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doomy3 09-16-2009 03:41 PM

Aaron Crow Signed by Royals
 
Release will be out shortly...

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/roy...y/1451900.html

The Royals have reached a three-year, major-league contract agreement with No. 12 overall draft pick Aaron Crow, a right-handed pitcher from the University of Missouri.
The contract, which begins in 2010, contains a $1.5 million signing bonus and $3 million in guaranteed money.
Crow, who won the Big 12’s pitcher of the year and was a Golden Spikes finalist as a junior, turned down $3.5 million from the Nationals as the No. 9 pick last year. He was seeking $4 million.
The Royals will introduce Crow on Friday afternoon at Kauffman Stadium.


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=mlb

DETROIT -- The Royals reached an agreement on Thursday with pitcher Aaron Crow, their first-round Draft choice in 2009, on a three-year Major League contract beginning in '10.
The club did not disclose terms of the contract, but it was believed the deal was for $3 million plus incentives. Crow will go on the Royals' 40-man Major League roster.
The Royals will introduce Crow at a news conference at 2:20 p.m. CT on Friday at Kauffman Stadium in Kansas City.
J.J. Picollo, assistant general manager in charge of scouting and player development, said Kansas City pushed to get the deal done so Crow could report to the Arizona instructional league on Sunday. The league begins on Monday.
Crow was represented by the Hendricks brothers of Houston.
Crow, from the University of Missouri and Wakarusa, Kan., was the 12th overall pick in this year's First-Year Player Draft. He was drafted in 2008 by the Washington Nationals, but he did not sign, reportedly turning down a $3.5 million offer.
The righty was not subject to the Aug. 17 signing deadline this year, because he had played independent pro ball and had no college eligibility remaining. Major League Baseball ruled that he and first-round supplemental pick Tanner Scheppers were exempt.
That relieved the Royals of deadline stress -- they had gone to the final minutes to sign 2007 first-round pick Mike Moustakas and 2008 first-round Eric Hosmer -- and negotiations with Crow continued.
In 2008 for Missouri, Crow was the Big 12 Conference Pitcher of the Year and a Golden Spikes Award finalist after going 13-0 with a 2.35 ERA in 15 starts. He had 127 strikeouts and logged 43 consecutive scoreless innings that season.
Crow throws a mid-90s fastball and a sharp slider.

Mr. Laz 09-16-2009 03:43 PM

i thought it was already past the deadline.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-16-2009 03:44 PM

Deadline for players who didn't sign last year doesn't apply.

Not a Royals fan, I love Mizzou, but I really hope this ordeal humbled that arrogant sonofabitch.

POND_OF_RED 09-16-2009 03:47 PM

**** yes!!! If he can live up to the hype and Hochevar can continue to get better I think the Royals will have the best rotation in baseball here in a few years. Now if only we can get some clutch bats.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-16-2009 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 6079109)
**** yes!!! If he can live up to the hype and Hochevar can continue to get better I think the Royals will have the best rotation in baseball here in a few years. Now if only we can get some clutch bats.

ROFLROFLROFL

nychief 09-16-2009 03:49 PM

link?

Mr. Laz 09-16-2009 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6079099)
Deadline for players who didn't sign last year doesn't apply.

why not

Deberg_1990 09-16-2009 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 6079109)
**** yes!!! If he can live up to the hype and Hochevar can continue to get better I think the Royals will have the best rotation in baseball here in a few years. Now if only we can get some clutch bats.


You realize people have been saying this sort of thing for the past 20 years?

BWillie 09-16-2009 03:50 PM

Ya i think the royals even had until May 2010 to sign him.

doomy3 09-16-2009 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 6079116)
link?

No link yet.

Hasn't been announced yet.

DumbHillbillies 09-16-2009 03:51 PM

Who ? Nevermind. When is Greinke on the mound again.

nychief 09-16-2009 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 6079122)
No link yet.

Hasn't been announced yet.

oh. just curious how you know... family/insider or something.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-16-2009 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6079117)
why not

Ask MLB...the August deadline does not apply, perhaps b/c the team who lost him (Washington) gets a supplemental in the same place where they picked him last year, so they aren't really out anything at this point, and they don't want guys to constantly go in and out of the draft.

doomy3 09-16-2009 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 6079126)
oh. just curious how you know... family/insider or something.

Can't say that. But, I have let the board know about several other deals ahead of time...

