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MahiMike 09-28-2009 06:45 PM

It's All LJ's Fault!!!
 
No joke. I just finished watching the game again. I swear LJ has the entire offense moving in 1st gear. Sure, there are many times the OL doesn't hold a block more than 2 seconds, but FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD! LJ puts his head down and looks for a spot to lay down. Many times a quicker back could bounce it outside. Other times there's a quick opening and LJ stands there and waits for it to close before starting his run. On the few plays Charles was in, immediately he gained 15 yards. Albert was guilty of holding AFTER he was already thru the hole! That's because Albert's timing is off due to LJ's slow ass!

I petitioned for LJ to sit last week and now I'm confident that he truly is our biggest liability. Just like Thigpen was able to run around the line last year, we need a RB that can do the same.:cuss:

Weak OL + slow RB with no vision = disaster.

teedubya 09-28-2009 06:46 PM

you watched the game again?

You, sir are a ****ing glutton for punishment.

Bane 09-28-2009 06:46 PM

We never should have drafted LJ to scare Priest into camp in the first place.

kcpasco 09-28-2009 06:47 PM

I've been a big critic of LJ lately, but I'm not putting these last 2 weeks on him.

Bane 09-28-2009 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs (Post 6121020)
you watched the game again?

You, sir are a ****ing glutton for punishment.

Thats like wrapping yourself in barbed wire and jumping off a cliff!!!!ROFL

DeezNutz 09-28-2009 06:47 PM

I've criticized LJ as harshly as anyone, but how you 1. revisit that game period and then 2. come away with the thread title is pretty ****ing amazing.

KCrockaholic 09-28-2009 06:49 PM

Charles and Battle/Savage should be the starters IMO. I hate to say it, but LJ is done. He doesnt care anymore.

BigRedChief 09-28-2009 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 6121017)
No joke. I just finished watching the game again.

You deserve a
http://www.antiquetrader.com/upload/...l_of_Honor.JPG

MahiMike 09-28-2009 06:52 PM

Well, I dunno. I have the NFL rewind and I gotta do something with it. But I'm totally serious. LJ is running right up the asses of the OL regardless if there's a hole or not. We MUST put someone in that can bounce it outside or at least keep their head up to look for a hole.

Hammock Parties 09-28-2009 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 6121017)
I petitioned for LJ to sit last week and now I'm confident that he truly is our biggest liability.

You're reeruned.

When LJ actually gets a decent hole he is through it for a positive gain. There's nothing he can do with two guys in his face right after he gets the handoff.

I looked at the game a little last night and for the most part he made the most of what he had. There were a couple plays where he missed a hole, but only a couple. And he had a very nice cutback ran for a 14-yard gain where he made a guy miss.

Charles usually has a lot more space to work with due to the fact he is getting the ball in passing situations on draws. He did have one little run where he made a couple guys miss in the backfield. His called back TD run was also impressive.

But you are painting a picture that LJ is some huge problem and Charles is the answer, and it is not true.

Fer crissakes, I saw LJ take a pitch yesterday, had a nice lane opening up on the right side and was headed through it. But Niswanger blew a block on a linebacker so horribly at the line that the LB just sped through it and ran into LJ right after he got the pitch.

He has no chance when crap like that happens. And it has happened twice in three games now. Niswanger couldn't block Ray Lewis on a similar play.

I'm not going to say LJ is perfect but when he gets a hole he is fine. There are a lot of good running backs around the league struggling right now. LJ is no different.

Brock 09-28-2009 07:23 PM

Dumbest fans in the NFL.

whoman69 09-28-2009 07:23 PM

This was a team effort and the team sucks. This organization was left in a horrible hole from the Herm/CP days and its going to take some time to sort out. I think we should have looked more into solving our offensive line problems. That is our biggest problem. They can't run block or pass block, but they have collecting their paychecks down pat.

soundmind 09-28-2009 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 6121017)
No joke. I just finished watching the game again. I swear LJ has the entire offense moving in 1st gear. Sure, there are many times the OL doesn't hold a block more than 2 seconds, but FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD! LJ puts his head down and looks for a spot to lay down. Many times a quicker back could bounce it outside. Other times there's a quick opening and LJ stands there and waits for it to close before starting his run. On the few plays Charles was in, immediately he gained 15 yards. Albert was guilty of holding AFTER he was already thru the hole! That's because Albert's timing is off due to LJ's slow ass!

I petitioned for LJ to sit last week and now I'm confident that he truly is our biggest liability. Just like Thigpen was able to run around the line last year, we need a RB that can do the same.:cuss:

Weak OL + slow RB with no vision = disaster.

