I like what Haley did yesterday...
 

3 yards rushing in the 1st half? No, you are going to run the ****ing ball. You are not going to be allowed to drop back and watch your QB get killed because you can't run the ****ing ball. It is similar to making a hitter lay a bunt down with 2 strikes after he couldn't do it on strikes 1 and 2.

Fatlock can cry that Haley isn't treating them like men all he wants. He needs to stick to his doublestuffs. This team isn't going to compete for a playoff spot anyway so this is exactly the time to pull stunts like this. You want to win? You have to learn how to block. You have to learn how to run the ball. 3 ****ing yards in 1 half is pathetic and I don't blame Haley one bit for what he did.

It isn't like we had 30 yards in the 1st half..we had 3. Three. Unacceptable, PERIOD! Dropping back to pass would have resulted in Cassel being broken into pieces.

I don't know what game Fatlock and some others watched, but I saw one that showed me our O line was there in name only. Had we dropped back, which is exactly what Philly wanted, we would be cussing about the picks Cassel threw or the fact that Brokie would be the starter for the next several weeks cause of Cassel being hurt.

Yeah its gonna be a long season,but we all knew that already. I was watching yesterday and my 9 year old asked me......Dad are we gonna beat anybody this year.All I could say was yes son,Im sure we will play better......God I hope so.

I watched Cassell almost get his head chopped off multiple times. Our blocking was flat out terrible. We needed to establish some kind of a run.

I don't know why people expected anything other than what they are getting to this point. They are an untalented team with a rookie head coach. That's not a good combination.

Yeah, giving up on the game in third quarter, is exactly how we should have done it.

Ridiculous. I am not saying chuck the ball fifty yards downfield, but at LEAST call some three step drops... som boot legs....something.

Try to actually loosen up the defense to run the ball.

Ridiculous. Pathetic. Embarrassing.

With no more time then Cassel gets to throw before he has 9 defenders on his ass,we will not win if we can't run the ball.

"Sometimes your personnel dictates that you play the game a certain way." /Herm/

If that were Herm on the sideline yesterday, the reaction would be unbelievable. It's wasn't, so we justify it.

:spock:

What would have had us do?

i love this.. the oline pass blocking totaly sucks, yet we need to pass to loosen up a defense we could barely run on too?

LOL

What would who? Me?

Um...I'll start with, "Try."

If you're worried about getting Cassel killed, pull him and let Thigpen face the gladiators.

Even as bad as Herm was..... he wouldn't lie down in the third quarter like that.

Yeah.... it's called a three step drop. Haley is an offensive 'genious' I thought he would have known about this.

An NFL offense will not work with the O-line we have. It won't matter who we play. We can't run block or pass block. No to mention pick up a blitz.

Yeah, I'm not sure about that, really. Herm's, "You play to win the game" was a complete farce...

That said, I don't think he ever did anything like what we saw yesterday.

Uh, Thig was inactive.

If that was our response to the Philly defense, I'd expect the Giants staff to be on the phone this morning, making sure that we're not forfeiting this Sunday.

yup i agree completely

i agree with you pete

3rd string QB? Oops...look, Cassel is hurt.

For all intents and purposes, Haley waved the white flag, and talk about his "purpose" or whatever the **** he said rings about as meaningful to me as "the right 53."

really? wow. that's amazing.

I agree, and I agreed with Whitlock..... my main concern with Herm was, once we got the talent, would his decision making change at all?

The answer I ended up with was an emphatic NO. My biggest issue with Herm was that when he had the chance to win the game, he'd punt. He'd rather give the ball back to guys like Peyton f***ing Manning and Brett f***ing Favre in the last few minutes than even try to drive down the field.

I was in a wait-and-see mode for a while with Herm, and I'll do the same with Haley.... Hell, I tried to give Herm the benefit of the doubt after it took the Chiefs almost 3 quarters to get a first down against the Colts in the playoffs, so might as well give Haley more than 3 games.... :shrug:

What does this have to do with the fact that Thig was inactive yesterday? You said to throw him in...we played with 2 QB's yesterday. Thig was inactive.

I agree with all of this.

It's possible to think that Haley made a huge mistake yesterday without thinking the guy will be a failure as a HC. But I'm not going to ty to bullshit a positive out of yesterday, either.

Haley I am sure will be relieved to know there is a thing called a 3-step drop.

Bad topic. BAD!

