliforniaChief 09-10-2009 11:47 AM

That said, perhaps McDaniels can lay hands on him as a favor to an old friend?

CaliforniaChief 09-10-2009 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6052871)
Kyle Orton isn't healthy.:doh!:

Gimpy Matt Cassel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Injured Kyle Orton

SenselessChiefsFan 09-10-2009 11:53 AM

Okay, the gimpy part doesn't really bother me. The fact is that he will get a cortizone shot on Sunday morning, and that plus the adrenaline will make his 'soreness' unnoticable.

CaliforniaChief 09-10-2009 11:56 AM

Babb's blog post can be seen here:
http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/970

Both Gretz and Babb said that Cassel looked good in his throws. Babb mentions the one thing that might be a concern, that the injured knee is the one he plants when he throws. If the knee bothers him, it might leave his throws high and susceptible to INT's because it affects his follow-through.

Or we could put Thigpen in who is susceptible in INT's whenever he throws. Or Brodie who is susceptible to death whenever he plays.

the Talking Can 09-10-2009 12:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 6052864)
fish sperm > Healthy Kyle Orton


DBOSHO 09-10-2009 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 6052909)
Babb's blog post can be seen here:
http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/970

Both Gretz and Babb said that Cassel looked good in his throws. Babb mentions the one thing that might be a concern, that the injured knee is the one he plants when he throws. If the knee bothers him, it might leave his throws high and susceptible to INT's because it affects his follow-through.

Or we could put Thigpen in who is susceptible in INT's whenever he throws. Or Brodie who is susceptible to death whenever he plays.

lol @ susceptible to death

CaliforniaChief 09-10-2009 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6052927)
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Thanks dude. Sorry I wasn't paying attention.http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/images/smilies/rofl2.gif

TRR 09-10-2009 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 6052909)
Babb's blog post can be seen here:
http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/970

Both Gretz and Babb said that Cassel looked good in his throws. Babb mentions the one thing that might be a concern, that the injured knee is the one he plants when he throws. If the knee bothers him, it might leave his throws high and susceptible to INT's because it affects his follow-through.

Or we could put Thigpen in who is susceptible in INT's whenever he throws. Or Brodie who is susceptible to death whenever he plays.

The leg he plants with is his right leg...the leg that is injured is his left which he will follow through with...

IMO its better that his left leg is injured more than his right.
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CaliforniaChief 09-10-2009 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 6052974)
The leg he plants with is his right leg...the leg that is injured is his left which he will follow through with...

IMO its better that his left leg is injured more than his right.
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You are correct. I said that wrong. My concern would be that as he puts his left foot down, he wouldn't put his whole weight on it and have a proper follow-through. This could leave his passes high.

Coogs 09-10-2009 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRR (Post 6052974)
The leg he plants with is his right leg...the leg that is injured is his left which he will follow through with...

IMO its better that his left leg is injured more than his right.
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How Babb even has a job as a sports writer is beyond me. :shrug:

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-10-2009 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 6052892)
Okay, the gimpy part doesn't really bother me. The fact is that he will get a cortizone shot on Sunday morning, and that plus the adrenaline will make his 'soreness' unnoticable.

Some of you people can't WAIT to see this guy in a cast, can you?

"But...but...it's the first game of the season"!

You know, I might have a bet going with Doomy3 where Cassel will probably fall short, but I don't want the mother****er KILLED JUST SO SOME OF YOU CAN GET YOUR FIRST-GAME JOLLIES.

Wake up, and GROW the **** up. ****in' True Fan idiots.:mad:

SenselessChiefsFan 09-10-2009 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6053041)
Some of you people can't WAIT to see this guy in a cast, can you?

"But...but...it's the first game of the season"!

You know, I might have a bet going with Doomy3 where Cassel will probably fall short, but I don't want the mother****er KILLED JUST SO SOME OF YOU CAN GET YOUR FIRST-GAME JOLLIES.

Wake up, and GROW the **** up. ****in' True Fan idiots.:mad:


You calling anyone an idiot reeks of irony.

This is part of playing in the NFL. If there is little risk of further injuring the knee, you get your shot, and you suck it up and play the game.

Guys get dinged. They have to play through it.

And, if we only play Cassel on the weeks that he won't get hurt.... well, then he will never play for us.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-10-2009 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 6053056)
You calling anyone an idiot reeks of irony.

This is part of playing in the NFL. If there is little risk of further injuring the knee, you get your shot, and you suck it up and play the game.

Guys get dinged. They have to play through it.

And, if we only play Cassel on the weeks that he won't get hurt.... well, then he will never play for us.

**** you. You're the idiot on this one. That isn't a ****ing "ding" that Cassel got hit with you asshole; that's one helmet away from being out for the season.
Have you forgotten who the **** we're playing this week?!