I was screaming at the television for this very reason. I don't know how many times I called "unplanned draw play by Johnson". That bastard was so slow to the line...I mean, it really was remarkable. All that said, I don't think he necessarily costs us that one, a severe talent deficit and cohesion problem that ran across the whole damn board cost us that game.

I'm certainly not suggesting the line did anything to stop that omnipresent, blitz showcase that was going on, but he was skirting around the backfield the second he had the ball. Larry's only benefit I see at this point is his size, and if he's not going to use it.....hasta luego amigo, happy trails to you. Give someone the ball who's gonna try damnit, I still don't know how he got a spot on this roster...

Molitoth 09-28-2009 07:30 PM

I agree that we need a RB with the ability to quickly bounce outside, but it's not LJ's fault that the line cannot open a hole for anyone with his type of running style.

pr_capone 09-28-2009 07:31 PM

LJ spends more time on his back than a hooker on Valentine's Day.

He stops moving the second contact is made. I've never seen a RB as quick to lay down after contact as LJ is.

Its all well and good that LJ needs a hole made by the line but a faster and more agile RB is what the team needs. I will go as far as to say that if LJ stopped looking to avoid contact and instead put his shoulder down and mowed over a few defenders... there would not be talk about how he does not care and needs to be replaced.

I believe LJ is still a starting RB in this league... just not on this team.

Hammock Parties 09-28-2009 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 6121259)
He stops moving the second contact is made.

This is absolutely not true.

MahiMike 09-28-2009 07:36 PM

Just watch it - especially in the 1st half when we're trying to get something going. A quicker, more -decisive back would have had 3 times as many yards as LJ. I don't expect GoChiefs to agree with any of this. Hell, he was typing his response before he even read the post.

All it takes to see a difference is when Savage or Charles are in. Granted, our OL sucks. All the more reason to go a different direction/change of pace.

Hammock Parties 09-28-2009 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 6121301)
Just watch it - especially in the 1st half when we're trying to get something going. A quicker, more -decisive back would have had 3 times as many yards as LJ.

So, nine yards instead of three.

Woo.

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All it takes to see a difference is when Savage or Charles are in. Granted, our OL sucks.
You really don't get it. When Charles gets the majority of his handoffs, they come in passing situations. He has a ton of space to work with. There is no comparison. None.

MahiMike 09-28-2009 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6121310)
So, nine yards instead of three.

Woo.

You really don't get it. When Charles gets the majority of his handoffs, they come in passing situations. He has a ton of space to work with. There is no comparison. None.

Bullshit. The 15 yarder was a run around the end. And just because that's the current setup doesn't mean it'll stay that way. Not with this coach.

pr_capone 09-28-2009 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6121275)
This is absolutely not true.

I wish I had not deleted the game off my DVR now.

I have seen LJ hit the line and immediately curl into a ball more times these past 3 weeks than I can recall watching ANY rb over the course of an entire season.

Unless he has a hole 4 feet wide, 95% of the time he makes ZERO effort to move the ball up field and instead tips over on to his back.

His feet stop moving.

*cue the insults

Skip Towne 09-28-2009 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6121178)
You're reeruned.

When LJ actually gets a decent hole he is through it for a positive gain. There's nothing he can do with two guys in his face right after he gets the handoff.

I looked at the game a little last night and for the most part he made the most of what he had. There were a couple plays where he missed a hole, but only a couple. And he had a very nice cutback ran for a 14-yard gain where he made a guy miss.

Charles usually has a lot more space to work with due to the fact he is getting the ball in passing situations on draws. He did have one little run where he made a couple guys miss in the backfield. His called back TD run was also impressive.

But you are painting a picture that LJ is some huge problem and Charles is the answer, and it is not true.

Fer crissakes, I saw LJ take a pitch yesterday, had a nice lane opening up on the right side and was headed through it. But Niswanger blew a block on a linebacker so horribly at the line that the LB just sped through it and ran into LJ right after he got the pitch.

He has no chance when crap like that happens. And it has happened twice in three games now. Niswanger couldn't block Ray Lewis on a similar play.

I'm not going to say LJ is perfect but when he gets a hole he is fine. There are a lot of good running backs around the league struggling right now. LJ is no different.

Give it up. He is done.

Hammock Parties 09-28-2009 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 6121380)
Give it up. He is done.

I know what I see, Skip.

This running back is not done.

http://i38.tinypic.com/2e5umad.gif

TheGuardian 09-28-2009 08:04 PM

Anyone saying LJ is done is an idiot. The guy is getting hit in the backfield on about half the plays he gets the ball. His quickness to the hole is fine and he still breaks plenty of tackles. The problem is the line simply is not even allow LJ to get to the first level to find a seam, much less the second level. When a back is getting tackled for a 6 yard loss and he's not Barry sanders that's the lines fault.