If the square peg doesn't fit into the circle hole, you don't keep pounding the ****in' peg in the hole and yell at little Billy while he's doing it. Instead, you give him a fork and point him to the electrical socket.

I'm sure he was the emergency QB, in which case he could theoretically enter the game.

But I wouldn't have pulled Cassel, our 27, in-his-prime QB. I would have actually tried with our "franchise" QB at the helm.

Third QB is the emergency QB and is always inactive.

As I understand it, he was not dressed and not able to play. I could be wrong.

At least Herm was smart enough to let Gailey run with the pistol when he realized the offense was a complete mess.

Can the emergency QB play, pete? Yes or no? Is this possible?

And everyone cried that we were running the pistol and not a "real" offense.

ROFL

GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD, huh? Oops.

The whole basis of your argument is stupid to begin with. Put in our 3rd string QB to make some weak attempt at beating a team that is kicking the living shit out of us because we can't run for more than 3 yards a half.

The whining was misplaced as it put the team in the best position to attempt to win.

You've distorted my point. And this wasn't the whole basis of my argument.

My claim was this: try.

And I've said, repeatedly and in this very thread, that I wouldn't have pulled Cassel. However, HOWEVER, if you're that worried about him getting killed, which shouldn't be a concern, put in someone else.

Croyle, Thigpen, whoever. This was an ancillary point, not the basis of anything.

Try. I expect the coach to try.

But it does affect the credibility of your other arguments, when you have no idea that the third QB is usually inactive and is considered the emergency QB.... and is available upon the injury of the starting QB.

When he comes in though, it means that the starter cannot come back in the game.

I agree. I argued it helped our O-line just as much if not more than Thiggy. Of course the resident experts said that was wrong.

Thigpen was inactive, as in he couldn't play. How can you not understand that?

Try for what? What were trying for?

Are you kidding me?

Let's forfeit this weekend. I see no other choice.

Exactly.... and like you alluded to before, when Herm did the same conservative stuff, some people hated it, and other people said "what do you want him to do, throw 40 yards down field every play and kill the QB?"... then I would reply "no, stupid, but something to get the 14 guys out of the box would be nice".

Maybe I want to like Haley a lot more than I want to like Herm, but come on...

Whitlock is right... next week, let's come up with a gameplan that resembles trying to win. We aren't a DI-AA team that's just happy to be on the big stage.

I get it, we should get our QB's killed to satisfy an urge that would ultimately lead us to no where anyway.


We couldn't block, PERIOD.

"With him doing what he did, I think he did lose a lot of confidence from the players."

"Players are like, 'What are you doing?'"

"It was mind boggling."

"It's killing the guys in the locker room."

Eddie Kennison on 810 talking about the play calling in the second half.

When you're down by a couple scores in the second half, in our case it was more. You have to throw the football and move the chains. Not run it 3rd n long and let the clock continue to run down. You need points. We weren't running anywhere to begin with. They were stopping LJ before he made it back to the LOS. What good is running the ball then giving Philly the ball back when we punt.

I understand we don't have any talent on the Oline except on the left side, and they've even been suspect this season so far. The Oline obviously limits what the offense can do. I undstand that and Haley knows that and commented on it in the presser. Having that said the way we approached the game in the 2nd half is NOT acceptable. We'd all be calling for Herm's head had he done that. But it's ok for Haley to do it?

Then maybe they should learn how to block?

If you're worried about getting Cassel hurt, if that was the sole motivator, put someone else in.

Forfeit this Sunday, however, for sure.

Maybe the Executive of the Century should acquire the necessary talent on the o-line, which he could have vastly improved this off-season.

The way we were blocking, or lack thereof, we didn't have enough someone's to put in.

Do you think we should even attempt a pass this Sunday? Because the Giants pass rush is even better.

What should we do?

I hope it's not a problem until it becomes a trend :fingerscrossed:

Is Marv Levy available? Break-out the Wing-T offense

Well let us wait and see if the O-line figured anything out, Mr, Dramatic. Othwerise, if we still can't block, dropping back to get sacked and fumble is not a good strategy, imo.

Now we're getting sacked AND fumbling, in addition to getting our QBs KILLED? We didn't even have enough on the roster to try to drop back to pass?

And I'm being dramatic?!? Ok. lol.

As with all things, I have an opinion, and my opinion is that Haley gave up.

With that said, I wonder if Haley did it to prove a point. I liked Haley going into the Oakland game, but over the last two weeks, Haley has had two of the worst back to back coaching performances in the history of the Chiefs.