POND_OF_RED 09-16-2009 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6079114)
ROFLROFLROFL

We have the best pitcher in the AL. The only pitcher I might take over him would be Lincecum. If Crow is as good as advertised he has the stuff to be an ace so he'd be a great #2 behind Greinke. Meche Hochevar and Bannister to close it out is a very solid rotation. We have a very good pitching staff now we just don't have the run support.

sedated 09-16-2009 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 6079138)
We have the best pitcher in the AL. The only pitcher I might take over him would be Lincecum. If Crow is as good as advertised he has the stuff to be an ace so he'd be a great #2 behind Greinke. Meche Hochevar and Bannister to close it out is a very solid rotation. We have a very good pitching staff now we just don't have the run support.

we also need a bullpen.

and meche hasn't been that great. bannister has been up and down. hoch hasn't really done much except for a few good starts here and there.

and I'd wait to give Crow the #2 spot; we've heard all kinds of hype plenty of times before about pitchers we just drafted.


...and, yes, we still need an offense.

58kcfan89 09-16-2009 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 6079138)
We have the best pitcher in the AL. The only pitcher I might take over him would be Lincecum. If Crow is as good as advertised he has the stuff to be an ace so he'd be a great #2 behind Greinke. Meche Hochevar and Bannister to close it out is a very solid rotation. We have a very good pitching staff now we just don't have the run support.

You forgot the part where we trade Zack for a major league ready Catcher, a A pitcher and a AAA 3B.

And it's about damn time the Royals sign the guy. I don't love him, but don't hate him, either. I just hope to the baseball gods that he pans out as advertised. It would have been nice to see him get some work in at the minor-league level and maybe even an inning or 2 at the ML level this month as well....

Braincase 09-16-2009 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychief (Post 6079126)
oh. just curious how you know... family/insider or something.

I know his dad, he told me something was going to pop soon a couple of weeks ago.

CoMoChief 09-16-2009 04:04 PM

As long as the Royals don't pay to sign upper tier players.....they will continue to go nowhere.

Their scouting dept needs to drive off a cliff.

DeezNutz 09-16-2009 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 6079138)
We have the best pitcher in the AL. The only pitcher I might take over him would be Lincecum. If Crow is as good as advertised he has the stuff to be an ace so he'd be a great #2 behind Greinke. Meche Hochevar and Bannister to close it out is a very solid rotation. We have a very good pitching staff now we just don't have the run support.

Moore and Hillman have ****ed Meche's arm. Even if he were to return to health, but the time we have the bats, he'll be done.

Bannister, if Moore and Hillman haven't ****ed him up, too, could be a decent #4-5.

Hochevar, however, is average at best, even as a #4-5, and that's being kind. He was and is a perfect example of how the team has ruined a bunch of very high, very important picks in recent years.

doomy3 09-16-2009 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Braincase (Post 6079154)
I know his dad, he told me something was going to pop soon a couple of weeks ago.

My source told me that everything's done on the deal, so it should be announced anytime.

teedubya 09-16-2009 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 6079109)
**** yes!!! If he can live up to the hype and Hochevar can continue to get better I think the Royals will have the best rotation in baseball here in a few years. Now if only we can get some clutch bats.

Puff puff pass man... don't be bogartin'

big nasty kcnut 09-16-2009 07:04 PM

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DJ's left nut 09-16-2009 07:23 PM

TINSTAAPP

He's nothing 'til he's toeing the rubber.

There are a lot more David Clydes than there are Zack Greinkes. If you get 1 legitimate #3 starting pitcher out of the entire crop of minor league arms you have right now, consider yourselves fortunate.

Greinke
--
--
Hochevar
Bannister

Congrats, you're a #2 and #3 starter away from a championship rotation. Keep in mind that 'championship rotations' generally have guys like Matt Cain, Cliff Lee, Adam Wainwright, AJ Burnett, Curt Schilling, etc... as the #2 guy and someone with an ERA in the top 1/3 of the league as a #3.

Calling Crowe a #2 based on his stuff is about like me saying "We'll have 3 CY winners in 4 years when Shelby Miller proves better than Wainwright."

Those 2/3 starters are a hell of a lot easier to project than produce...

DeezNutz 09-16-2009 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6079819)
There are a lot more David Clydes than there are Zack Greinkes. If you get 1 legitimate #3 starting pitcher out of the entire crop of minor league arms you have right now, consider yourselves fortunate.

I'm more pessimistic about this sack of shit franchise than just about anyone, but this is ridiculous.

Your statement is no more true about the Royals than it is about any ML team.

And, miraculously, teams all around the league produce talented arms.

At times, your Cards love causes hyperbole to run into this thread.

DJ's left nut 09-16-2009 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6079861)
I'm more pessimistic about this sack of shit franchise than just about anyone, but this is ridiculous.

Your statement is no more true about the Royals than it is about any ML team.

And, miraculously, teams all around the league produce talented arms.

