I hope Haley is ready to break out the 4-4 defense this week
 

We MUST stop the run and force the faiders to throw.

Enter the 4-4 defense

Jackson,Tyler,Dorsey,Magee

Vrabel,Williams,Mays,Hali

Flowers, Page, Carr

The faiders offensively line is huge, smallest guy is their center at 6'4" 305, we need to add some more beef up front.


I hope we think about doing something like this on 1st and 2nd down.

We only gave up 200 rushing yards last week. Surely we can do it again.

we are going to run alot of different d's

Did Magee get on the field last week ?

Agreed, I can easily see us running some serious 8 in the box stuff though....hell, I expect us to. JaFat couldn't sling it against the bolts, but that line is gigantic, they'll stick to the run anyway.

As long as someone keeps tabs on Miller we should be fine.

Yep.

You make it sound so easy. :banghead:

No need to panic, stay with the defense the Chiefs been in because the Raiders don't pose nearly the same type of balanced threat that the Ravens did. The D was playing run and the Ravens threw, successfully. As the D adjusted the Ravens were simply talented enough to counter with more running. Sure the stats look bad but it against elite competition and cudos to the Ravens coaches for a good gameplan.

IMO, the D just needs to come out with the same mentality as Baltimore. Take away the run and let Russell beat you because Cable won't put the game on his QB's shoulders.

This game is a must win.

That's nothing.

See the thread that claims we'll be 3-3 after 6 games.

I'm not touching it with a 10-foot pole. I'm sure if I say he's wrong, he'll end up being right.

Totally within reason based on what I saw against Baltimore.

They look more like 0-16 if you watch the Baltimore game.

Too tough a competition coming up early but after the first 6 games I could see a really good showing from this group

Look at it this way. If we win, it's a good thing. If we lose we'll be ahead of the Raiders for the #1 pick in the draft.

Disagree completely. I think you need to stay ahead of the curve. It's not panicking to adapt to a prevent a bad situation.

The weakness of Martyball is two-fold. If the defense stops the run on 1st down then it puts pressure on the offense to pass the ball and to score points because Martyball is not designed to come back from a big deficit.

since we aren't like to run up the score, we need to stonewall the run early.

Last week everyone was saying Flacco was just a game manager and wouldn't beat us throwing the ball.

So your point is that the Faiders running game isn't the biggest threat for us this week?

If you can't pressure the QB then even someone like Russel is going to be able to throw the ball.

Ok, serious question here:

Does it make sense to put our best cornerback (Flowers, if available) on Zach Miller? This was something that teams did with Tony when he was here from time to time, forcing us to go to our WR's. I'm just throwing this out there, because it's obvious Miller is Russell's pet target.

I didn't think we looked good at all last week. If it wasn't for a couple mistakes by the ravens we would have been down big. We also didn't cover

You didn't answer the question.

Not really, unless we go into a nickel which would hurt our run D. If you leave just two corners in, that means a LB or safety will have to cover their speedy WR. I don't think we want that.
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Dude. If all it takes is for you to say it won't happen, get your ass in there and flame him to oblivion RIGHT NOW.
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What you say makes sense. I just wonder if we take Miller away how lost Russell would look...kind of like Thigpen looked after Gonzo was traded. Lost and throwing to the other team. Thanks for the answer.

On passing downs if we bring in another cornerback then maybe we could. That still leaves leggitt on Bey or Murphy though.

Based on what I saw, I'd be ok with Leggett on Heyward-Bey. I'd put Carr on Murphy, though. I just don't understand the ins-and outs of defense like most...

Put leggett on Bey with Page providing deep help for Bey and then put Flowers 1-on-1 with Miller.

Right.

Only on throwing downs. I might not even do it if he's in line. If he's split out, I think you should, but if he's inline, you just have your ILB (hopefully Johnson) key on him and make sure you have him covered.

In the SD game, Miller didn't look all that fast, he was just wide the **** open.
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Again, the first priority is stopping the run and making them throw on 3rd and long.
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It's a thought, they're the only team I can remember in a LONG time if ever, that has two rookies starting at WR. That's a big piece of why Miller is such a big piece, the other two guys are still adjusting for a certain percentage of the game. I could definitely see that happening if he proves to be a problem.

On that note, if the game is in JaFat's chubby fingers, I feel good about where we're sitting....

Is there any chance they see what the Ravens did and come out slinging? We can only hope.
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I don't think one threat is bigger than the other if KC can't pressure the QB.

Or, he can just dump it to McFadden and see if KC's LBs can keep up.

Which brings us back to the 4-4

pull the strong safety and add another Dlineman on running downs to try and force the game in to Russell's hands ... err ... arm. :)

A few 3 and outs or a Russell interception, on 3rd and long, when the faiders are deep in their own territory could really get the game rolling in our favor.

Weren't we practicing a 5-3-3 or 5-2-4 or something in camp alot?

I couldn't disagree more, the Faiders clearly want to run the ball 1st and have made that their strength. Take away the run and the faiders lose.

I agree with this, but you have to take Miller out of the equation. If the Raiders don't have the run and he doesn't have his pacifier to turn to, he's gonna start slinging it to the WR's. Game, set, match, Chiefs.

That's what people said last week. Take away the run and make Flacco try to beat us. He's only a game manager...

I realize Russel isn't Flacco, but without pressure even Jamarcus is going to find open receivers.

We moved guys around alot but i don't want either of those setups.

5-3-3 allows too many huge runs if they break through the 5 Dlineman.

5-2-4 softens the middle of the field too much, which is where the faiders try and pound the ball.

4-4-3 lets you clog the line of scrimmage but still have a few linebacking corp to fill the holes and run sideline-to-sideline. The question is whether we can contain the deep passing game with only 3 in our secondary.

with 4 linebackers still in the game, we can still clog the short passing routes. we can still blitz as well... run blitz or pass blitz.

Our defensive strength is our corners, the faiders offensive weakness is at wide receiver. We need to try and make that work for us.

Fargas, Bush & McFadden are the strength of their offense by far. I like Laz's idea.