But Oh well, all hail the Great Nosensical Chiefs Fan; just shut your eyes, wish for the best, and scream "PIOLI" at that top of your dumb, ****ing lungs as our 60 Million Dollar Franchise QB goes right down the shitter just so you can enjoy one ****ing day of football.

CaliforniaChief 09-10-2009 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6053089)
**** you. You're the idiot on this one. That isn't a ****ing "ding" that Cassel got hit with you asshole; that's one helmet away from being out for the season.
Have you forgotten who the **** we're playing this week?!

But Oh well, all hail the Great Nosensical Chiefs Fan; just shut your eyes, wish for the best, and scream "PIOLI" at that top of your dumb, ****ing lungs as our 60 Million Dollar Franchise QB goes right down the shitter just so you can enjoy one ****ing day of football.

Take a breath, bro.

First, the only information we have on how things are going comes from Josh Looney, Kent Babb, and Bob Gretz. Nobody here knows the medical reports. And I don't even recall the Chiefs acknowledging that it was a sprain of the MCL (I could be wrong there.)

This isn't about being nonsensical. You put your players on the field who give you the best chance to win...and guess what? The Oakland Raiders have hard-hitters too. Hell, it was a Kansas City Chief that took out Joshie McDungiels' apprentice last year. Any player can be lost for the year on any play in any situation...if it is a sprain and is just about what you can grit your teeth through and not risking further injury, you put him out there.

OnTheWarpath15 09-10-2009 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6053089)
**** you. You're the idiot on this one. That isn't a ****ing "ding" that Cassel got hit with you asshole; that's one helmet away from being out for the season.
Have you forgotten who the **** we're playing this week?!

But Oh well, all hail the Great Nosensical Chiefs Fan; just shut your eyes, wish for the best, and scream "PIOLI" at that top of your dumb, ****ing lungs as our 60 Million Dollar Franchise QB goes right down the shitter just so you can enjoy one ****ing day of football.

Dude, we can't just sit him until we feel like the opposing defense poses no threat.

If so, he'd never play this year.

It's the regular season - if he can go, he damn well better go.

Now, if he gets killed, it's on Pioli's shoulders for not protecting his investment. But not playing him because of concern of injury is weak.

SenselessChiefsFan 09-10-2009 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6053089)
**** you. You're the idiot on this one. That isn't a ****ing "ding" that Cassel got hit with you asshole; that's one helmet away from being out for the season.
Have you forgotten who the **** we're playing this week?!

But Oh well, all hail the Great Nosensical Chiefs Fan; just shut your eyes, wish for the best, and scream "PIOLI" at that top of your dumb, ****ing lungs as our 60 Million Dollar Franchise QB goes right down the shitter just so you can enjoy one ****ing day of football.


Brady went out for the year playing the 'lowly' Chiefs. Buy a clue moron.

Titty Meat 09-10-2009 01:02 PM

Youre a pussy if you don't want Cassel to play this week. Thats some Herm Edwards shit right there.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-10-2009 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 6053102)
Take a breath, bro.

First, the only information we have on how things are going comes from Josh Looney, Kent Babb, and Bob Gretz. Nobody here knows the medical reports. And I don't even recall the Chiefs acknowledging that it was a sprain of the MCL (I could be wrong there.)

This isn't about being nonsensical. You put your players on the field who give you the best chance to win...and guess what? The Oakland Raiders have hard-hitters too. Hell, it was a Kansas City Chief that took out Joshie McDungiels' apprentice last year. Any player can be lost for the year on any play in any situation...if it is a sprain and is just about what you can grit your teeth through and not risking further injury, you put him out there.

If he can't scramble 100%, if he's not healthy 100%, this franchise is going to regret the decision to start him if they do for a long time to come.

How many years has this franchise and fan base waited to get this type of Quarterback( assuming he turns out great )?

If Matt Cassel get's "Brady'd" or worse; this fan base will go to Defcon 1 in the blink of a snap. This is a bad idea.

FAX 09-10-2009 01:03 PM

I wouldn't play Cassel unless or until he was 100%. It's just not worth the risk of further injury and setting him back 2 more months ... or more. Think about it, with a problematic knee, just a tap from the wrong angle can create even more serious problems we definitely don't need or want.

Were I Haley and Cassel isn't 100%, I'd start Croyle and, depending on how he performs, bring Cassel (based on the score) or Thiggy in off the bench. If we're fortunate enough to establish an effective, successful run game, it's .... MOOT!!!!

EDIT: Remember, our QB has to be mobile. To survive, I mean.

FAX

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-10-2009 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6053121)
Youre a pussy if you don't want Cassel to play this week. Thats some Herm Edwards shit right there.

I want Cassel to play the whole season, asshole. What part of this are you not getting?

**** it; I'm done with this thread.

Titty Meat 09-10-2009 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6053135)
I want Cassel to play the whole season, asshole. What part of this are you not getting?