At times, your Cards love causes hyperbole to run into this thread.

Okay, for instance, my Cardinals.

You know how many of our pitchers are products of our farm? Precisely 0.

Carp -- FA
WW -- Trade
Piniero -- Trade
Lohse -- FA
Smoltz -- FA
Wellemeyer -- Scrap heap.

WW is close, we traded for him as a AA prospect and developed him. Since 1990, we have really only 1 true homegrown pitching success story - Matt Morris. In the meantime we have 2 SPs that threw no-hitters as rookies for us after incredibly succesful minor league stints that went on to do nothing else for the rest of their careers (Bud Smith and Jose Jiminez).

Your recent past is filled with the Jeff Austins, Kyle Snyders and Jeremy Affeldts. Look at the draft record of the team most synonymous with developing pitching over the last 2+ decades in ATL and you'll see only 1 true success within the org.

Look at most teams and you'll find a similar trend. Look in the other baseball thread and you'll see my Orioles example. Seriously, just look around baseball and you'll see that a vast minority of teams have a homegrown ace and even fewer can point to their top 3 pitchers and say they came from within the system. The Twins, Angels and Giants are the exceptions to the rule.

I'm not saying the phenomenon is unusual to the Royals - it's everywhere. I didn't come up with the TINSTAAPP concept, Bill James did. I don't believe I said anything unreasonable or unduly critical. The Royals have 2 legitimate high-end pitching prospects in Crowe and Melville. If one of those guys end up as a #3 or higher, you'll have bucked a mathmatically undeniable trend. If any of the other pitchers in your system do it, you'll have definitely done so.

Cardinal fan or not, I absolutely stand by my assertion.

ChiTown 09-16-2009 08:17 PM

***** YEAH!
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carlos3652 09-17-2009 02:31 PM

So did he sign or not? Im getting reports they are still working on it...

KevB 09-17-2009 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6079899)
Okay, for instance, my Cardinals.

You know how many of our pitchers are products of our farm? Precisely 0.

Carp -- FA
WW -- Trade
Piniero -- Trade
Lohse -- FA
Smoltz -- FA
Wellemeyer -- Scrap heap.

WW is close, we traded for him as a AA prospect and developed him. Since 1990, we have really only 1 true homegrown pitching success story - Matt Morris. In the meantime we have 2 SPs that threw no-hitters as rookies for us after incredibly succesful minor league stints that went on to do nothing else for the rest of their careers (Bud Smith and Jose Jiminez).

Your recent past is filled with the Jeff Austins, Kyle Snyders and Jeremy Affeldts. Look at the draft record of the team most synonymous with developing pitching over the last 2+ decades in ATL and you'll see only 1 true success within the org.

Look at most teams and you'll find a similar trend. Look in the other baseball thread and you'll see my Orioles example. Seriously, just look around baseball and you'll see that a vast minority of teams have a homegrown ace and even fewer can point to their top 3 pitchers and say they came from within the system. The Twins, Angels and Giants are the exceptions to the rule.

I'm not saying the phenomenon is unusual to the Royals - it's everywhere. I didn't come up with the TINSTAAPP concept, Bill James did. I don't believe I said anything unreasonable or unduly critical. The Royals have 2 legitimate high-end pitching prospects in Crowe and Melville. If one of those guys end up as a #3 or higher, you'll have bucked a mathmatically undeniable trend. If any of the other pitchers in your system do it, you'll have definitely done so.

Cardinal fan or not, I absolutely stand by my assertion.

I'd throw Montgomery in with Melville and Crowe, but otherwise I don't disagree with your premise. The related point to be made however, is that many teams trade away their home grown talent while still in the minors to obtain a more proven asset. Therefore, just because a team doesn't reap the direct benefit of their minor league pitchers, it doesn't mean they aren't valuable in procuring other arms.

doomy3 09-17-2009 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by carlos3652 (Post 6082031)
So did he sign or not? Im getting reports they are still working on it...

It is done. Not sure why they aren't releasing it yet. Maybe there are some final sticking points or something, but everyone at Kauffman knows it is done.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-17-2009 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 6079138)
We have the best pitcher in the AL. The only pitcher I might take over him would be Lincecum. If Crow is as good as advertised he has the stuff to be an ace so he'd be a great #2 behind Greinke. Meche Hochevar and Bannister to close it out is a very solid rotation. We have a very good pitching staff now we just don't have the run support.

