@people that think Sanchez would be a better fit
 

Are you freaking stupid? Serious question. Sanchez would be 0-3 and probably look worse behind this oline.Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Manning would be 0-3. There is NO time to throw. Every time Cassell dropped back he 3-4 defenders in his face.

When Vermiel was here we had a great oline...one of the best in the league. 2 HoFers helped pave the way for Priest, LJ and company. They gave time to an above average QB (Trent Green) and below average receivers to field the best offense in the league. You all freaking witnessed it...so how did you become so dumb and forget that the Oline makes the offense, just like the Dline (pass rush) makes the defense?

Fix the Oline-Matt has time to actually look further than 3-5 yards down the field. Becomes a star player (Trent was as a average-above average QB) and the RB's rush for 1700+ yards.

Fix the Dline(time and coaching)/OLBs(new players)--Our defense actually looks like Philly's Defense. I'd probably take our dbacks over theres and many other teams starters but they look like crap because NO ONE CAN COVER for 5-8 seconds play after play...not even Deon Sanders in his prime.

So stop with the Sanchez posts. Stop with the Tebow posts (which really makes you look incredibly stupid) and realize that our offense will continue to suck until the Oline is FIXED. It's going to be a VERY long season.

He'd be better than the guy we drafted.

These new developments in this argument are startling and very thought-provoking. I applaud your candor.

Why? He'd be 3rd string right now behind Cassell and Croyle. We'd have a huge hole at DE to fill next year as well and 3-4 DE's don't fall off trees. Even if he did start, he'd probably be about the same level of Ryan Leaf/JaMarcus Russell as far as stats go behind this line.

The ONLY logical arguement would have been to draft a LT instead of Jackson....because Oline was as big of need, if not a bigger need.

Yeah. Sanchez is still really, really good. I'd bet you $50 that he'd outplay Cassell in a 3-step-drop O.

hate to agree with a donk fan but I think you are right on the money

Good ****ing god. We didn't ****ing draft him, get the **** over it.

I'd be you a 100 he'd outplay Orton

That's a sucker bet. Sanchez is probably a better QB than Orton. That doesn't help the Chiefs at all though.

Let's just rename this site to Sanchez Planet and get it over with. Good ****ing lord.

Round One:

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That's the difference. We didn't have a chance to draft him. You did.

Thank you for reminding me that my team is inept.

What are you talking about, your team took Sanchez. Let's not forget your an NFL fan not a Chiefs fan.

Considering where the Chiefs are right now if I wasn't a fan if football in general I'd have probably stopped watching.

This.

Oh, and OP; don't tell me what the **** to talk or post about. Ever.

Didn't want to go there, but somebody had to throw out the "Sanchez is better than Orton". I know that he most likely is. Everybody knows that. Just like I know that a Caddy is better than that piece of shit I drive around, but I can't afford a Caddy. And the Broncos couldn't get Sanchez.

at least we didn't draft heywood bey or Crabtree :doh!:

You don't gotta tell me man no one wanted Sanchez more than me.

And nobody knows if Sanchez is gonna be better then Cassel

We have had only 2 games to make comparisons

I gotta refer to the OP.... man while we had trent green and he was good and all... we had a shot at Aaron Rodgers and passed on him too for DJ so we have been through this rodeo before and it doesn't usually work out well for the Chiefs :(

And it's hard to count the 2nd game as part of the comparison.

Even Sanchez supporters know that no QB in the NFL could have done anything with the kind of pass protection the Chiefs had today.

Here's the problem even if you think they're the same...Cassel is 27 Sanchez is 22 and it's apparent who's upside is hugely higher :doh!:

if only we could have borrowed Vick for the day and ran the wildcat with him all day

True, but I've been keeping an eye on Sanchez and he looks incredible. Like he's already been playing for 5 years.

LOL you wanna go that route

You know who is better then Sanchez and Orton?


CUTLER

Dude I know your a huge USC fan and that's cool with me. We didn't take Sanchez it's over so start writing the Chiefs front office to inform them which O-lineman they have available in next years draft. BTW how's Sam Baker doing anyway?