DaneMcCloud 09-28-2009 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6121197)
Dumbest fans in the NFL.

Hands down.

And this guy, MahiMike, was telling us all how the Chiefs were going to beat the Eagles all last week.

Hammock Parties 09-28-2009 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6121448)
Anyone saying LJ is done is an idiot. The guy is getting hit in the backfield on about half the plays he gets the ball. His quickness to the hole is fine and he still breaks plenty of tackles. The problem is the line simply is not even allow LJ to get to the first level to find a seam, much less the second level. When a back is getting tackled for a 6 yard loss and he's not Barry sanders that's the lines fault.

Fun fact: LJ has been thrown for a six-yard loss EVERY WEEK.

bowener 09-28-2009 08:12 PM

It is LJs FAULT!!!11!

When I watched the game that sack of shit never blocked once on any of the ****ing running plays! What a ****ing cancer! Go half-ass it in Zona, bitch. /idontknowwhatsgoingonanymore

4th and Long 09-28-2009 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6121032)
I've criticized LJ as harshly as anyone, but how you 1. revisit that game period and then 2. come away with the thread title is pretty ****ing amazing.

No shit.

Dear thread starter,

Kill yourself.

Sorry if repost.

MahiMike 09-28-2009 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6121449)
Hands down.

And this guy, MahiMike, was telling us all how the Chiefs were going to beat the Eagles all last week.

You didn't think I bet any $ on the game did you? With a real RB in the backfield and Bowe playing, that game is much closer. I was hoping Haley would see tjhe light and bench LJ.

Hammock Parties 09-28-2009 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 6121763)
With a real RB in the backfield and Bowe playing, that game is much closer.

You are freaking nuts.

DaneMcCloud 09-28-2009 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 6121763)
You didn't think I bet any $ on the game did you? With a real RB in the backfield and Bowe playing, that game is much closer. I was hoping Haley would see tjhe light and bench LJ.

No, it's not.

This isn't 1992.

It's 2009.

If the Chiefs win a single game this year, I'll be pleased as punch.

But it won't be against an NFC East juggernaut.

MahiMike 09-28-2009 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4th and Long (Post 6121762)
No shit.

Dear thread starter,

Kill yourself.

Sorry if repost.

Be so bold as to watch the 1st half again. Once we hand off to LJ, the tone is set for mediocrity. Even the play GoChiefs refers to where the LB cuts thru the line, a faster back is thru the hole before the defender is there.

There's a reason this team sucks and his name is LJ.

RedThat 09-28-2009 09:25 PM

I believe LJ is part of the problem.

I think he is done. But I also have to say it doesn't help your running game when you have a sh*t offensive line that doesn't open up holes for you.

But the fact is, LJ plays slower then game speed. He doesn't accelerate through gaps, holes quick enough. I think he lacks vision and fortitude as well.

Hammock Parties 09-28-2009 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 6121776)
Even the play GoChiefs refers to where the LB cuts thru the line, a faster back is thru the hole before the defender is there.

Bullshit. Niswanger is supposed to block his man. LJ has barely taken the pitch and a couple steps before the LB is already on him. ****ing shitty ass blocking. Deion Sanders couldn't escape that LB.

http://i35.tinypic.com/mhfrmb.jpg

4th and Long 09-28-2009 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 6121776)
Be so bold as to watch the 1st half again. Once we hand off to LJ, the tone is set for mediocrity. Even the play GoChiefs refers to where the LB cuts thru the line, a faster back is thru the hole before the defender is there.

There's a reason this team sucks and his name is LJ.

No need to watch it again. I have seen enough of the ineptitude of the offensive line, live on national television. To blame Johnson for setting the tone is, in a word, absurd.

jaa1025 09-28-2009 10:02 PM

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Read this then rewatch the game. LJ had the fumble but when he does get a hole he hits it.

bowener 09-28-2009 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6121802)
Bullshit. Niswanger is supposed to block his man. LJ has barely taken the pitch and a couple steps before the LB is already on him. ****ing shitty ass blocking. Deion Sanders couldn't escape that LB.

http://i35.tinypic.com/mhfrmb.jpg

Jesus ****ing Christ!
Our OL looks just like Amy Winehouse's snatch! Red and Green with a giant ****ing hole right in the middle.

On a more serious note, if Niswanger doesn't **** everything up, they held up pretty good on the right side with a hole forming and a tackle still pulling looking for a head to smash...

Chieftain58 09-28-2009 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6121178)
You're reeruned.

When LJ actually gets a decent hole he is through it for a positive gain. There's nothing he can do with two guys in his face right after he gets the handoff.

I looked at the game a little last night and for the most part he made the most of what he had. There were a couple plays where he missed a hole, but only a couple. And he had a very nice cutback ran for a 14-yard gain where he made a guy miss.

