I am afraid that Haley might have lost the team today.
 

With the Chiefs trailing huge, the Chiefs went into a shell. It appeared that he quit calling plays trying to win.

That combined with his arrogance, and hardass attituded towards everyone...... he could have a very, very short shelf life.

I cannot believe how conservative that game was called. I understand protecting the QB... but you have give yourself a chance to win the game.

My biggest gripe about Herm was the conservative play calling.... and Haley has made him look like Al Saunders.

It is hard to keep a team from giving up when the head coach calls a game like he gave up midway through the third quarter.

He waved the white flag in the 2nd half, he just wanted the game over.

LMAO The meltdown on CP is in full fledge. And it's ****ing hilarious.

It is amusing.

Hilarious is the operative word.

I forgot CP had 2000 GMs who were members.

Not to mention the number of mind readers.

:rolleyes:

ROFL

Half of this roster needs to get lost, anyway.

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yeah, we should fire him now before he ruins Mike Goff's confidence forever....

good thing, if he would have kept passing, Cassel would have been injured for good

This isn't what Tony LaRussa would call a "hard nine".

Jesus, am I at Warpaint right now? This is ridiculous.

3 games in and already lost the team? How stupid can people be?

Should I bump my Meltdown Thread?? LOL

Yep.

The end of the game, maybe. But halfway through the third quarter? I don't buy that at all.

As for giving ourselves a chance to win the game, it was pretty obvious from about the 10 minute mark in the 1st quarter that they had no chance to win the game. At that point the playcalling becomes about not getting embarrassed and not getting anybody killed.

he never started calling plays trying to win.

People are concerned with that because when you scream and yell and basically make an ass of yourself saying my way works etc etc..

Then you get your ass kicked and that guy basically calls plays that wave the white flag...it sends a funky message to players.

They have a lost and found at the stadium. Haley found them and a pair of sunglasses that he lost in 1997.

nobody on this board is as stupid as todd haley.

Haley takes blame ... I respect that. Maybe he is in over his head, but at least he admits blame. Unlike the last coach

Herm used to comment upon "the need to play the game a certain way" to account for the personnel, and he was killed for these comments...

If he's going to call plays and we can't do this or that due to personnel I hope you guys are pumped for 0-16.

If we can't beat Washington or Cleveland then i will believe this.

No way the executive of the decade could be a part of something so terrible. Not possible.

Cleveland will be the game for the 1st pick, I don't think we'll beat Washington.

and you sure are smart typing a dumbass post like this behind your keyboard

They had a shit load of cap room and the deepest OL draft class in recent memory...and did nothing to fix this OL.

That inspires my confidence in their intelligence.

This is a game where we were horribly outmatched. It reminds me of the Eagles game several years ago when we played without Roaf.

I'm not too upset at Haley for the way the game was coached. I'm upset that his players still make boneheaded mistakes. But the playcalling is fine. There's nothing you can do when on every pass play, at least two pass rushers are getting to Cassel unblocked.

I'm more pissed at Pioli for not realizing this was a problem sooner. Haley is doing the best he can with what he was given.

That being said, this is an interesting test for Haley. Yellers and screamers have a hard time yelling, when players don't buy into what you're selling. It reminds me of when Coughlin was almost ousted several years ago.

Half the players won't be here next year because they suck so who gives a shit.

no chit.Lombardi and Parcells couldn't win with this talent.

Yeah, we suck for a team rebuilding

Same losers as last year. Was wait no one!
Just to Mention TG!

Try!

Well no one wants to be THIS bad.

The one where we were ahead 17-0?

:spock:

Love U but pussy

Cap room could have been used for FA. Tell me an available OL that was available and we passed on them?

I disagree. Oakland is not a horrible team. Good not great.

We showed last week that we can hang with teams that aren't exceptional. The Browns, Redskins, Raiders, and Broncos (twice) are games that I think we can hang in and potentially win. The Chargers (twice) and Bengals might be in that category too. I think we could easily win half of those. But only if we play like we did against Baltimore and don't make boneheaded mistakes as often as we did in Oakland.

In FA or the draft?

k suckerrr DiclIgioy amd homr

It goes back to that old saying..it is going to get worse before it gets better.

Wait, after 3 games he's going to lose the team? Really?

Yup.

The first half was filled with Saunders playcalls where they had some innovative short plays designed for about 5 yards. Like Gailey's offense, they were gimmicky plays and it's only a matter of time before the defense adjusts to it.

The ****ing game where we blew a 17 point lead at home?

How is this game, in any way, reminiscent of that one?

I keep asking that question.

Only Chiefzilla has given me some possible FAs and, while I agree with him that they'd be better than some of our current players, they're still second-tier people.

I'm looking for those blue-chip FAs everyone's convinced we didn't pursue.

Can it get any worse?

Sorry, no comparison.

Wait until next week

It is all about getting players to buy in. That is the key to any system..... and coach. It is communication and selling your program.

Giving up in the third quarter..... ain't selling guys on anything.

FA obviously. What draft pick did we pass on because of cap room?

Well, it was the same opponent, I guess. LMAO

Jason Brown was out there.

god you're an idiot

FA: Jason Brown, Ray Willis.

Draft: Round 2: Eben Britton, Max Unger, Andy Levitre, William Beatty (Cassel Trade)
Round 3: (Magee): Antoine Caldwell, Kraig Urbik, Louis Vazquez
Round 4: Jonathan Luigs
Round 5: Duke Robinson, Fenuki Tupou


Just a few.