Stafford would have a better shot behind this line than Sanchez.

Sanchez is actually the more mobile of the two. But nobody period has a shot of succeeding behind KC's line. We have the worst in the league. I am thoroughly convinced of this.

Baker is the Falcons LT, It's not so much that Sanchez is from SC I just thought the guy was gonna be damn good and we passed. It just reminds me of why being a Chiefs fan is emotionally draining.

How? Details please.

shit he was pimping Stafford before Sanchez declared... so I think mecca like many of us wanted us to draft our own franchise QB

I think Sanchez will be better than Cutler.

Since the Chiefs suck ass again this year

GO BEARS

I did, I didn't think Sanchez would declare, those guys were by far the 2 best QB prospects in college but when Sanchez came out that was my guy.

The offensive line struggles to block long enough for a QB to make a 3 step drop and receivers don't get open. Nobody is going to succeed on this offense.

That's not really saying a whole lot. I think there's a good chance Cassel could be better than Cutler too.

Nope. If you go by the way they have looked so far Sanchez looks like he will be better than Cutler.

Cutler is a gunslinger. He can make any throw, he can carry a team. He also has those WTF moments. As far as his progression as a QB goes, those who give a shit about him hope that he continues to improve. I of course hope he falls down and dies, with a stick wedged into his sandy mangina.

Orton is a game manager. Nothing wrong with that.

Cutler has the million dollar arm and a 10 cent mentality.... Sanchez has more composure and moxie than Cutler will ever have.....

Now on THIS we can agree.

Ah, you beat me to it. I was busy laughing.

Will be and currently are two different things.

It doesn't excuse the fact that the Broncos pissed away a franchise qb for Orton. Any more then the fact that we passed Sanchez for Cassel.

This

Mark Sanchez is that guy, he has it, he makes plays in the clutch, he's a winner. He just has that aura about him that will make him a great player, not many have it.

I agree with that both former Pats guys ****ed up.

This the same Orton that couldn't beat out Grossman for a starting job?

Heh, "pissed away". He threw a hissy fit and demanded a trade. The owner got tired of his bitchy little attitude and traded him. We didn't have a chance to draft Sanchez.

You had the chance. You didn't pull the trigger. Pretty simple.

It pains me that I think for years to come the rest of the division is going to go "you all coulda had Sanchez but you traded for Cassel, idiots" and then make fun of us.

The same Orton that has us at 3-0. How's Cassell's team doing? Oh yeah...

we can also thank Dimitrioff for taking Ryan before we had a chance to pass on him :banghead:

Kansas City hates, HATES unproven Mojo. Just will not go there. Even if the mojo is clearly slapping them in the face saying, "TAKE ME! TAKE ME! I WILL MAKE YOU BETTER"!

Nope.

The Safety First sign still hangs above multiple office doors at One Arrowhead Drive.

we're Chiefs fans we already get made fun of enough anyways I'm used to it by now :doh!:

and we are always looking for the next great underdog story... hell Cassel fits that perfectly... shit Pioli is a genius he knew exactly what the fans wanted

Damn it Mecca I liked Sanchez also but what has Cassel done that has you so concerned?

I expect both Cassel and Tyson Jackson to play well for years to come. If they do, nobody's going to say shit even if Sanchez ends up the better QB of the two.

That sums it up we love the underdog or the great white hope, god forbid we have true greatness or a guy with swagger.

I hope you are right we need some shit to go our way for once

Bullshit, if Sanchez becomes a franchise caliber QB people will always say we ****ed it up. Nothing is worth a franchise QB not even a 3-4 end.

And it has nothing to with Cassel or me hating him, it's how I view what Sanchez will be.

Even if he's right, do you think the Colts would trade Peyton Manning for Matt Schaub and Mario Williams?

And that's being nice because Jackson will never be Williams and Schaub is probably the best Cassel can end up as.