If Haley pulls this again then we proably have something to bitch about. But I am all for him sending this team a message. That was some of the worst O-Line play I have seen in a long time.

What did he do that was so bad against Oakland? Did he make Cassel throw 2 pics? Did he make two guys jump on the QB and draw a personal foul?

What was the message, exactly? I'm tired of seeing you fail at pass blocking, so let's see some more fail at run blocking?

A message of "toughness", which is a bigger load of shit than saying that Herm "played to win the game"?

The only message that was sent was that he didn't have any faith in his players, and that's a dangerous thing for a coach to implicitly say.

Yes, cause the players we have are stellar and we don't want to piss them off.

On one hand you people are crying cause Ndukwe is on the team and on the other you are crying cause he wasn't treated like a pro-bowler.

You're making a huge leap.

Like a Pro-Bowler, please? In any sport, there has to be mutual trust between player and coach, and there is a distinct possibility that Haley fractured that trust yesterday.

Repairable? Probably, but not if things continue in this light.

I will agree it cannot continue. But having sad that I don't see this as much of an issue as some of you. In fact I think it is encouraging. Liken it to the platoon who lost their weekend pass cause 1 or 2 guys ****ed it up for everyone. But I will agree it cannot be a weekly ordeal.

It was a message to the team, in my opinion.

Football is really a pretty simple game. The "bigs" execute their blocking assignments and the RBs take the ball where "they ain't". And, if an NFL offense can't run, they can't do much of anything else, either.

I counted 18 yards rushing in the first half. But, either way, it was a pitiable performance by the o-line and the RBs. Just terrible. I think Haley said, "Screw this. We're going to run the football until these guys figure it out."

I can think of several head coaches who might be fired on the spot after pulling a stunt like that. It was a bold decision. Crazy as hell, but bold. A real challenge to the fans, too. It demonstrates to me that he and Pioli care more about the long-term success of this franchise than most people realize. But, I imagine that the offense realizes it. They do now, anyway.

FAX

This place would be a lot more fun if McNabb and Westbrook played.

That is the one thing that I had thought of that excused this playcalling. I just don't know if that is my 'rationalization' or the reality.

We will see as things go along.

I am really dissapointed to see the mental mistakes over the last two weeks. And, frankly, Haley deserves more credit for the loss against Oakland than any player on the team.

Again, why is the loss to Oakland on Haley and not the players?

Why can't they care about the long-term success and try to win regular season games at the same time?

I don't mind playing for the future, but I don't want them demonstrating to the team that it's OK to bend over and drop your pants and take it when it's obvious we're not going to win. That's a defeatist attitude, despite whatever message you're sending.

So when I say it was a message to the team, you say it was "giving up in the 3rd." When Fax says it was a message to the team you are in agreement. :doh!:

I don't think that was the message. He for sure didn't tell them it was ok to bend over and take it cause we were losing. If anything he said, we are losing but your asses are going to keep running the ****ing ball until you figure it out.

And they never figured it out.

Effective message.

Yesterday was an embarrassment from a coaching standpoint.

That is your opinion. And I am shocked that inside of 3 plays or so they didn't figure it out. Which arguably I would disagree to a point since we did have some good runs, save the penalties that ruined them.

Deez, shut the **** up.

God damn.

LMAO.

Go away, then.

But let's not champion this bullshit.

And they took in the can...

Yes cause your bullshit is so much more worthy. :shake:

The game was over after the 64 yard slant for a TD we gave up right after scoring a TD.

And what bullshit would that be? Not praising or endorsing waving the white flag in the second half? Not looking for a make-believe message?

Wasn't the score 21-7 at that time?

Ignoring the decision to lay down in the fetal position, I still think Haley did a piss poor job coaching in this game. If he's an offensive guru, then surely he knows how to call plays that expose an aggressive front 7. Max protect and force the eagles' shitty secondary to make a play? Screens?

And wasn't it Haley that wanted the entire team to weigh in at 165 lbs soaking wet? If you're going to ask your O-line to be built like the Broncos, don't turn around and expect them to block like the hogs.

There's no question this O-line is horrible. But for the coaching staff to choose to concede rather than put their collective genius together to maximize their results screams failure.

Easily the most disappointing Chiefs game I've watched in a very long time.

So the message was keep doing what isn't working?

Square peg, round hole. No better than the last coach....

Yea, cause passing was the answer....you're right. We had stellar pass protection.