Very valid comparison.

When your offensive line is incapable of giving your QB even a fraction of a second to throw the ball, you are very limited in the kinds of plays you can run. You're limited mostly to quick screens to the RBs and WRs and the QB has no time to go through any kinds of progressions.

The Chiefs did that to perfection against Philly that game with Green. And then the defense adjusted because they knew exactly what the Chiefs were going to do. In games like this when you're horribly outmatched on the o-line, your choice is to run the ball unsuccessfully, go for a long pass play where you're more than likely going to get sacked, or rely exclusively on a passing game that demands that you get rid of the ball right after the ball is snapped. None of those options is attractive.

When a head coach acts like he is the savior...... is a complete hardass and then:

calls a bad game against an Oakland team that you should beat.

And, follows that up by calling a worse game AND clearly giving up before even the fourth quarter.

Yeah, I'm afraid it is possible to lose the team.

This team has no talent. You could have Belicheck/Bill Walsh/Vince Lombardi/Jimmy Johnson... whoever coaching this team and it wouldn't matter.

Pioli sat on his fat, 800 pound ass this offseason and did virtually nothing to upgrade the blatant lack of talent on the Chiefs roster.

I'm putting most of the blame for this mess on Pioli.

where would you recommend i type it from? in front of my keyboard?

Again, I'm asking.

Who should he have brought in?

Names would be useful. Not just an amorphous "he should have done something". What should he have done? Who was available who should have been brought in?

I agree, there were some fuzzy picks in the draft.

I want to know who these magic FAs were.

Let me add one more...
2008. You have no pass protection. So what do you do? You run a gimmick spread offense because it's the only way you can get a pass play off without getting sacked.

We can criticize Haley for his playcalling. But when you can't protect your QB, you throw away 50% of your playbook and 45% of your playbook doesn't work nearly as well as it should.

yeah, cause Pioli didn't sign 10 pro-bowlers in 8 months

I'm usually quite opposed to your takes, but I can't disagree with this one.

Hamas laid out a nice post, maybe you should have a look.

I wish you, Stewie and any other Herm lover would just off yourself.

You mother ****ers were willing to give Herm another year after he won 6 games in 2 years. Yet, you think Haley lost the team after the third game.

Stupid is too kind of a word for you ****ing idiots.

The fact that the Chiefs lost, honestly, doesn't bother me so much.

But, the lack of passes on first down, and conceding the game in the third quarter is unacceptable.

Yeah, the team needs more talent..... but that doesn't excuse Haley for poor playcalling.

Nobody believes we could have made this offensive line great.

The point is that it could have been better, even if that means bringing one-year upgrades as stopgaps.

If you get three new linemen who are average as opposed to horrible, that gives you at least a passable offensive line.

As of now, our offensive line is an abortion. And frankly, I think you hold Cassel's development back one year, assuming that the o-line doesn't kill him by the end of the season.

Let's be frank, the Chiefs blew their signing bonus wad on Cassel and Jackson, they weren't spending anymore money than that.

I love how everyone was saying the Chiefs had no chance in this game.

And then when we do lose, they're in here bitching because we lost.

Hypocrites, one and frappin' all.

ROFL

OMG CP is such a mess anymore...

ROFL

Clark shouldn't take advice from the Glass family when it comes to spending on players for his team.

You can be critical about Pioli's evaluation of this team right now. But saying this falls on his shoulders only is laughable.

This team has been digging themselves a hole for years with shitty decisions in FA, and shitty drafting. That's not on Pioli.

If he doesn't do shit after this off-season, put it on his shoulders. But this team is so void of talent, I can't imagine a scenario where we compete until at least 2011.

Yup.

They suck, I expected them to suck, I'm waiting for the suck to end.

So we should all get back to blaming Clark?

Hey, as I said, you manned up and gave me some names on that other thread.

It's the bitch-monkeys who're crying who don't have any answers.

Yep. He should have stretched the field and had his QB killed because this line can't pass block. Passing on first down was the real key. You figured it out.

Post 53 for OL
For DL: Olshansky, Canty,
For S: Jim Leonhard would have been a better pickup than Brown

I am not saying that Haley should be gone. I am just saying that with the pissing the bed against Oakland after dominating the game.... and then conceding the game in the third quarter..... plus his 'hard ass' attitude...... just think the players are at least having second thoughts.

JMO.

amazing isn't it

Expecting to lose is one thing, it's another to see certain things in a loss that point to a bigger problem.

A loss it not just a loss, there's more to it than that.

Funny how Parcells with Miami and Dimitroff in Atlanta had no problem upgrading the talent level for both teams before last season that resulted in both franchises going from laughingstock to playoff-caliber.

Take away the trade for Cassel and what did Pioli do to upgrade the talent on the Chiefs roster this past offseason, despite having high draft picks in virtually every round of the draft and a ton of salary cap space???

Trading for Matt Vrabel, Signing Zach Thomas (who didn't even make it out of the preseason), Signing Bobby Engram, Signing Mike Goff.

That is it until the preseason when the Chiefs began to panic shop by bringing in the likes of Toomer, Lelie, etc.

Maybe if you read the ****ing thread you'd see some of these names.

Jesus Christ.