Charles usually has a lot more space to work with due to the fact he is getting the ball in passing situations on draws. He did have one little run where he made a couple guys miss in the backfield. His called back TD run was also impressive.

But you are painting a picture that LJ is some huge problem and Charles is the answer, and it is not true.

Fer crissakes, I saw LJ take a pitch yesterday, had a nice lane opening up on the right side and was headed through it. But Niswanger blew a block on a linebacker so horribly at the line that the LB just sped through it and ran into LJ right after he got the pitch.

He has no chance when crap like that happens. And it has happened twice in three games now. Niswanger couldn't block Ray Lewis on a similar play.

I'm not going to say LJ is perfect but when he gets a hole he is fine. There are a lot of good running backs around the league struggling right now. LJ is no different.

GoChiefs your incredible! Do you have turrets?... why are you so in love with LJ!

CoMoChief 09-28-2009 10:56 PM

Give him an Oline that can block for him so all of you will shut the **** up.

Hammock Parties 09-28-2009 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 6121943)
Jesus ****ing Christ!
Our OL looks just like Amy Winehouse's snatch! Red and Green with a giant ****ing hole right in the middle.

On a more serious note, if Niswanger doesn't **** everything up, they held up pretty good on the right side with a hole forming and a tackle still pulling looking for a head to smash...

The sad thing about that play is if one block gets made, if Niswanger holds the linebacker up for a second, LJ has Goff pulling to take out the DB, and he's into the secondary for a good gain.

bowener 09-29-2009 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6122111)
The sad thing about that play is if one block gets made, if Niswanger holds the linebacker up for a second, LJ has Goff pulling to take out the DB, and he's into the secondary for a good gain.

Yep. Its all there in Red and White.

chiefzilla1501 09-29-2009 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6122111)
The sad thing about that play is if one block gets made, if Niswanger holds the linebacker up for a second, LJ has Goff pulling to take out the DB, and he's into the secondary for a good gain.

Sadly, at both the QB and RB position, that's been the case on most plays.

What's ridiculous isn't that our o-line is outmatched. Because they are. It's that our linemen keep blowing up assignments letting defenders get into the backfield full speed untouched.

It's almost like waving a cape in front of a charging bull.

Gary 09-29-2009 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 6121017)
No joke. I just finished watching the game again. I swear LJ has the entire offense moving in 1st gear. Sure, there are many times the OL doesn't hold a block more than 2 seconds, but FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD! LJ puts his head down and looks for a spot to lay down. Many times a quicker back could bounce it outside. Other times there's a quick opening and LJ stands there and waits for it to close before starting his run. On the few plays Charles was in, immediately he gained 15 yards. Albert was guilty of holding AFTER he was already thru the hole! That's because Albert's timing is off due to LJ's slow ass!

I petitioned for LJ to sit last week and now I'm confident that he truly is our biggest liability. Just like Thigpen was able to run around the line last year, we need a RB that can do the same.:cuss:

Weak OL + slow RB with no vision = disaster.

Not to mention the son of a bitch tried to break in to soundmind's apartment.

EyePod 09-29-2009 06:08 AM

I agree kinda... it's like the Cardinals using Edge the past few years, he just doesn't work for our line. He'd be a beast behind a good one though...

Demonpenz 09-29-2009 07:49 AM

LJ needs a hole, even when he was "fast" he needed that hole. Do you guys remember the first couple times he came in after blaylock and priest were done? I remember a draw play or something where they threw him a bone back in 04-05 people were bitch then he was slow. He is probably pretty good still if we could get ****ers off the line and block for him

MahiMike 10-05-2009 06:39 PM

LJ must've seen this thread last week. He ran exceptionally hard yesterday. Line worked better too. Still can't pass block for shit but I'm guessing his little "ego" comments will get him the goal line touches next week. I might even pick him up on my fantasy team (half the league has picked him up and dropped him). Only avid Chiefs fans know that the easier part of the schedule is coming up.

Psyko Tek 10-05-2009 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6121041)
Charles and Battle/Savage should be the starters IMO. I hate to say it, but LJ is done. He doesnt care anymore.

he should have been cut before his guaarneeted money kicked in
now WTF does he care
he's getting paid

and there are mor Kaardasian sisters to hit on

Hammock Parties 10-05-2009 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 6142599)
Only avid Chiefs fans know that the easier part of the schedule is coming up.

Like I posted in the LJ v LT thread, the weak part of the schedule, run-defense-wise, is about to hit.

Our line is coming together and LJ is running hard. He's going to explode.

**** this ****ing thread ****ers.

Mr. Laz 10-05-2009 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6121197)
Dumbest fans in the NFL.

aww ... don't talk about yourself like that. Have pride, keep your chin up.


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