Lincecum is Greinke's equal if not superior. He's done it longer.
Cain is better than Hochevar will ever be
Baumgartner is a better prospect than Crow.
Sanchez has more upside than anyone else in the Royals' system.

heapshake 09-17-2009 07:45 PM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/roy...y/1451900.html

The Royals have reached a three-year, major-league contract agreement with No. 12 overall draft pick Aaron Crow, a right-handed pitcher from the University of Missouri. The contract, which begins in 2010, contains a $1.5 million signing bonus and $3 million in guaranteed money. Crow, who won the Big 12’s pitcher of the year and was a Golden Spikes finalist as a junior, turned down $3.5 million from the Nationals as the No. 9 pick last year. He was seeking $4 million. The Royals will introduce Crow on Friday afternoon at Kauffman Stadium.


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=mlb

DETROIT -- The Royals reached an agreement on Thursday with pitcher Aaron Crow, their first-round Draft choice in 2009, on a three-year Major League contract beginning in '10. The club did not disclose terms of the contract, but it was believed the deal was for $3 million plus incentives. Crow will go on the Royals' 40-man Major League roster. The Royals will introduce Crow at a news conference at 2:20 p.m. CT on Friday at Kauffman Stadium in Kansas City. J.J. Picollo, assistant general manager in charge of scouting and player development, said Kansas City pushed to get the deal done so Crow could report to the Arizona instructional league on Sunday. The league begins on Monday. Crow was represented by the Hendricks brothers of Houston.

Crow, from the University of Missouri and Wakarusa, Kan., was the 12th overall pick in this year's First-Year Player Draft. He was drafted in 2008 by the Washington Nationals, but he did not sign, reportedly turning down a $3.5 million offer. The righty was not subject to the Aug. 17 signing deadline this year, because he had played independent pro ball and had no college eligibility remaining. Major League Baseball ruled that he and first-round supplemental pick Tanner Scheppers were exempt. That relieved the Royals of deadline stress -- they had gone to the final minutes to sign 2007 first-round pick Mike Moustakas and 2008 first-round Eric Hosmer -- and negotiations with Crow continued.


In 2008 for Missouri, Crow was the Big 12 Conference Pitcher of the Year and a Golden Spikes Award finalist after going 13-0 with a 2.35 ERA in 15 starts. He had 127 strikeouts and logged 43 consecutive scoreless innings that season.
Crow throws a mid-90s fastball and a sharp slider.

doomy3 09-17-2009 07:51 PM

Hopefully Crow can contribute really quickly, otherwise he will be way behind the 8 ball being as old as he is.

Sure-Oz 09-17-2009 07:52 PM

He will def. need to be our #2 with meches dead arm

duncan_idaho 09-17-2009 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6079155)
As long as the Royals don't pay to sign upper tier players.....they will continue to go nowhere.

Their scouting dept needs to drive off a cliff.

You're talking about free agency, I presume?

Because the Royals have spent more money on the 2007, 08 and 09 drafts than any other team in baseball.

Anyway, if you're talking about free agency, do you not remember the Royals offering guys like Torii Hunter and Rafael Furcal and Orlando Hudson BIG money, to have them sign elsewhere for less? Because that is what has happened of late. They're trying to spend money on good players in free agency. Sometimes that isn't enough.

The new scouting department shouldn't jump off a cliff. Far from it. It has stocked the low minor leagues with a level of talent that will rival any in baseball.

The Royals Class AA team next year will likely feature Crow, Danny Duffy (a Futures Game participant), Michael Montgomery, Eric Hosmer, and Mike Moustakas. All of those players are legitimate first-round MLB draft talents.

Tim Melville is on track to make an appearance for that team about midseason. Another first round talent acquired in the past few drafts.

And then there's Jeff Bianchi - a SS who hit .300 in one of the toughest hitting leagues in the minors, and Jonny Giavatelli, who could both be on that club as well (and project at least as contributors on the big-league level).

Also looming in the low minor leagues are Will Myers, who has hit the ball extremely well in Rookie ball, and Chris Dwyer. Both were drafted in the mid-rounds (3rd and 4th) this season, and signed to first-round level deals.

To top all that off, there are the additions of two minor league teams, and a monstrous expansion of spending in central America (which includes signing a stud 16-year-old Nicaraguan prospect to a seven-figure deal).

The Royals are spending serious money to rectify the terrible minor league system Moore inherited. It will pay off eventually. The difference between the current approach and the old one is that the Royals are no longer content to draft one really good player, then rest all hopes on that player being a stud. They are building some depth in the minors, which is what a successful farm system is all about.

As for developing another outstanding pitcher behind Greinke... Melville, Crow, Dwyer, Montgomery and Duffy all could be that guy. Montgomery and Crow and Melville all have No. 1 ceilings, with Duffy and Dwyer being more like No. 2 or 3 starters.


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