**** it; I'm done with this thread.

Baby come back! You can blame it all on meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

CaliforniaChief 09-10-2009 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6053126)
If he can't scramble 100%, if he's not healthy 100%, this franchise is going to regret the decision to start him if they do for a long time to come.

How many years has this franchise and fan base waited to get this type of Quarterback( assuming he turns out great )?

If Matt Cassel get's "Brady'd" or worse; this fan base will go to Defcon 1 in the blink of a snap. This is a bad idea.

Dude I hear what you're saying. I just don't agree. 60 million dollar QB's earn their money when they aren't 100%, which is almost every week in this league. If there was a structural issue with the knee that had a higher chance of re-injury, they wouldn't put him out there. But again, as a sprain you don't have a higher risk of re-injury...it's simply how much pain you can tolerate. I don't care who you're playing...you could always get hurt. If he can go with a cortizone shot, he goes.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-10-2009 01:07 PM

Just play the sonofabitch. If he dies, he dies, and it's on the management who wouldn't buy a 2 dollar policy to protect a 60 million dollar investment

Titty Meat 09-10-2009 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 6053132)
I wouldn't play Cassel unless or until he was 100%. It's just not worth the risk of further injury and setting him back 2 more months ... or more. Think about it, with a problematic knee, just a tap from the wrong angle can create even more serious problems we definitely don't need or want.

Were I Haley and Cassel isn't 100%, I'd start Croyle and, depending on how he performs, bring Cassel (based on the score) or Thigpen in off the bench. If we're fortunate enough to establish an effective, successful run game, it's .... MOOT!!!!

EDIT: Remember, our QB has to be mobile. To survive, I mean.

FAX

Fax where have you been? There will be very times throughout the season where a NFL player will be 100% healthy especially a sprain which takes along time to heal. Sitting Cassel would contradict Haleys message and could easily lose the team. Just think if the Chargers would have bench Rivers when he played with a torn ACL. Since Rivers played he became the leader of the team.

SenselessChiefsFan 09-10-2009 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 6053132)
I wouldn't play Cassel unless or until he was 100%. It's just not worth the risk of further injury and setting him back 2 more months ... or more. Think about it, with a problematic knee, just a tap from the wrong angle can create even more serious problems we definitely don't need or want.

Were I Haley and Cassel isn't 100%, I'd start Croyle and, depending on how he performs, bring Cassel (based on the score) or Thigpen in off the bench. If we're fortunate enough to establish an effective, successful run game, it's .... MOOT!!!!

EDIT: Remember, our QB has to be mobile. To survive, I mean.

FAX

Chiefs won't play him if he isn't healthy enough to go. He will wear a knee brace.

The reality is that most players aren't 100% for much, if any of the NFL season.

mikey23545 09-10-2009 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6052927)
.fish sperm > Healthy Kyle Orton

LMAO

keg in kc 09-10-2009 01:31 PM

Dude's our franchise quarterback. If he can move, he plays.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-10-2009 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6053149)
Just play the sonofabitch. If he dies, he dies, and it's on the management who wouldn't buy a 2 dollar policy to protect a 60 million dollar investment

Very well, I bow the (m)asses; PLAY BALL!:rolleyes:

SenselessChiefsFan 09-10-2009 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6053286)
Very well, I bow the (m)asses; PLAY BALL!:rolleyes:

LIAR! You lie!

MikeMaslowski 09-10-2009 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 6053292)
LIAR! You lie!

LoL at a perfectly placed political joke.

doomy3 09-10-2009 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6053108)
Dude, we can't just sit him until we feel like the opposing defense poses no threat.

If so, he'd never play this year.

It's the regular season - if he can go, he damn well better go.

Now, if he gets killed, it's on Pioli's shoulders for not protecting his investment. But not playing him because of concern of injury is weak.

No shit. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a gigantic vagina.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-10-2009 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 6053373)
No shit. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a gigantic vagina.

Well, I wouldn't want to be like you, so once again; PLAY BALL!

doomy3 09-10-2009 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6053393)
Well, I wouldn't want to be like you, so once again; PLAY BALL!

Weakest sauce ever. :rolleyes:

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-10-2009 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 6053416)
Weakest sauce ever. :rolleyes:

Kinda' like your "latch-on" to OTWP's post, yes?:D

Don't be angry, I'll send Salame over to give you a kiss.

doomy3 09-10-2009 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6053427)
Kinda' like your "latch-on" to OTWP's post, yes?:D

Don't be angry, I'll send Salame over to give you a kiss.

ROFL at you actually mentioning someone else "latching on" to ANYONE's post. That is pretty much all you do on this board.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-10-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 6053435)
ROFL at you actually mentioning someone else "latching on" to ANYONE's post. That is pretty much all you do on this board.

Shhh; I love you.


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