Well considering your coach wanted him more then Cutler and Orton why don't you email him?

And again, if Cassel becomes a franchise QB, which I don't see any reason why he couldn't be, than nobody will say shit.

The Giants passed up on Philip Rivers, who ended up a much better QB than Eli. Think they're upset about that decision? You don't have to have the better QB. You just have to have the right QB for your team and I don't see why Cassel couldn't fit into a solid future plan.

well we are stuck with both of them so I do hope they reach their max.... but you're right you never ever pass on or trade a franchise QB if you don't have one

Stafford can throw on the run... he played behind a so-so offensive line all of last year. Watch that play today where he gets the PI in the endzone... he was running to his left and flung it about 60 yards like it was nothing. The ball just jumps out of his hand. You just gotta hope being a Lion doesn't ruin him.

All of the QB's from that year are top of the line, Eli is still developing and getting better.

Stafford has a really strong arm, he just needs refinement with the little things.

He might be good enough to not be ruined by being in Detroit....

I mean ****; how much more piss and frustration can this franchise heap upon the shoulders of it's fan base?

And though it has no bearing on the subject at hand, I'm still going to say it:

Sanchez looks like SHIT IN A ****ING JETS UNIFORM!!!!LMAO GREEN?! ****ING GREEN?!?!?

God damnit; that kid was born to wear the Red and Gold. And now, I got a skinny, Ryan Leaf look-a-like with a 200 yard crystal meth stare hopping around on his gimpy ****ing leg sportin' my colors.LMAO

dude Eli is a gamer.... his drive in the Super Bowl is all you need to see to realize why you need a franchise QB

I know alot of people don't like Eli, he isn't the stats monster that Rivers is or Roethlisberger but dude is clutch, he makes plays.

Those young WR's the Giants have are going to play with him for a long time, I think Eli's perception is only going to increase.

shit I'm still mad about taking DJ over Aaron Rodgers way back when,,,, this passing up on Sanchez is even worse.... both would look great in red

If we didn't have Cassell then sure, maybe draft Sanchez. We might not have had a chance though because then NY would have leapfrogged us because StL was trying hard as hell to trade out of 4.

Regardless, I'm not convinced after 3 weeks that Sanchez is better of the two. You can't judge ANY QB with this line because they would all stink.


One argument I'd like to make is that I was REALLY pulling hard for Rex Ryan. I do like Haley, but god I would to have loved to have him on the sideline. He's going to be a very very good HC for the Jets.

Matt Cassel does have a stoned stare now that I think about it.

If we had hired Eric DeCosta we'd probably have Ryan..Sanchez, Bart Scott...

Shit he isn't flashy but he wins and he comes through in tough situations.... look how he totally out classed Romo in Dallas last week

Well, considering you base your arguments on the Rumors page of WPI I'd say you don't know what you're talking about. But please do continue rambling on. Meanwhile there is a worthwhile conversation I'll be following here in this very thread.

He's one of the leaders in come from behind wins too...I think you're really seeing where he's at now with how well guys like Manningham look.

Eli is actually underrated.

Like I said, from a production standpoint, Brees and Rivers clobber Eli.

But for the Giants, they wouldn't want Brees or Rivers. You don't have to be the more productive QB to be "the guy." Cassel shouldn't have to prove he's better or worse than Sanchez. He just has to prove that he's the right guy for Kansas City. And we don't have any evidence that suggests he won't be.

If he ends up like Roethlisberger and throws 15-20 picks per year, but makes plays when he needs to, that's fine with me.

I think it comes down to that all the things you could be gloating about that the Broncos are better then the Chiefs, the qb position is the one thing you can't.

Well, I'll see y'all in Hell:

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Between the the bitch downs from Haley and the smack downs from the opposing D-Line who wouldn't have the ten mile stare. If I was him I would be so pissed at the line that the cameras would pan to Haley for more of a soft perspective.

I don't think Sanchez is ever going to be a stats monster either but the guy is a winner. That was the main reason I liked him he did all the little things right, he has the it factor.